Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

That's not what "fittest" means in that context, Capsium.

My belief does not prohibit consulting Doctors Back, the Bibile does not either. I fully acknowledge we can help through more physical means, if someone was hungry I would feed them, not tell them to rely on Faith.

Hettie referring to your comment concerning the placement of the oesophagus.

Matorana not intending to be coy or patronising. I just believe there is nothing to compare to conducting your own search, first hand. Only you know what would satisfy you.

^Bible. Typo.

capsium I felt sure that you would be sensible that way and of course that makes you much better than those loons, but it does undermine the argument that it works if people then don't rely on it.

Oh Hettie I had forgotten about our language usage differences. I'm not about to get into dictionary definitions again though..

I have conducted my own search, first hand. I am now asking you to point me in what you consider the right direction.

Oh, so you accept that evolution shaped our bodies. Not so divinely designed then?

And that is a very, very good point by Back. When very devout parents rely entirely on faith their child dies. So faith healing only works when it's not just faith?

Ever heard Occam's Razar?

Survival of the fittest means best fit for the environment....not who has the biggest muscles.

But yes, natural selection is responsible for the windpipe & oesophagus being dangerously close to each other. No one but an idiot could possibly have designed it to be like that.

I do rely on Faith though Back. I have to have Faith when I consult a doctor that they will give me the correct advice or if they don't that it won't matter and that side effects of any medication or medical intervention will not be worse than the symptoms of my illness and that the medication or medical intervention will work..

I believe in hereditary Hettie, not quite the same as evolution. No I have not heard of Occam's Razor.

Matorana why not try a prayer for God to lead you in your quest, in Jesus' name?

Ok, if have finally to accept that you aren't remotely interested in a sensible and interesting discussion. I'm out.

Entirely your choice Matorana.

I have to have Faith when I consult a doctor

When you consult a doctor you are making a rational choice based on your knowledge of the system involved in training dcotors and deiding what treatments are safe for them to use.

It would be a matter of faith if you were to go to a practitioner using an untested therapy, or one that had been proved to be ineffective, and where there is little or no control over their training and accreditation.

Oh, wait....

Martorana asked you to back up your assertion with some evidence. Ultimately you told her to go pray to Jesus.

My mush comment is not looking quite so mean now, is it?

Beast

Beast I certainly do need Faith because medical practise does not do enough to reassure me.t

Hettie I'm a mushy miracle then....amazing I can do anything really. I thank God for it all.

"a much better quality of life through the use of Complementary Therapies. There mood levels are often better, their sleep is often better, energy levels are better etc"

Agreed! These are the effects of "feeling cared about" - which can also be achieved through getting a pet, meditating, having a bubble bath, talking to a friend, having great sex, all sorts of things. The fact that we are wired to feel better when comforted has nothing to do with 'energies', it's evolutionary. Complementary therapies often provide comfort to those who have too little of it.

I'm a 'qualified' reiki practitioner (yes, I find that hard to believe, too ) and will 'reiki' anyone who wants it. Not because I buy into any of the utter bollocks that was spouted during the 'training' but just because the people who seek it need comforting. And I will provide some in the way they ask: why wouldn't I?

I have just looked up Occam's Razor and in reference to it I find the Ellsberg paradox quite an ironic truism. That is most people prefer to take a quantifiable risk, for which the promised gain is less than an unknown risk, which promises a greater gain, in terms of outcome.

I believe the corruption since the Fall affects everyone differently. We all have strengths and weaknesses. Some people's bodies are better at healing themselves, some in some areas, some have different strengths and so on.I also belief my body was designed by God so it's ability to heal is attributed to Him. Every good thing is attributed to him since He is in what is good.

This is what is so difficult for me. My son's body was, in this theory, designed and created by god to have catastrophic disabilities. You suggest that perhaps this deliberate sabotage was undertaken by god as a form of revenge following the fall- a trivial bit of disobedience thousands of years ago. If so, it is a clear abuse of power.

If it were only a question of every good thing being attributed to god, we might not disagree. Unfortunately there is a lot of evil that we also have to attribute to god. There is no properly documented and proven healing of significant illness or disability that has ever taken place. Apparently god just can't be bothered. That hasn't stopped people inventing many sotires of healing, because it would be so lovely if it were true.

The ability to believe that god is good is at the heart of much of this discussion. People want to feel safe, cared for, loved. They would like, very much, to feel that problems ranging from parking spaces to illness will be solved for them.

Some of them are persuaded not to expect too much: to say instead that god is with them in their suffering. As I have posted before, that only works if you dont hold god responsible for the problem. Otherwise, for him to comfort me for a problem that he has deliberately caused- it's like me coming to your house and burying an axe in your DC's brain; then making you a nice cup of tea. I think the focus of most normal people would be on the axe, not the cuppa.

If you want to believe in god, you are sort of forced into an irrational position, because the weight of evidence around suffering is just so strong. You have to value "unknowable" intangible things, because frankly that's all you are going to get.

I don't think people of faith can help believing. I think it is hardwired in them- indeed, we have found the brain region which is active in cases of religious visions. Next to the epilesy bit, apparently. I think in not so many years, faith will be recognised as a distinct pathology that makes people quite vulnerable. We will be explaining more than acupuncture in modern medical terms: we will be explaining the origins of faith. And I think it will be very uncomfortable for many people.

Beast I believe corruption is due to the Devil's deception not God. Corruption is hereditary, stemming from the Fall.

I do believe what is good is from God. I do believe God loves us. I accept this is part of my Faith.

You describe Faith in terms of pathology? I would say the stress and worry which comes from not exercising Faith has a pathology all of it's own.

Capsium - I think it is impossible to explain to a person of faith, why their faith looks pathological from the outside. It's not unlike asking a person in the full manic stage of bi-polar to accept that they can't win a triathlon without training - with the way their brain is working, it simply doesn't compute for them.

Faith does offer feelings of belonging, and of being protected, which are innate to the human mind, as to other mammals. The difference between the way I get these feelings - through conscious use of psychological tools - and the way you get them is that you believe these desirable emotional effects are bestowed on you through an invisible entity. I find that thought disempowering, even dangerous. This is the part that you'd probably find impossible to understand.

By "pathology" I dont mean the usual, rather derogatory meaning of "being a bit nuts"

I mean it in the meaning of "a physical feature which can be described and detected in the body"- in this case, activity and/or physical stuctures present in the brains of believers and not, or less so, in the brains of others.

If god is weaker than the devil, then your view makes sense but I think that many people would not say that this view formed part of their faith.

capsium did not god create the devil and design him to be evil so as to do all those things?