Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

I'm pleased to hear she has improved. I couldn't comment on whether they got it wrong as I don't know the facts.

But a genetic disorder which can be seen under a microscope doesn't allow for much misdiagnosis, nor, sadly, for much improvement. I know very many parents and none of us has seen any miracle cures, nor are we likely to.

Even genetics are metastable though. There is hope yet.

^ I don't mean to offend Beast and I don't underestimate the seriousness of some conditions. It is just hope is so very important to me. What scientists are finding out regarding genetics does offer some hope to some people, although I appreciate not all.

"I can just say that it feels very liberating to not hold Scientific conclusions as absolute truth, interesting though they may be."

This is such a common straw man in discussions like this. It is the people of faith who hold things as absolute truths. Science doesn't.

Genetic research offers hope to some, but not through prayer. Through science. If prayer worked we would not need genetics.

Beast Science has discovered genes and how to manipulate them to some extent and how the genetic state is sometimes altered.

The gene were already there, the mechanisms by which they change are already there.

Prayer can lead us to specific actions which might in turn affect us at a very deep level. Even a continued pattern of thought, if sustained for a long enough period of time, can affect gene presentation.

Er...your evidence for this, Capsium?

Matorina I am glad science as absolute fact is not your view of it. It is not mine either. I do believe in absolute truth, yet also acknowledge people's flawed perceptions or lack of knowledge may not allow them to see it clearly.

Unfortunately (incomplete) science is often treatedas absolute truth.

Hettie Which bit? The gene research is easily available.

Prayer altering thought patterns? Not much of a leap I would have thought.

"Even a continued pattern of thought, if sustained for a long enough period of time, can affect gene presentation."

Please could you link to some evidence of this?

The gene were already there, the mechanisms by which they change are already there. yes, according to a christian argument they were created by god, who has therefore allowed genetic disability to take place and does nothing to challenge it.

Even a continued pattern of thought, if sustained for a long enough period of time, can affect gene presentation.

Capsium, now you are becoming offensive. Please consider what you post on things like this. It is entirely untrue and very disrespectful to people who live with significant genetic disability.

There are loads of articles Matorina. I'll link one quickly.

www.hormones.gr/541/article/article.html

Really do not mean to offend Beast. I'll apologize if what I have said can be misconstrued as that. However I was referring to studies in behaviour, psychology, physiology and epigenetics that I have read. I don't really know how else to communicate what has been discovered.

Ah - epicenetics. As predicted by the OT, iirc, Capsium?

For goodness sake. Nothing in that research could lead anyone to declare that praying can cause genetic change of the sort Beast is talking about.

Hettie As I have said I don't mean to offend or underestimate the seriousness of some conditions.

However I do remain hopeful. This is my survival mechanism.

I appreciate this is a very sensitive topic, as are all thing faith related, so am sorry if what I have said is hurtful.

You've done what you always do, Capsium. You've misunderstood some scientific research and then conflated it into a meaning of your own.

For somebody at such pains to tell us all that science is biased and can't really be trusted, you are bizarrely desperate to find any hint within it that might support your presupposition that God exists.

I know bugger all about genetics (neither do you) but I doubt any qualified geneticist would say to Burden what you just have.

I hope MaidofStars shows up in this thread at some point because she is a medical geneticist. Would be interesting to hear a few facts from her about this.

Hettie

I'd be interested too, to hear from someone who works in this field.

If you don't know anything about Genetics Hettie how do you know I've misunderstood anything?

I apologise again, if I offend, my expression can be clumsy, but I only said what I think are the implications of the research.

A survival mechanism is exactly what it is- an irrational hope that people cling to because they cannot bear to face the reality in question. That is why we design scientific tests better than this, with blind testing and peer review. Because people are conflicted when they are desperate to find a certain result.

We can understand why you need such a mechanism and we can describe it, as we would any other phenomenon, but it doesn't make it right. People can be terrified of spiders, or sincerely convinced that they are Napoleon, and we can describe that as well.

I have a bit of scientific knowledge myself, hettie

I don't think that link says anything about prayer or continued patterned of thought changing gene expression, does it?

xpost with Cap. Cap, I do have scientific knowledge and I can assure you that you have misunderstood the research and are talking nonsense. Sorry.

Does it not worry you, that you are founding your beliefs on things you are making up as you go along?

I don't know I chose it hastily and only scanned the beginning of it, truth be told Matorina. I have read quite a bit around the subject, the effects of stress on brain physiology and epigentics, marked differences in subsequent generations after parents were subjected to environmental stress.

No I don't worry about that Beast.

Right. So you provide evidence without checking to see whether it actually supports what you've said (rather than just listing some of the "reading" you've done) and don't worry that you appear to be making stuff up to fit your beliefs.

I think I'm out.

Aha, Beast....good :)

I know you're talking nonsense, Capsium, because apart from anything else if a geneticist believed that praying could change genetic structure it would be headline news around the world.

I believe that there is some field of study that is looking at how behaviour can affect genes, but to essentially use this to suggest to a parent that praying could make a difference to their child's condition is absolutely and completely unjustifiable.

I know you don't mean to offend. I genuinely believe that you're a well meaning person. But you are an example of how religion takes decent minds and turns them into mush. It's a great, great shame.

I'll wibble off then. Mush that I am. It's amazing I'm still here really...

I don't think anyones mind necessarily turns to mush just because that person is religous. I think that is rather judgemental and a sweeping statement.

None of us have to justify who we are or what we believe in to anyone - let alone people on a forum.