Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

Why do you have faith in Yahweh rather than Allah, Capsium?

Just because I do Hettie.

No - it's not just because you do. Why do you have faith in Yahweh rather than Allah? There must be a reason.

My beliefs concerning Christ line up with Christianity.

Where do your beliefs come from?

The true ones come from Holy Ghost, the rest are my own.

Right - so one of the reasons you believe in Yahweh rather than Allah is because of your communication with the Holy Ghost?

Hettie That is my belief.

So, bottom line here is that you have reasons to believe not only that God is real, but the Bible is his word and that he is Yahweh. You haven't plucked your beliefs out of thin air....you have reasons, whether someone like me would consider them good reasons or not.

Is that fair?

Sounds fair so far...but I am suspicious because you seem like you are leading up to some sort of 'Big Reveal'.

Moi? As if.....

No. I'm trying to highlight something for you. Hold on a sec....

Ahem, my lunch is going cold here.....Mighty good it looks too.

Sorry, Cap. Eat your lunch. Bastarding boss wants me. I'll be back in a bit.

Give him my love..

Right.......

In all our conversations you have continually talked about faith vs evidence. You don't need evidence, you have faith. Faith is important because not everything is about evidence. And so on and so forth.....

Well, I have just shown you that not even you believe that. You've admitted that you feel you have reasons for your belief and those reasons are based on the evidence of your communications with the Holy Ghost and the Bible.

Everybody, absolutely everybody has a reason for the things they believe, and those reasons are based on evidence.

So, your assertion that not everything in life is evidence based is wrong. Everything is.....even your faith. The alternative is that you'd simply pluck your beliefs out of nowhere, and nobody does that ever. Not even very unwell people who believe they are Napoleon have plucked that belief out of thin air....something in their brain is leading them to believe that and giving them a reason.

Is the Bible evidence that god exists? In and of itself, yes. It supports the assertion that God exists, so it's evidence. Is it good evidence? No - it's terrible because it's contradicted by an enormous wealth of other evidence.

So, please.....next time we try to explain to you the importance of evidence when it comes to absolutely everything, can you try to understand what we mean by that and why we say it? Even your faith wouldn't exist without the evidence you believe supports it.

The issue, of course, is the reliability and validity of this evidence and whether it stands up in the face of other evidence. I would say it doesn't, of course.

Oh is that all Hettie. When I talk of evidence I am speaking of the type of evidence about, that scientifically would be deemed valid.

Of course I have reasons to believe and in some cases they are informed by my own experiential evidence, sometimes other's and of course based on the Holy Ghost and the Bible.

I really do not see the problem. In the presence of risk and lack of conclusive evidence Faith is still needed. Faith will always be needed without being actually being able to predict the Future with absolute certainty.

If you understand that then why on earth have I had conversations with you about whether you'd choose to walk down the stairs or fly down them?

You have insisted over and over that evidence is not all, invoking Hume, empiricism and solipsism to try and support this assertion.

I don't know why Hettie.

Maybe it is partially down to myself. You see I feel that a lot of people swallow a mainstream popularist pseudoscientific message without ever even looking at any of the original research.

On occasions my decisions or views have been questioned citing this is what the 'experts' say, without reference to any original research, whichin itself is not that convincing.

In particular I think the Social Sciences, Neuroscience and Pschology are problematic, due to lack of conclusive evidence. Some of the beliefs in this field belong more in the realms of superstition IMO.

As I have said retrospectively I am pleased I placed my Faith where I did, my hopes were entirely appropriate.

As for 'cherry picking' we all do it. No-one has a complete understanding of all the research there is out there. We all have our own take on it.

You say 'cherry picking' I say discernment.

And sorry, I have been guilty of being a bit of a tease about Hume in the past.

Yes, you're probably right. People do do that. I expect I do. I'm quite willing to assert that the speed of light is .......(whatever it is)........because all the clever physicists say it is. I don't feel the need to plough through papers I have no hope of understanding to try and understand how they've calculated that. They just have. And they all agree on it.

By and large, consensus within science matters. But science is a progressive thing and progress only happens if there's a willingness to change your mind if the evidence suggests you should.

But anyway, I think we've cleared that up. That's progress, eh? Next time I or Back or anyone else points out how very important evidence is to everything you are not going to dispute that by quoting Hume at us right?

I gave my boss your love. He wants to know if you're free for dinner tonight. He'll go Dutch with you on a KFC. Yes?

Got to go.

Sorry, to the 'bastarding' boss I have made prior arrangements.....