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Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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SylviasSlippers · 28/02/2014 09:12

Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

OP posts:
capsium · 05/03/2014 15:05

Garlic I understand it but reject it through conscious choice. I think you are wrong and have turned what is right and wrong on it's head. I term the viewpoint you have put forward the dangerous one.

capsium · 05/03/2014 15:06

Back The Devil was created by God but rebelled against Him.

capsium · 05/03/2014 15:08

It is not about God being weaker than the Devil. He is not. It is about people letting themselves be deceived by the Devil as opposed to being lead by God. It is a choice, we have Free Will.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 15:12

It is not about God being weaker than the Devil. He is not. It is about people letting themselves be deceived by the Devil as opposed to being lead by God. It is a choice, we have Free Will.

no, we dont have free will to decide whether or not to inherit a serious genetic disability. That is exactly the point I have been making.

I do get that men's own bad behaviour is no argument against god.

But my child's disability? are you saying god created it in revenge for bad behaviour by someone before I was conceived? (it existed in the eggs that I born with).

capsium · 05/03/2014 15:15

I am certainly not saying that Beast. We are all corrupt, albeit in different ways, since the Fall. No one is excluded in this. Every person is fallible, faulty, in some way.

However I believe Eternal Redemption is available through Christ.

capsium · 05/03/2014 15:16

^The Fall was due to the Devil's Deception and not God.

capsium · 05/03/2014 15:18

We do have Free Will to choose to follow Christ.

BackOnlyBriefly · 05/03/2014 15:20

So none of this was god's plan then and he didn't know that creating Lucifer would cause all this suffering.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 15:45

cap I think you are avoiding the question because you have no answer.

Suffering is caused by the devil, according to you. The devil is able to do this because we abuse our free will.

How does that abuse of free will result in my son's disability?

If it isn't caused by free will, what is it caused by?

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:08

Beast When I refer to Free Will I am referring to the Free Will of human kind. One person exercising their Free Will in an evil direction can be abusive to another innocent person. There are knock on effects.

The damage can only be fully and Eternally Redeemed through Christ, according to my beliefs.

I do not believe the Fall and resulting corruption was part of God's perfect plan. Human beings chose and continue to choose to be deceived by the Devil. Jesus was sent to put everything right after the Fall.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 16:09

So why is my son disabled?

Did god create him or did he not?

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:10

...and you are right Beast I don't have the answer to everything. This is where my Faith comes in.

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:13

Beast According to my beliefs God created human kind. We reproduce. So it is true to say God created your son, as He created human kind but also true to say you created him with his father.

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:14

I also believe we are all of equal worth in God's eyes, regardless of our flaws.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 16:14

I expect you can see why I am an atheist, given that people have literally no response to the most important question I could ever ask about faith.

general corruption since the fall could create a disabled child- if god decided to take revenge on the innocent in that way.

If it were true, that is certainly not someone I could ever worship.

There is no other possible mechanism, unless you allow that the devil is in charge after all.

The problem with you retreating and saying you dont understand everything, is that it is a knock-out blow, certainly for me. It makes total nonsense of faith, and it makes me think that the only way to retain a faith is to shut your eyes to the suffering of the innocent.

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:18

Beast Concerning your comment that the Devil is in charge. I believe we have Dominion over this world yet some give their power, Free Will over to the Devil and allow him to deceive and manipulate them.

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:19

It is people being deceived by the Devil that allows him the power to destroy.

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:21

And it really is a tall order being expected to understand everything fully.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 16:21

nothing to do with worth, cap. I also think my son is of equal worth. I'm not trying to get a refund for a substandard child.

I am angry that he has to suffer so much pain and frustration and because he can never have a child, a relationship, a friendship, or any of the things that make for a happy life. And anyone who honestly thinks that they are just as happy as we are, is welcome to spend a weekend looking after him.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 16:22

But surely you don't think that people being manipulated by the devil causes genetic disability?

Can't you see that this is the key question?

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:27

Yes, I can see but am acutely aware how easy it is to offend.

At one point I could have been asked the same question, since there was a very real possibility that my child had a disability. A Statement, with a fairly high level of funding, for severe and complex SEN, does not come from nowhere. Subsequently my DC has been discharged though.

What I will say is I am a Christian. This offends some people.

capsium · 05/03/2014 16:30

^'I could have asked the same question', that should read. Typo.

Beastofburden · 05/03/2014 16:56

I think you must be saying that you do believe that bad behaviour has caused genetic disability, though understandably you dont want to say so.

CoteDAzur · 05/03/2014 19:19

Why on earth would it offend anyone that you are Christian? You are hardly the only one around.

capsium · 05/03/2014 19:40

People can be offended by someone else being a Christian if they are offended by Christian beliefs.

Beliefs are so very tightly bound up with who we are, our motivations and how we act towards others.

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