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Graham, Gloria and Gossip! Religion Chat thread (part 4)

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nickelbabe · 06/08/2011 11:52

I know we've not officially finished the last one, but I wanted to get the link in before we ran out of room!

Everyone welcome - the aim of this thread is to generally chat about church life, or just gossip in general!
You don't have to be a regular church-goer, nor do you have to know what we're going on about!
It's not about debate, it's just about chatting
:)

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madhairday · 22/11/2011 16:58

But do love drums ver ver much :)

DutchOma · 22/11/2011 19:48

MHD I could not distinguish any tune in it. I don't mind GK. I don't even mind drums, so long as they are there to support, not to dominate.
The funniest in the St Matthew's service was that they have under floor hot air heating and everytime they walked over it their surplices blew up to nearly over their head.
It was a most peculiar service, never been to anything like it before, something to do with it being the last Sunday in the church calendar.

TotallyUnheardOf · 22/11/2011 23:25

[Eek] @ piped muzak. Sounds a bit like the muzak music my dh is into - minimalist stuff with random notes on a constant loop and the occasional equally random 'ping' to make it - ahem - 'interesting'. HmmConfusedHmm

Ooh, our cathedral is getting underfloor heating once the refurb is done (probably another 18 months... it starts after Christmas). I can't wait. It's freezing in there atm.

I have got used to the incense over the last year. Hated it when I first started going there (having grown up in a very Low Church tradition, and incense not featuring in the otherwise quite High services we went to in the US), but I barely notice it now.

Had a conversation with the person in charge of events at the Cathedral on Sunday, which was both exciting and frustrating. We probably can't use the Cathedral as a space to do anything for another couple of years or so, because of the building work (though it'll be worth it to be warm in there), but she was really keen to work with us, so maybe we will get something off the ground somewhere else in the diocese instead. And the Dean now knows who I am, which is also very nice.

MHD, you said something the other day about starting to feel that we 'belong' there, and, to my great delight, yes, I think that's starting to happen and I am starting to understand how we fit in. And dd2 is becoming quite a fixture... she'll be starting as a server after Christmas probably, and is reading a prayer next week (for the lighting of the first Advent candle, I think) and acting as a narrator for the Christingle service. Smile I may even manage to drag dd1 along for the Christingle - though she will doubtless roll her eyes and do her Hmm face. (I find ignoring it works a treat!)

DutchOma · 23/11/2011 10:46

Oh yes, 'pingy' music. And music like 'train-over-the-rails'. Gets turned off big time in this household. No, it wasn't like that. Some people might have quite liked it, but to me it was just noise. I think they do it because they think it will put people in the mood to worship. But it doesn't do a thing for me apart from chasing me out of church.
I've had a phone call from the deacon on duty who saw me go and she arranged a lift for me to the evening service which is much quieter.
It's very sweet of her and she emphasised there was no pressure, she just felt very sad that I could not enjoy the worship on offer. Which to be fair, I have not really done for years.

madhairday · 23/11/2011 12:34

at the robes being blown upwards. Hope they weren't going commando underneath Grin

DO, glad though that the Deacon took you to the evening service. I hope you were able to get more out of that. So hard to sit through services where you find the worship style difficult/offputting.

TUO - tha's great - so glad you are settling in there now so well and that dd 2 is loving it as well.

DutchOma · 23/11/2011 15:19

It's for a future occasion MHD And it was only the surplices that went almost up over their head, the cassocks, being of heavier material stayed firmly down. Good job too, commando style or not.

madhairday · 24/11/2011 13:32

Thankful for that then DO!!

How are you nickel?

Just had my hair cut and coloured and so pleased - needed a lift and have left it too long.

Also was asked yesterday if I will do one of the seminars at a New wine conference in January. Scared stiff but said yes....aaagh

DutchOma · 24/11/2011 13:36

Wow MHD Both about the haircut and the New Wine conference

nickelbabe · 24/11/2011 15:46

Feeling the pinch mhd - thank you Oma for the orer - that's made a huge difference to my day :)

Just been doing loads of lesson planning stuff for the Junior Choir.
Having to emphasise now that original chorister should be on a higher level than Newbie, and that he's really got to start knuckling down. So made a few additions to the lesson plan that mean Original will get harder questions asked of him during practice.
And he's got to learn C, G and F and their relative minors (evil witch emoticon) and D and Bb.

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thanksamillion · 25/11/2011 17:47

Oohh nickel hasn't posted today - does that mean something's happening???

I was a little bit worried, nickel, about the whole live birth thread thing as you only ever post from work which I'd kind of assumed meant that you didn't have internet at home (rather than that you actually had a life outside of MN Grin) so I've been worrying a bit that your birth would actually have to be done in your shop in order for the updates to be posted. Please reassure me Grin

madhairday · 26/11/2011 11:26

ooh nickel - where are you love? Praying for you. :)

dd is at her entrance exam this morning for a grammar school - she was so nervous bless her, hope it's going well for her.

nickelbabe · 26/11/2011 13:07

I'm here!
DH has been on the till this morning, so I haven't had a chance to even look at the computer till now - I forced him to fetch snacks so that I could catch up!
Grin

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nickelbabe · 26/11/2011 13:08
Grin I have got internet at home, don't worry! (and I can get it - albeit v e r y s l o w l y on my phone)
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nickelbabe · 26/11/2011 13:08

good luck to your DD on her entrance exam :)

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madhairday · 26/11/2011 15:09

It went well, she thinks, not too many really difficult questions. It was a lot for an 11 yr old though - 2 silent exams of 45 mins each on a Saturday morning. v proud!

TotallyUnheardOf · 27/11/2011 23:50

How are you doing Nickel? Hope all's well....

Good luck to your dd, MHD. I really hope it goes well for her. My dd1 did hers last year and didn't get a place in the end, but is really really happy and doing well at the school she did eventually get into (a local comp, but not our catchment school). She has grown up loads in the last term - but in a good way, I think.

Can I use this thread to ask a random question that has popped into my head? It has struck me a couple of times now that the only person mentioned in the Creed, apart from Mary (and excluding the three persons of God) is Pontius Pilate. Why is it so important to stress that Christ was 'crucified under Pontius Pilate'? Would it not have been enough to have said that He was crucified? Surely in a text as important as this the mention of Pilate can't be random? I thought (maybe wrongly) that the view of the Early Church was that it was the Jews who were responsible for Christ's death (leading to centuries of anti-semitism Sad)? I know that the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD was seen by some as punishment for the putting-to-death of Christ. But did that interpretation come later in the Middle Ages? I know that Augustine is much more negative about Rome than later thinkers, so maybe in that earlier period the Romans were blamed? But I just don't know, and it's bugging me. Now I've started (over-)thinking it, that name just sticks out at me like a sore thumb.

Any ideas?

DutchOma · 28/11/2011 10:45

It's a good question TUO. I have just checked the Nicene Creed and they mention Pontius Pilate as well. No answers, sorry

Bluetinkerbell · 28/11/2011 11:19

oooh nickel are you 'officially' overdue today Wink/

Went into school this morning, did assembly on Advent. It was really good!

nickelbabe · 28/11/2011 11:34

yes, I am officially overdue.

I'm okay though.
I feel very tired (very tired and still couldn't sleep all of last night! DH is back at work today, and I was sooo restless that I was keeping him awake - he's one of those people that can sleep through an earthquake Blush )
and very heavy.

Still, Got through the Advent Carol Service. Grin
It went well, in terms of the music being mostly spot-on, but the execution of the event went rather less smoothly....
1: tenor dropped his entire folder of music during the first reading
2: I felt really hot and sweaty during the service, eventually having to go into the vestry to take my cardigan off (not realising until I'd walked off that we had to march around into the transept in this hymn - so I came back, thought, ooh, if I nip across I can grab my folder and join everyone. got back to the pews to find that the lady I was sitting next to had thought about this, and taken my folder for when I joined them! So I had to stand in the pew feeling daft while the procession went past me!)
3: the crucifer decided that instead of lwading us round into the transept so that we would be in place for the next reading, that she would stop. then move a couple of steps then stop again. at the very end of the hymn. so we ended up moving round while the reading was being read
4: then the crucifer decided that instead of waiting till the final "verse" of the Advent Chorale on the organ before moving us round, she would walk off at the end of the first verse. which meant that instead of a good 4 verses of me being able to sit down, I had to stand for those 4 verses (because now we were at the altar and have to stand very still and serious while the chorale is being played.)
5: one of our young sopranos felt dizzy and faint during the standing-at-the-altar part and had to be escorted into the vestry for water and sitting down.
6: one of our other tenors came in too quickly in the Men-only part of O Thou the Central Orb (amusingly for us, during the line that says "come, quickly come" Grin )
7: (oh this should come first, chronologically!) -
I forgot to pick up the tripod for the camera, so had to sent DH back for it
and then we didn't have the raffle tickets, which I swore I had given DH a week ago - so I had to go back home for them - they were still in the bureau.
(thankfully, we arrived at the church 1 ½ hours before the start, and were prompt with rehearsals, so had enough time for this faffing!)
8: other organist (i found out his morning) got so drunk after the buffet that he fell down the vestry steps! (god knows how he got home)

Re: Pontius Pilate - the reason he is in the Creed is because his washing his hands thing and ordering the crucifixion is all part of the fulfillment of the prophecy.

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nickelbabe · 28/11/2011 11:36

he isn't mentioned in the athanasian creed but that's really really long, and I don't think it mentions Mary either...

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nickelbabe · 28/11/2011 11:40

interstingly in this wiki article - the first nicene creed didn't mention Pilate or mary, but then was a lot less involved because it didn't say he was buried either.
it was amended for the first council of Constantinople

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DutchOma · 28/11/2011 12:44

Oh Nickel, what a story. So drunk he fell down the vestry steps ooerr.

nickelbabe · 28/11/2011 12:58

he hasn't had a proper drink for ages - he's rather poor at the moment, so I have a feeling he didn't realise how much it had affected him
(not making excuses!)

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nickelbabe · 28/11/2011 13:16

I've just started watching the video - after the priest stops her introduction, there's a loud bang from the back of the church. that was me standing up Blush

Other Organist has just been in the shop as well - he fell off his bike part-way home (yes, he cycled home in that state Hmm) and knocked himself out.
He got home at 7 this morning. (i think he might also have spent some time unconscious in the church before he went home)
He made me "promise" not to say anything to anyone.
(maybe I should have name-changed....)

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Bluetinkerbell · 28/11/2011 13:27

haha nickel you had quite an eventful Sunday! I'm surprised all that stress hasn't made you go into labour yet Wink

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