Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

[SylviasSlippers]

Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

So I am always wary if causing offence, even if I am not the only Christian about. It seems to me that some find Christian beliefs tantamount to a kind of madness, they question your integrity and trustworthiness due to very common religious belief. Pathology, mind turned to mush, being up for discussion.

So yes I am wary, very. I don't want to offend or hurt others. I want to be classed as a responsible citizen who has the best interests of others at heart.

But I am no better than them, since we are all flawed and I do not know what they might become or how great their achievements may be in their lifetime.

^of causing offence. Typo.

Capsium, that I'm afraid is pretty much how I feel about religion, but I'm aware that many, or even most, religious people somehow separate the belief part from the way they treat others in everyday life. So I know that religious people can be as kind, decent and friendly as anyone else.

You haven't done anything to me so I can keep my opinions of those beliefs without assuming that you are a bad person.

I don't know if that's much comfort given that your beliefs are so important to you and you know how I feel about them, but it's the best I can do.

Back don't worry I know this and accept it.

Oh, don't be silly. Nobody is offended by somebody being a Christian. They might be offended if a Christian says offensive things- but surprisingly enough, many Christians manage to go through life without suggesting that a child has a disability because humanity is tainted by the fall of man, or that people die of cancer because they don't want to stay alive enough.

I never said anything about people wanting to stay alive enough Matorana and the Fall is documented in the Bible so it is difficult to avoid the subject altogether.

As a Christian the Bible is pretty important concerning my beliefs, so when sharing them these subjects might come up, especially if people ask me about them.

Martorana, Cap wont aswer me because to put it into words does indeed sound pretty awful. To be fair to cap, where she has ended up with my question is a pretty unacceptable position, but it's not unusual.

I don't expect her to agree that there is a serious problem here, not on a public forum, not debating with atheists. But I hope that she might, in private, take a long hard look at this issue and ask herself how the fall of man can really result in my child's condition.

Not because I think she will change her mind. But it may give her more insight into why people are atheists, if she realises that it's because we have thought hard about this, and we have decided that this is not a belief we can possibly subscribe to. If she can't quite bear to type the words herself, it ought at least to make her think twice about believing it, I mean, really, actually thinking its true, as opposed to not thinking about it unless some mean atheist boxes her into a corner.

Beast One of the reasons I keep my Faith is I cannot bare to be without Hope.

With Faith there is Hope in Redemption through Christ. Where there is life there is Hope.

It is this I focus on.

I Understand cap. I do think the people have faith because they can't bear to be without it.

I am sure you can see that the reason for me being an atheist is not that I think that I am too clever to believe in god, or that I haven't read the bible ever, or I don't value emotional things. It's not even that I don't think it would be nice. Of course it would be lovely, to think that we all live on after death and everything will be wonderful one day. It's because in my daily situation, I have no choice but to face up to these issues; and once you do, it is not possible to believe in god.

Beast Believe me I have faced up. I have had some serious struggles in my life and a very shaky start. Don't think my Faith is due to my life having been easy.

What I mean is that you have no been able to give me an answer to this specific question, and without it, I cannot share your faith.

But Beast whether you have Faith or not is not reliant on me, it is reliant on you. Faith is a choice. You choose.

I am reconciled with my beliefs.

Are you Capsium? I'm not so sure.

There are some things in life that I accept as a fact. I accept that my son is biologically mine. He might not be! mistakes happen! but I am pretty convinced he is.

I do not want to get him DNA tested, I don't want to poke around hospital records for evidence.....I just accept.

You seem to spend a lot of your time looking for evidence within science that demonstrates (in your opinion) that the god you believe in exists.

I don't think you're just interested in science, your "knowledge" of the subject is too narrow to suggest that. I think that you confine yourself to things that you think proves god.

Example: you don't accept evolution although there's a truly overwhelming amount of evidence proving the fact of it. But you DO accept epigenetics although the evidence for this is in it's infancy (it's still new-ish) purely because you think the OT predicted it, and this would demonstrate your god, you think.

Why are you bothering? If you're right and the Holy Spirit speaks to you, what are you searching for? You already have all the evidence you need.

Or is it purely to try and counter the objections from people like me? In which case, you need better arguments.

I think you're a bit worried that we might be right. You're right to be. We are.

Sorry - this fecking ipad sticks exclamation marks in in the most inappropriate places. Ignore the appalling grammar, please.

I am reconciled Hettie.

My interest in science is more of a social one. I like to be able to converse with people of all walks of life and find new ways of conversing. I like new languages and see science in terms of language, a new way to describe and give meaning to our environment. I see Maths as language also.

I bother because I love people and God.

Unfortunately Hettie much of what I try to communicate to you seems lost in it's translation. Maybe you'd prefer my art....

No, nothing you say to me is lost in translation. You just manage to be wrong about most things.

I think it's very telling that you are picky about which bits of science you'll accept and which bits you won't - and you'll ONLY give credence to the bits that you think (wrongly) prove god.

No one who genuinely loves and understands science could possibly, possibly reject evolution. No way.

Hettie I don't love science. The reason I don't love it is Entropy is foundational within it's theories.

Entropy as in thermodynamics or information?

Oh, forget it. Don't answer. More bullshit and life's too short.

But whether you are willing to admit it or not, it's as clear as day that you'll wholeheartedly embrace that science that you think supports your belief (epigenetics) and outright reject that that doesn't (evolution).

And you accuse scientists of being biased

When biases are conscious ones they can be the result of Faith. Everyone holds biases because not everything in life can be evidence based, there is not enough evidence. Not everyone is conscious of their biases though...

'Everyone holds biases' is probably true, but one need not be biased simply because there is no evidence.

If I don't know which of two explanations is true and there is no evidence at all then I will say 'I don't know'. I won't just 'pick a side'.

Oh and I may be wrong, but I suspect I know what you mean about Entropy.

Everything ends

I will end, this world will end and this universe will end (at least as we know it). I have spoken to people who find that an intolerable thought and I can see why. It may well be hardwired into us to struggle with that.

I'm not exactly pleased about that of course. When I'm gone it will be a great loss to humanity. You will all have to just struggle on without me. :)

Back Regarding not picking sides, sometimes you have to in terms of a decision, as lack of action can be inherent with just as many risks as action.

Regarding not knowing, I speak about my beliefs which is distinctly different to speaking about knowledge. Indeed I actually stated earlier on in this thread that I do not believe you can ever fully possess complete knowledge through human endeavours.

sometimes you have to in terms of a decision Oh yes I agree there and that's fine as long as you are aware of the lack of evidence.

Suppose there are 2 closed boxes and one contains a prize. I must pick one to open, but the first step isn't to 'believe' one is the right one. I know I'm guessing and I shouldn't lose sight of that.

I also agree that you can never possess complete knowledge through human endeavours. Not of the whole universe anyway. What you can have is overwhelming evidence of a part of it.

I think I can make a good case that objects will fall to the ground for example. (or rather that objects with mass will be attracted to one another).

Back Of course I am aware of lack of evidence, I value Faith. Faith is a belief in something that has not been seen.

Guessing? Well not strictly true in terms of Faith. In Christianity there is positive direction, you don't just guess, you make decisions based on your Faith, what you believe to be Truth. Guessing is more akin to chaos or random choice.

Back So my first step is to believe and hope.

I have had, what some would term, some quite big hopes in my lifetime, especially in the educational arena. However looking back retrospectively, those hopes were entirely appropriate.