Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

Then don't. No one is asking you to.

But I am entitled to think and say whatever I like.

Sorry about that.

'Entitled'? Sounds like some sort of special status...You've not have you Hettie?

We're all entitled, Capsium. Why should I be any different?

There are consequences though....

Like?

On a forum, people say stuff back to you, which you may not like. If you break the rules of the forum your post may get deleted or you may be banned.

In real life the words you say can cause good or harm, you can be encouraging or discouraging, your words can cause peace or conflict...

Hettie - I think some of what you and others have written is basically asking Capsium to justify herself and her beliefs and the rest of us too.

You can think and say whatever you like, of course you can. However I feel that is is rather telling that on two threads now you and others have been rather rude towards people that don't share your view. Your posts are highly judgemental.

As far as I can tell none of the people that do believe in cosmic ordering have been abusive or rude or implied that someones brain has turned to mush on this thread or the other.

It seems that some people can not have a discussion without resorting to insults which is sad.

The OP asked if anyone had used cosmic ordering NOT whether people believe in it or not. After the first thread was derailed she tried again here. You are totally entitled to write whatever and whenever you want. However I am not sure why you can't just let people have a thread on this without writing a post about how it is rubbish etc.

I strongly disagree with controlled crying but I don't feel the need to go on threads about it and post about how I don't agree with it.

We are doing no harm discussing it on here. You and others have made it very difficult for us to have a positive discussion on cosmic ordering twice now. I don't think that is very fair and in my opinion is bad form.

If I do write a post on this again thread or subject again I for one will not be engaging in conversation/discussions with you or some of the other people that have written such negative posts towards other people. Hopefully this way we may actually be able to have a discussion without insults.

Capsium - I think your posts have been very interesting and you haven't felt the need to resort to insulting words. Good for you!

None of us have to justify who we are or what we believe in to anyone - let alone people on a forum.

That is a little bit true, Colin. I don't think Cap has to justify her faith to me as such, and I dont feel entitled to be personally abusive of her.

But if she says that prayer can cure genetic disability, she does have to justify that statement, and I am entitled to point out that she has in fact not read the research she was quoting, and it does not even remotely support her statement. Because as she says herself, what we say matters. It is harmful to say that prayer can replace medicine or offer hope in the case of real disability. You can hope to feel less unhappy, of course, if you find faith- and it's fair enough to promise that hope. But you can't promise hope of a cure. That is irresponsible and actually quite cruel.

I did not say that Beast that prayer can replace medicine in all cases. I believe Faith can offer hope though. It was hope that I was talking of.

Colin - Cap is required to justify nothing. She knows me and chooses to engage, and vice versa. She could ignore me, I'd survive.

She has not been justifying her faith on this thread, she has been making wrong statements about science.

She's been corrected. Although I know it will go in one ear and out the other and in a week we'll be discussing the same things again.

And if you think her posts are interesting then you know as little about science as she does.

Capsium - people can say whatever they like to me. I don't much care and can give as good as I get.

I am quite protective of my own hope, I do admit. It is vital to me. Has been vital to me through a number of life experiences. I often feel quite defensive when others try to dismiss it. However it is not my aim to be cruel.

The mush thing was meant to be a sort of joke, though, Cap. A way of saying that your religious bias is making it difficult for you to properly understand the science you try to talk about.

I was actually being nice, kinda. I think you are better than the rubbish (which it is, sorry) you come out with.

But if it hurt you, I'm sorry. I didn't intend that.

Beast - She is entitled to her own views though. I don't think she has actually written that prayer can replace medicine. It is perfectly possible to try things alongside allopathic medicine.

To me the question of whether prayer can help people in this way is a subject in itself. It has been debated by many people and people will never agree on it - ever.

However the OP asked who had used cosmic ordering.

I have also noticed that some people seem to think that if one believes in cosmic ordering then you automatically believe that you can order anything you want. It is possible to believe in it but have your own individual take on things - I for example don't believe I can order anything I like but I do think it helps focus my energy on reaching my goals.

I used to be a Catholic but I never ever believed that contraception was a problem or that women shouldn't be priests or that homosexual people shouldn't get married. Did that mean I wasn't a Catholic? maybe some would say I wasn't. Life isn't simple and isn't black and white. I do believe in the law of attraction to an extent however I have never written down a shopping list of things I want. If I have ever made a request- and it is usually related to my business as a therapist - I ask that it be for the highest good of all that are concerned.

Some of the posters seem to think that we are all the same - selfishly asking for material things. This isn't the case and I do wish people would stop generalising and making sweeping statements.

Cap I didn't suggest that you said that prayer can replace medicine in all cases. You said it could do it sometimes, and you also said that prayer could change people's genetics. Then you quoted research to support this.

Prayer can never replace medicine. That research doesn't support your assertion at all. But someone with less scientific knowledge could be vulnerable to believing you.

You do need to be more responsible than this, really you do.

Colin upthread we had an interesting discussion about CO and whether it increases luck by making people more positive and more prepared to take up opportunities. Do go back and have a mosey if you haven't done yet. I think that is where the potential for CO lies.

Cap's statements on prayer affecting genetics were pretty clear and, as I think she now realises, incorrect. What worries me is the way in which people make these sweeping assertions and are not really bothered if they are wrong, because they can do real harm.

Hettie I just think of this if I start to feel offended.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=6lg51dzWHJE

So don't worry I bounce back. I'm northern and well used to banter.

However I do care about offending and try not to.

Hettie - so you are now assuming that you know how much I know about science? Wow! I would call you psychic except you probably don't believe in them.

I said what she had written was interesting - is that the same as saying I agreed with her? No I didn't say that. I haven't commented on how much I agree or don't agree. It is certainly possible to find something interesting and not agree with everything that has been said.

I love a good debate but I do find it sad when people feel the need to resort to insults or implications on what type of person the poster is. Some of the discussion on here has been alot better than on the previous thread however surely it is possible to have an intelligent discussion without writing that something is rubbish or silly or implying that religion turns peoples brains into mush. That is just rude!

"Beast - She is entitled to her own views though."

Of course she is. But she isn't entitled to her own facts. If you state things as fact, you should be ready to provide evidence. And she didn't.

As as for Cosmic Ordering, I have repeatedly said that if what we are talking about is thinking positively, not allowing our own negative thoughts to block us, having the courage to seize opportunities, then i'm all for it. But it does seem to also mean that you think you can influence the National Lottery balls, or ask for and get a green IPhone 5. Which seems a bit problematic and surely should be up for discussion?

Brain plasticity is an interesting subject Burden, I still believe nothing is a forgone conclusion, even if on the face of it unlikely.

Oh and a proviso with what I say, should have my own small print really, I do not believe a person can really know, only believe.

So everything I talk about concerns my belief.

Beast - yes fair enough I would also hate for anyone to feel offended or upset by any of this discussion. However I don't think for a minute that anyone was meaning any offence and Capsium sounds very caring. It is surely ok to discuss this here though seeing as it is a philosophy sub-forum.

Yes I know where the discussion came from. I wrote myself earlier on in the thread about how cosmic ordering and vision boards help me to remain focussed and positive. For me that is the main point about what it is all about. I don't think I can magically conjur up whatever I want. I don't think life works like that. However if others do believe that then that is there own opinion.

I have suffered with clinical depression many times. I would never profess to have felt the kind of pain that parents feel when their child dies but I have suffered significant emotional pain. I couldn't have cosmically ordered mental wellness at those times. I was just too unwell and I needed medication. However when I am well - like now - things like cosmic ordering, affirmations and positive thinking do help me. I believe they can't stop me from becoming depressed again but I do feel that they have made me more emotionally resilient and maybe I can prevent myself from going downhill some of the time. In my job I help people alongside medical help - I would never suggest to them that my therapies can cure them or that they can stop medication.
That to me is how cosmic ordering fits into my life.

Martorana - well I do agree with you on one point - I don't believe one can cosmically order a lottery win.

If I ever ask the universe to help me gain more clients for example I always ask that it be for the highest good for all concerned. I would like to think that my clients gain benefit from coming to see me so I don't feel it is wrong to do that. We are not all busy writing a list of material things that we want to order.

What is the difference between asking to win the lottery and asking for more clients?

Can one CO to have something bad to happen. Could I do CO to try to get myself to get stabbed somehow? I am so confident that there is no evidence for CO, that I am willing to do it.

Can someone send advice as to how I do CO to "request" (is that the right word?) this event please.

Interstingly I did spend a lot of time in my last universiy course studying research into complementary therapies of which there is some.

I did my dissertation on a study on the effect distant healing on people with Advanced AIDS. This was just one piece of research but it did show improvement in the group that had received distant healing. I think distant healing is similar to prayer. The people involved still had medical treatment as normal but the control group (they didn't know whether they were receiving distant healing or not) did statistically do less well then the people that had receive distant healing. I would never suggest that anyone try prayer/distant healing etc over allopathic medicine however I do feel there is alot we don't know about these things.

Albert Einstein had some very interesting beliefs and theories on energy.