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Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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SylviasSlippers · 28/02/2014 09:12

Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

OP posts:
Millyblods · 03/03/2014 20:38

Hi and thanks for letting me know about this thread Colin.
Karen can I ask how you are asking for your "order"?

KarenBrockman · 03/03/2014 20:42

I wrote a few down on some paper, I have kept them to the side. I have thought positive thoughts about them. I have looked out for balloons and any sign of any of them. I have worked towards them happening. I got half of one, which isn't really that helpful, I really needed the second half to happen too.

Millyblods · 03/03/2014 20:43

Do you ask for it as if it has already happened ?

KarenBrockman · 03/03/2014 20:50

Yes, I even had a smile a bit of a yelp of delight and behaved as it if had happened.

Millyblods · 03/03/2014 21:06

Well when it happens, let us know Smile

technodad · 03/03/2014 21:09

Dynasty's comment about it being a form of praying is fair.

Ultimately, cosmic ordering is no different from any other form of superstitious behaviour, whereby it is evoloutionary benificial for animals to believe that we can control our surroundings. It is part of all of us, from deep within our instinctual brain. Some people are able to behave rationally and ignore it, others put less thought to it and go with the flow.

The behavioural science behind this sort of thing is extremely fascinating. The animal brain has evolved to spot trends and patterns in life, because it helps us stay alive.

If a zebra spots a shape that looks like a tiger in the grass and runs, then it survives. It may be that there is no lion 99% of the time, but the zebra always survives. The zebra that does not spot the pattern gets eaten, so does not pass its genetic code onto the next generation. Darwinian natural selection in action.

So why has this got anything to do with Cosmic Ordering? Well, the pattern of spotting a tiger is conceptually the same as a cause and effect (with some confirmation bias) and pattern spotting that a human uses when they “practice” Cosmic Ordering.

We are just like pigeons in a Skinner Box!

For those who don’t know what a Skinner Box is, it is basically a box with a button, in which a pigeon is housed. When the pigeon pecks the button, a hatch is opened to a feeder tray, allowing the pigeon to get some food.

Skinner showed that a pigeon is clever enough to peck the button and get a reward of food. However, if the button is disconnected, and the feeder tray hatch opened at random times, then the bird will associate its last action (at the time when the hatch opened) as the cause of the effect. From that point onwards, the bird will frantically repeat the same action, attempting to re-open the hatch. The fact that the first 10 frantic attempts don’t result in the hatch opening are ignored by the bird, but on the 11th attempt, the door opens, confirming to the (stupid) bird that it was the flapping that did it.

Humans exhibit the exact same behaviour. We attach meaning to actions and rituals where none exists. We believe that if we think about red balloons hard enough then we will cause one to appear (or 99 no less!). The reality is, that red balloons are pretty common in our world, and just like the pigeon, if we don’t see one for the first 10 days, we don’t give up, we keep hoping, and eventually when we see one and celebrate our success!

We “pray” for our loved ones to survive illness and when they do survive, then it was our prayer that saved them (never the hard working doctors, nurses and scientists). When they die, we assume it was their time to pass and that it was gods will (or what ever controlling power an individual has made up like a pigeon).

So, in summary, Cosmic Ordering is bollox. We are all stupid pigeons... Or are we?

There is nothing wrong with having a stupid animal brain, since this is the stupid brain that has survived all of the difficulties over millions of generations of evolution to make you live today. It helps you not get eaten by bears, and run away from aggressive people by simply reading their body language. It makes you scared of snakes when you don’t even know why and gives you reflexes to stop you burning yourself (before you have even “felt” the heat).

We should celebrate our animal brain, it is bloody brilliant. However… the thing that makes us different to pigeons (and other animals) is the fact that we can understand all of this, so maybe, just maybe, we should try to rationalise some observed facts from what we can measure and prove within the universe, and recognise that Cosmic Ordering is nonsense of the highest order.

technodad · 03/03/2014 21:12

I just realised, I swapped "tiger" for "lion" half way through paragraph 4 - they look the same (ish) :-).

Hopefully my inability to differentiate between two different animals doesn't discredit my scientific perspective.

Millyblods · 03/03/2014 21:25

Cosmic ordering is positive thinking tech. It is believing in your own power to achieve what you want and the goals you set yourself . It is seeing the world as the glass half full rather than empty. Many people have healed themselves from illnesses when modern medicine has failed or is too invasive because they believed in their bodies ability to heal. Cosmic Ordering is positive thinking rebranded. Not bollocks at all but you will never know because you think negatively of it.

ColinFirthsGirth · 03/03/2014 21:34

Karen - are you also spending about 5 -10 minutes a day visualising the order as having already happened? I have been told that really trying use your imagination to conjur up feelings etc helps.

Petitepeach - Yes I use vision boards. I am a visual person and I find that seeing my goals as pictures and brightly coloure words really helps to keep me on track and motivates me. I also keep a smaller one on card in my diary so that I look at it everyday at work.

Thesaurusgirl - Well that sounds positive that the first part has worked out well. I will look forward to you writing about the other parts too when they have appeared.

I agree with Scarlet in that Abraham-Hicks books and cd's are very good. Esther Hicks tends to talk very fast and I find that I don't always catch everything she says. However I find the cd's and recordings are great for keeping positive as I can play them regularly and let it works it way into my mind.

I have found that the best things seem to happen in my business etc when I bombard myself with positivity - I read inspirational books, use affirmations, put inspirational quotes around my room and listen to things that make me feel inspired and happy. However I have found that you have to take these things one step at a time. I used to have depression quite alot and I wouldn't have managed to do this then because I wasn't in the right place mentally and emotionally. I had to do alot work and had counselling etc and over time I became more solid emotionally. With cosmic ordering I have always read that you need to match your vibration to the vibration of your desire/order. This is where the positivity comes in.

technodad · 03/03/2014 21:37

Grin I think you need to reread my post.

There is nothing wrong with positive thinking, and it is likely that reducing ones stress will aid recovery from illness (you sleep better, so you recover quicker), but to think the mind can heal in the way you describe is sadly another form of confirmation bias.

The fact is, that all of the people with terminal conditions that tried unsuccessfully to use cosmic ordering to heal themselves are dead (and therefor unlikely to discuss their experiences on Mumsnet). It is only the survivors (who were likely just one of the few lucky statistical events where people spontaneously recover) who shout about the "amazing healing powers of the mind".

Steve Jobs is a great example of this: www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8841347/Steve-Jobs-regretted-trying-to-beat-cancer-with-alternative-medicine-for-so-long.html.

technodad · 03/03/2014 21:39

That was a reply to Milly by the way.

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/03/2014 21:44

Then it was our prayer that saved them (never the hard working doctors, nurses or scientists).

Techno, have you ever been to fundraising events for Cancer Research, Macmillan, British Heart Foundation etc.? If you had you would find a most diverse group of people from all beliefs and n

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/03/2014 21:49

Posted too soon.

You would find a most diverse group of people from all faiths and none, who not only thank and acknowledge all the hard work done by doctors, nurses and scientists, but invest time, money and energy into ensuring that these people are able to continue and expand upon their work.

Just because people pray or CO, doesn't mean that they don't recognize, appreciate or invest in medical care givers and the science behind their treatment. Whether successful or not.

technodad · 03/03/2014 21:55

Dione.

Yes I have been to many fundraising events.

I fear you are targeting part of my post that has no relevance to the point. Does attempting to demonise my post with irrelevant comments somehow make Cosmic Ordering work?

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/03/2014 22:37

I fear you are targeting a part of my post that has no relevence to the point.

It must be relevant to you Techno. You posted it. Despite saying that it has no relevance to the point.

I am not passing judgement on the powers if CO. I am certainly not going to ask you to believe. I am challenging your misconception that people with faith do not also believe in their healthcare team and the science behind and ahead of their treatments. Of course they do.

Techno, you have actually been to charity fundraising. You have met the people there. Unless you have only attended very select events, you will have seen All kinds of people. My experience is that you meet all colours, faiths or none, ages, ethnicities. All with a shared experience, all with a common goal.

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/03/2014 22:40

Sorry for the hijack Cosmic Orderers.Blush

technodad · 03/03/2014 22:46

Yawn

This thread has nothing to do with fundraising.

I am happy to discuss the personal attributes of all the people I have been fundraising with on another thread if you desperately want to.

Please post a link when you have set it up so that I can join in.

BumpyGrindy · 03/03/2014 22:53

I am busy now but have some things I really want at the moment...ONE thing in particular. Can anyone tell me the best method of ordering please?

Should I write it down? Think it? I can't read the whole thread as I can't be bothered have very important stuff going on. Thank you!

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/03/2014 23:57

Techno, i can't link, but I have started a thread in Dadsnet, called A Shout Out To Technodad.Smile

HettiePetal · 03/03/2014 23:58

It's all about positive thinking, is it, Milly? What crap.

Maybe, maybe it began that way (I neither know nor care) but it has evolved an awfully long way from that. It's now a bunch of silly people taking a shopping list of things they want to the "cosmos".

And actually, YOU did a bang up job of demonstrating the harm of this type of thinking on the other thread. You claim that people can cure themselves of illness with positive thinking.

Shame on you.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people around dumb enough to believe you so I think you should have the decency to stop saying it.

technodad · 04/03/2014 07:01

Well said Hettie.

People who claim self healing are very dangerous.

Clearly they are doing it because they think they are right, and they care, but they are dangerous none the less.

technodad · 04/03/2014 07:35

Hettie,

Clearly there are far more factors (other than pure intelligence) that govern why people believe in things like CO.

Steve Jobs was a very clever man indeed, but dead now!

At the end of the day, whilst we continue to educate our children from a young age to believe things without evidence, not teaching them to challenge the (lack of) evidence. Whilst also having an unregulated Internet where anyone can post any old crap as pseudoscience fact crap, we will have a population of people who believe this nonsense, rather than attempt to understand the data provided by the Skinner experiments (which is very simple and clear that a child could understand).

We need to change the way we teach our children from a young age, to help society overcome this, which is not going to happen for the next 10 years at least (at the current rate of (backwards) progress).

HettiePetal · 04/03/2014 08:05

No, probably nothing to do with intelligence. But it's certainly to do with ignorance.

I never cease to be astounded at how scientifically illiterate people in this country are, by and large.

People get away with peddling rubbish like the above because of the very widespread "Oh, well, science doesn't know everything, y'know".

Indeed not. But it knows enough to be certain that positive vibes won't cure disease and that the cosmos isn't waiting up there to grant us our wishes.

Children need to be taught not only what science is and how it works but why it can be trusted. Because it can. Certainly more than unqualified snake oil salesmen who pretend that the only thing you really need is a positive outlook.

KarenBrockman · 04/03/2014 08:17

You see the old science argument means not a lot to me. Science is in it's infancy, there is masses to be proved and learned. I was full of faith in Dr's and medicine and they let us down for years, they knew fuck all and tried to make out I and my child were mental physical symptoms were a mh symptom not a physical symptom because they were LAZY and medicine/science hadn't caught up at that point. Guess what we were primarily physically ill and the primary illness gave the anxiety/depression not the other way around, they and their theories/science were wrong, their science has proved them wrong, they just didn't bother their arse trying to find out and the knowledge wasn't there yet. Now I look at everything as a shrug of the shoulder when it comes to science, and think well you just don't know yet, how arrogant to say science is perfect and the best, when it is a load of guesses that haven't been proven.

One day you may look very foolish with egg on your face, like some Dr's do now when I asked them questions about the way they spoke about us. When you cling on to a very limited theory such as science and don't accept it is imperfect and you simply do not know it comes across to me as someone with that attitude as being very arrogant and their opinion becomes worthless to me. There are masses of scientific theories/guesses have been proven.

Due to my experiences I go with my gut instinct and my gut says you know what they can't explain it now, maybe they will in a few years, I will never allow someone to tell me ever again something is in my head when it may not be.

Martorana · 04/03/2014 08:18

Right. Are we talking about thinking positively, about opening out eyes to possibilities, to having the confidence to take our chances when they turn up, about not allowing our "I can't do it" sort of feelings to get I the way of us doing stuff? Are we talking about being hopeful and cheerful and celebrating our achievements? Because all this is thoroughly wonderful and a good thing and we should all try to do more of it.

Or are we talking about writing a shopping list, asking for things in a particular way, then sitting back and waiting for them to fall into our laps, like the list of things in the OP is talking about. And which is wrong on so many levels that I don't know where to start.

Oh, and milly, I asked on the other thread for some examples of the many people who "have healed themselves from illnesses when modern medicine has failed or is too invasive because they believed in their bodies ability to heal"- you must have missed it. Could I have a couple on this thread, please?

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