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Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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SylviasSlippers · 28/02/2014 09:12

Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

OP posts:
technodad · 04/03/2014 17:20

Colin.

Was this a proper experiment with a control group. Where is your published, peer reviewed paper?

If the results were as you say, this must be available on the NHS, since the costs are low and benefits seemingly positive.

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 17:21

Colin it would be very helpful if you could link to that study please. So often, it is disappointing to see how poor the evidence base is for this kind of assertion.

ashtrayheart · 04/03/2014 17:21

I'm off to visit my daughter who is in hospital, some of her problems result from the extra chromosome she has in every cell in her body. Maybe I can cosmically order the extra chromosomes gone Hmm

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 17:22

let me know if it works, Ash. DD and DS2 have some missing; perhaps we can share?

Martorana · 04/03/2014 17:23

Colin- so you aren't actually talking about cosmic ordering they way most people see it. Or as the OP (who appears to have vanished without trace) sees it. Or even as the person promoting it sees it. Why not call yours something else- it might be less confusing.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:23

Technodad - well I for one always ask that any result is for the highest good of all concerned. When I get more clients I know that they are coming to a well qualified practitioner who is insured and belongs to a professional association that is held in high esteem, has a code of conduct etc. I also know that I am ethical and keep to my own code of conduct. I have many clients that have benefitted from coming for therapies. The client could go down the road to see someone that I know has a weekend course in Aromatherapy and is less ethical. Therefore maybe it is for the highest good of the client to come to me and not this other therapist.

It is perhaps unlikely to be in your highest good to stab yourself. The fact that you believe there is no evidence could also affect your results of such an experiment as well.

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 17:24

Link to study, Colin ?

I work in the not-for-profit sector, by the way.

ashtrayheart · 04/03/2014 17:26

Good idea beast. If I see dd's consultant while I'm there I will run it past him Wink

technodad · 04/03/2014 17:27

But lots of people on this thread have slightly differing views of how CO works. Which one is right. How do you know my CO to be stabbed won't work. It will give mumsnet the highest quality rest from my typing after all.

Genuinely, how do I do it?

Also, you didn't explain why the lottery doesn't work but clients do. What if you promised to give all lottery money to a charity, surely that is far better for the universe than you getting clients and becoming more wealthy?

It doesn't make sense.

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 17:28

Any spare 5p they have lying around, gratefully received, dontcha know. DS2 is about 6ft tall, DD is a bit smaller. A smallish bucketful ought to do it.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:28

Beast - I will try my best to find it although much of the research I studied was accessed through the university computers. I have not paid to personally be able to access it so I may not be able to. My assignment was to critical analyse the study using a proper critical analysis tool and I did come to the conclusion that it did show some promise but obviously further research would be needed on it as with all complementary therapies. Despite being somewhat "woo" I do believe that complementary therapy should be evidence based as much as it can be. It is of course far harder to do research on like RCT's than other things. I also studied the placebo effect in detail.

technodad · 04/03/2014 17:31

You added some extra words.

Complementary medicine should be evidence based as much as it can be

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 17:31

Thank you colin. I do think it is very important for people to support what they say with the evidence, when they assert that prayer can help with advanced AIDS. I'm sure you agree.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:32

Technodad - I don't think there is much change of me being wealthy from my work! I am trying to open up access to complementary therapies especially those that can't afford it or people that are living with chronic conditions. I need to pay my mortgage like everoyne else does but believe me I am far more interested in helping people live a better quality of life.

I don't know why one works and the other doesn't. However I do believe that all cosmic orders need action. I have worked hard to increase my client base - and yes some might say that it is the hard work that hasd increased it- I didn't just sit down and wait for the phone to ring.

technodad · 04/03/2014 17:35

Some might say that...

And they would likely be correct.

technodad · 04/03/2014 17:36

Considering Steve Jobs, arguably your business is not good for the universe at all.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:38

Beast - I do generally agree with you. However I haven't got access to much of the research I studied - I am hoarder and forced myself to recycle much of it as I don't have room for that much paperwork. I wouldn't have mentioned it normally because I don't want people to have false hope either and I am sure that some posters wont believe me any. However there are people out there trying to research this properly.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:41

Technodad - you clearly don't understand the difference between a Complementary Therapist and an Alternative therapist then. A common misconception but maybe you'd like to google that!

I have also put in my pervious posts more than once and yes I do make a difference to my clients life. Many are able to have a much better quality of life through the use of Complementary Therapies. There mood levels are often better, their sleep is often better, energy levels are better etc

capsium · 04/03/2014 17:45

Sometimes action based on Faith is the only available option, for example when all possible actions pose equal risk. Faith could be preferable, if you are living a version of the Ellsberg paradox, where some actions pose an unknown risk but good outcome, others pose quantifiable risk but little gain in terms of outcome.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:45

Technodad - I wrote as much as it can be because it is incredibly hard to do a RCT with complementary therapies this is due to many factors but includes the placebo effect, the nocebo effect etc. Plus it can be very hard to quantify the benefits. We could no doubt argue this till we are blue in the face but there will always be things that we don't understand about these therapies. Interestingly even if it is the placebo effect it doesn't matter in my opinion - the placebo effect actually does change the chemicals in the brain.

There has been research on morphine and about half of the pain relieving effect of that is placebo according to the findings of the researchers.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:47

Beast - The study is on distant healing which I feel is similar to prayer. However we don't that they are the same. Certainly the people involved were qualified healers rather than just individuals praying. I don't know if that made a difference or not.

technodad · 04/03/2014 17:47

Colin

Fair point, I miss read and made an assumption. My apologies for jumping to a conclusion that you were dealing with alternative therapies.

So you agree then that the medicine is the thing that does the curing then, and the complementary medicine improves hygiene factors (as a placebo) which help well being (which can lead to a better response to treatment)?

I presume you also agree that alternative medicine promoters are highly dangerous people who risk people's lives on a regular basis and should be made illegal?

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 17:49

Beast - you mention you work in the not-for-proft sector - I am probably missing the point massively but not sure what you are getting at?

StickEmUpBigStyle · 04/03/2014 17:51

I like this idea in principle but it's not really how life is intended.

What about people in Africa who want to cosmic order food and water??

Life is not 'grant me my wishes' but 'thy will be done'

HettiePetal · 04/03/2014 17:51

Colin - People who enjoy a good debate don't start whining about other people not being respectful & claiming to feel "sad" at the attitude of others.

I find this kind of lilly liveried nonsense quite emotionally manipulative, actually. It's an attempt to stop people saying what they actually think by going into boo hoo mode.

If you can't cope with hearing other people's opinions about the things you believe, then keep them to yourself.

No, I don't know about your scientific knowledge. But given that you believe in the law of attraction I'm guessing it's weak.