Doxologies, Delirium and Discussion: Religion Chat Thread number 3

[nickelbabyhatcher]

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It's basically a "what happened in church/spiritual life/anything else you want to chat about that's vaguely related (or not) to churchy stuff.

That was that norty nickel, PA, not saintly moi

I apologise MHD!! Naughty Nickel.

hello all happy belated birthday nickel, and congratulations SES

just in from a parenting evening at church - deliberately focusing on how we disciple our children. Mostly splitting into age and gender specific groups to share ideas. I was facilitating one of the groups, was an interesting discussion - was very glad I had plenty of chatty people in the group as I sure don't have it nailed!

Does anyone with children of both genders think they disciple the kids differently according to their sex?

what? [innocent]
should I have said "good companionship as ordained by God" ?

Panda - i don't have any of those children things yet, but I do hope that I won't disciple them differently according to sex.
in fact, the only thing I can see as causing a difference is the handling of maturing singing voices, and that won't happen until at least 13 years old!

I do, however, see there being a pressure to ensure that the boys don't think they're it and to ensure the girls feel their contribution to life being valid and equal; but that's only because of the historical slant of the bible. That's easily repaired by comparisons to changing roles of men and women in today's society, I hope.

What kind of issues and differences were raised in your discussion?

I only have sons, but do feel I parent them slightly differently as they have quite different temperments and are at different ages / stages of development. For example, one is sent to tidy his room when he is naughty but the other is younger and quite tidy so I don't send him upstairs to tidy his room but will sit him on the naughty step instead. When he is older I'll send him off to do some housekeeping task, but not to tidy his room as there's no point if it is tidy anyway.

woo.
Have jut had the magainze in kit form delivered to me

the admin lady prints it off, and then I have to organise collating and distribution.
I'm hoping the lady who used to do it will be willing to do it again.

The printer that we have in Church House is a bit crap - it's cheap to print stuff off, but you can't copy photos, because it prints really really blackly, with thick lines.
I think they bought it from Noah.

Anyway, they didn't notice (nor did I) until it was brought to me that I mucked up the date of the 8:30 BCP communion service, so now I've got to go through 150 copies crossing out the original listing and sticking a "correction" sticker on it.
And i've run out of stickers!

Sounds awful nickel!

Panda, I definitely don't believe in discipling according to gender! I also find it incredibly annoying if people try to disciple ME according to gender too! :)

Sorry, I meant to add that if I had girls I'd like to think that I'd discipline them too based on their personalities, and not their gender.

Are we talking about 'discipling' or 'disciplining'? There is a bit of a difference there But with either, I would also say I parent according to character and need, not gender at all, it never crossed my mind that you could, I suppose! In fact if anything, my two would reverse stereotypes, as ds can be a wuss and dd something of a tomboy, and ds needs lots of cuddly loving gentleness and dd lots of rough play and manicness

Ah, I read too quickly!

It never ceases to amaze me though, how many publications gender stereotype though. I can sort of see the reason for "women in leadership" courses, although less so for conferences like "woman to woman" as promoted by Premier Radio. Or daily devotionals for women. They do nothing for me!

If anyone had bought DD one of these or this, I'd have found it hard to maintain Christian love :o

I know Mary - trouble is dd loves those pink bibles and has one

I have 4 girls and 1 boy. 3 of the girls would have been absolutely delighted with a pink fluffy Bible, the other one would have probably thrown it!

Morning

So, to AV or not?

Mind you don't know when I'm going to get to vote - dh out all day so have dc at home. Might just take them with me as it's near the park and they can have a play there.

[boak] Mary!
We have Baby Girl and Baby Boy bibles in this shop - they're the same as the yellow Baby Bible, but £3 more expensive and with silver edges.
drives me nutty.

You can take DCs to the polling station, but I don't know if they're allowed inside (i suppose it depends on their age)

I'm voting AV - it's a small change, and it's not perfect, but it's the only way we can demonstrate that we want change.

there's also a Teddy Bear bible, which has a bear on the front, but it's fluffy (fun fur), so it's lovely to carry around.
unfortunately, that too has a Boy and a Girl version.
not just pink or blue, but the pink one has a bow in the hair, so you can't even pretend that it's okay for a boy.

You can take them to a polling station - I have taken my DCs in the past and i remember when I was a teenager my Dad took me so I could see what it was all about (and he could attempt to indoctrinate me into voting SNP ...).

I've got a postal vote and have voted for the AV. We also have Scottish Parliament elections here too so I've voted in those as well.

I'm not sure if I've voted yet or not! My Dad is charged with proxy voting for me and DH. I'm sure he's following our instructions

THanks for your opinions. I absolutely agree that I disciple my children according to their needs, not their gender. I think the people that were running the course found that when they were brainstorming ideas they found their own children needed different approaches which broadly (but not completely) split down gender lines, so as a way of splitting people up decided to go with age and gender).
To a large extent DD does conform to gender stereotype, so I dance with her at church as a way for us to worship together (DS would no way dance!! he wants to help his dad do the visuals at the back - 2 geeks together).

DS is small and quite weedy, but does look up to some of the older teenage lads at church, so I have made sure he has plenty of male role models, including using male babysitters. We also spent a long time looking for a new Bible for him, he wanted omne with some commentary in, but more grown up, but the Youth Bible was too grown up in the examples for my then 10yo. We finally found one that was cool, and pitched right at NW last summer - and it is deliberatley aimed at tween boys. When DD needs a new Bible I am fairly sure she will choose something pink and sparkly - she is just like that! And if it means she wants to read it I don't care frankly!

RE AV - I'm voting yes, would prefer a greater change, but I think the small change is better than none!

Which NW do you go to Panda? Are you going this year? We go to Newark :)

Newark too - we must meet up for a coffee/glass of wine...I'll be wanting one after worshipping with 450 5-7 yos in a cowshed! DH and I are being team pastors for Groundbreakers team again this year. Really looking forward to it!

Oh fantastic Panda. dh was team pastor for Rock Solid then groundbreakers for a couple of years, would be 2 years ago now, he loved it. Our friend is working on the Groundbreakers team this year, and ds is in Groundbreakers so will see you around there no doubt, and yes most definitely to the glass of wine, we'll have to swap moby numbers near the time.

How's everyone this morning. Nickel, how are you? Baroque, are you coming back? We miss you!

Morning!
I'm fine thanks!

I've tried to get Baroque back over here, but she steadfastly ignores any mention of MN. I think she's going cold turkey on it (haven't seen her anywhere else either)

what's NW?

woohoo!
Magazine has been collected for collating, and I'm getting it back to staple it.
I've got to raise the magazine at the PCC meeting on tuesday, which I'm scared about, because I have to tell them all off for being feckless and not giving me any articles.
(and remember to thank first those who did give me articles!)