Xl bully ban

[Louise0808]

I have quite a big opinion on the banned dog list. It doesn't work for a start. I genuinely do believe the goverment have to do 1 of these things. Bring in a responsible dog owner law. Not just large dogs though, im sick of being attacked by small dogs too. Or make a law where every single dog is muzzled in public regardless of breed. I know the argument of large dogs cause more damage but a bite is a bite and regardless of size or damage it shouldn't be tolerated. Everyone deserves to be safe. I know someone will say my dog doesn't need a muzzle they've done nothing wrong but neither have mine and I've had to exempt my 2 american bulldogs which are a completely different breed because the criteria covers their breed too ( measurements).
And then today another fatality from xl bullies. Its ridiculous. I'm so sick of crappy people ruining dog ownership for the rest of us and taking peoples lives or causing injuries because they are irresponsible as. I'm not overly fussed by the exemption or the muzzles. It doesn't bother me. I know alot of people fear large dogs and it's my choice to have them. So they are well trained and now will be muzzled. That's fine. But what is being done to stop this happening again to another breed?
This banned list just doesn't work. There needs to be something else.
How do you personally think things should go?

Woman just been mauled to death by two dogs
They won’t be Chihuahuas.

A grandmother also mauled to death recently by XL Bullies.

They are neither sane nor safe.
Very dog and human aggressive.

The ones who annoy me are those who didn't exempt and now doing go fund me's because their dog got seized.

Not disputing the damage they do. That's why I am saying a responsible dog owner law should be in place. Alot of people have large powerful breeds that they have no business owning. But I also suggested muzzling all dogs in public because if you only muzzle large dogs and small dog attacks still go on that again isn't right either. A small dog may not do much to an adult but they can to a child. The whole public should be safe from ALL dog attacks/bites/fatalities.
I love large breeds that's obvious but I'm not silly. They are strong and powerful and have the power to kill under certain circumstances. So as a responsible owner I've trained non stop, done environmentals and have solid recall under any distraction. Basic stuff really but not many people are doing it.

@forgotmyusername1 yeah I agree thats ridiculous. It wasn't alot of money just over 200 for 2 dogs and insurance. No excuses really. If you can afford to buy these expensive dogs, then you can pay the fee.

I agree with you OP. BSL doesn’t work. The Calgary model is something I think should be seriously considered.

People saying they couldn't afford it because of Christmas

If your dogs life is less important than a present then you have your priorities screwed up. I wasn't in that situation but if I were then my present would have been saving the dog

People just need more common sense, if your dog will run up to other people you should engage them off the lead with a tennis ball so they're like boomerangs with you, or walk then 40 minutes more out so they're not going to run into people. Drives me mad when people let their energetic dog off 5 mins into a dog walking spot, they're all mad and energetic and will bother anything in their tracks. Also hate it when people walk with their dog who will approach others on a trail, I use trails to get to somewhere more remote with mine on a lead and the nature of walking head on into another dog means it will normally come up to you and some of them are rude and badly trained and will get too excited about it.

XLs are evil. They all need destroying.

@somekittenmittens I agree. I'm not a very sociable person when I take my dogs out. I like to be left alone. Mine thankfully have solid recall but when another dog doesn't, it is a pain in the a**.

The Banned dogs list worked just fine for me. I saw an American Pitbull on my street running loose, being baited to attack objects and hang by it's jaws.
Took some photos of the dog&owner from the safety of a car. Reported to the police. Got a crime number. I was updated when the dog was seized. Dunno about other punishments and fines (very probable) but I got the main thing I wanted - an aggressive, banned dog out of my neighbourhood. I feel safer now.

I think every person with common sense can see that the seriousness of the situation where a dangerous dog is out of control would only be minimised if cops would have to treat "miniature dachsund out of control" with the same level of response.

I'm not one of those people who own dangerous, large dog breeds, so the law serves me very well. Thank you for asking.

@Louise0808 me too, it's my relaxing time and it's not very relaxing when you don't know what's going to come hurtling around the corner, I don't understand people who see it as a social activity and will actively look for someone to let their dog run up to so they can have a chat. just want to go to where i'm trying to go and have fun with my dogs

I don't know how much it's followed but I read that Ireland has a much larger list of restricted breeds that need to be muzzled and I'd be all for that. Doodles are annoying when they run up to me, but I don't worry like I do when a gsd or something runs up to me and I've had a gsd and a mastiff before so I'm not unfamiliar with the breed. Just not optimistic of how my spaniel and whippet I have now would fare against one in a bad mood.

But the majority of people who own these sorts of dogs aren't the ones who are going to comply with any level of legislation, let's be honest.

Wouldn't have worded it like this but I'm inclined to agree.

I'm so sick of all iTs OwNeR nOt ThE bReEd comments. It actually is the breed this time. They've been mad made to be aggressive and they are not sane. I'm sure there are some 'nice' ones about but it's been proven time and time again that they can just flip. I wonder how many more people need to be killed by them before the idiot owners realise.

@QueenCamilla. I'm glad you feel safer but there is not enough police to enforce this ban in every area across the country so I do think a second law needs to be considered. There Is also not enough kennel space for this level of dogs.

All I can say for the owner of that particular dog is that he/she was very irresponsible. Sport dogs are not trained in public spaces by irresponsible owners. Pitbulls are a sport working dog. I dont believe just anyone should own one.

Grandmother mauled to death by two 'unregistered XL Bullies' in Essex named after man,... - LBC. I hope the owner gets prison. Poor lady

Did this occur to you just recently or have you always felt this way?

I wouldn't want to be muzzling my dachsund in public places.
He has crap recall and doesn't come off the lead.
I also don't encourage people to stroke him as dogs on leads have personal space too.

Likewise I wouldn't expect you to muzzle your bully in public. I'd expect you to have excellent recall with your dog or have them on a lead. I'm actually not a great fan of dogs off leads in public spaces.

What I've described are reasonable owners.

I wouldn't own a bully because I'd struggle to handle it, I'm not great with big dogs. There are bully's near me with decent owners, they're lovely dogs.

My sausage dog has taken the side off my finger when playing, and I wasn't paying attention. He's not going to kill, but could cause damage.

It's not the dogs that need punishing and vetting. It's the owners.
I agree, bad owners are not likely to be complying any time soon.

Right, but now there’s a way to tackle them. Last week the irresponsible dickheands with XLs were effectively above the law, there was sod all you could do about them.
Now you can report them and the police can act if necessary.

Exactly!

I'm not disagreeing with anyone. Certain breeds are bred for a purpose. Pitbulls, xl bullies are bred for a purpose that does not suit being pets. I actually agree with you. My dogs are a guarding breed. Completely different purpose. But that is still owner fault. The breed and dog didn't choose the home. Its uneducated people thinking " oh I'm going to buy a pit" when they have no business owning one. But the same for gsd. My eldest son has been attacked by one and left scared. Another was barking at him with intent to follow it through. If my guarding breed wasnt present to deter this dog i dont know what woild have happened. Large breeds need responsible owners. So banning all large breeds eventually which is what may happen isn't a way to resolve this. The govermemt need to come down on people. Run some test and licensing on people. Are they capable of owning a gsd ? No, OK then they can't have one. Are they capable of having a rottweiler? No, OK then they can't have one.

FruitBat53 · Today 14:43

But the majority of people who own these sorts of dogs aren't the ones who are going to comply with any level of legislation, let's be honest.”

Quite. Sadly, PTS is the only way.

Unfortunately you can't legislate for stupid....

@Rowgtfc72 but that makes you responsible. You said you wouldn't own a Bully because you couldn't handle it. That's what people should think about. I'd never own a dog I couldn't keep safe or everyone else safe around. I bought them, I chose them. That's on me. And I've never had an issue. My dogs don't go up to anyone or any dogs. They are very snobby on a walk lol. They have one purpose in their life, protect their own. Its what they were made for. So socialising, playing with other dogs or being stroked by strangers is of no interest to them. But that also comes with a huge responsibility. I do not walk around at night on my own with my dogs because if someome tried to attack me they would do what they are meant to do. So to me that would be irresponsible on my part, almost like im setting them up.

Large breeds need responsible owners. So banning all large breeds eventually which is what may happen isn't a way to resolve this.
Surely that's exactly how to resolve it? If all dogs too big to be overpowered by a person are banned, that will phase them out, therefore overall there will be fewer fatalities and serious injuries.

With the poor lady today, the family says there were 2 XL bullies but also 6 XL puppies. I thought they shouldn't be bred now???
It's often visitors the house that get attacked and I can't understand why you would visit a house with those dogs in. The owner went out and left the poor lady (and her grandson who I guess lives there) with them!