Xl bully ban

[Louise0808]

I have quite a big opinion on the banned dog list. It doesn't work for a start. I genuinely do believe the goverment have to do 1 of these things. Bring in a responsible dog owner law. Not just large dogs though, im sick of being attacked by small dogs too. Or make a law where every single dog is muzzled in public regardless of breed. I know the argument of large dogs cause more damage but a bite is a bite and regardless of size or damage it shouldn't be tolerated. Everyone deserves to be safe. I know someone will say my dog doesn't need a muzzle they've done nothing wrong but neither have mine and I've had to exempt my 2 american bulldogs which are a completely different breed because the criteria covers their breed too ( measurements).
And then today another fatality from xl bullies. Its ridiculous. I'm so sick of crappy people ruining dog ownership for the rest of us and taking peoples lives or causing injuries because they are irresponsible as. I'm not overly fussed by the exemption or the muzzles. It doesn't bother me. I know alot of people fear large dogs and it's my choice to have them. So they are well trained and now will be muzzled. That's fine. But what is being done to stop this happening again to another breed?
This banned list just doesn't work. There needs to be something else.
How do you personally think things should go?

It was illegal to breed after the 31st of December. The female could have already had them or been pregnant.

Again comes down to being responsible. A young lad from my area was left alone with a large breed and lost his life. You do NOT leave your powerful breed with anyone alone. You just don't.

No sorry I don't think banning all large breeds is right. I understand alot of people are scared of large breeds but you can't tarnish them all for another breed/dogs actions. Dog behaviour experts have even said you cannot predict a dogs behaviour for a fact. For example labradors love to retrieve. But there will always be the few that don't. It can't be predicted. Especially if you factor in large cross breeds. There is no telling what behaviours they have inherited. It may look like a gsd but have the behaviour of a poodle. You just can't tell.
I also think the " kill them all" mentally for something people do not understand or fear is wrong.

Apparently he had them advertised for sale in November at £500 each according to someone I spoke to .

You can't ban just big dogs. Because then you have a country where small dog bites are OK? A beagle biting a child on the arm is going to leave the same teeth mark amd scar as a gsd biting an adult on the arm. Bites at all should not be tolerated. That's the point of this post. I've said from the start new laws need to come in. Because from what I'm seeing its " I don't mind being bit by a medium or small dog, or a child being bit by one but not these large things".
No. That mentally is wrong. Nobody should be getting bitten. By any size dog. Irresponsible owners are irresponsible regardless of breed. Bring in an ownership law or muzzle them all. The only way to actually stop ALL dog bites is muzzles.
I cant believe people are actually choosing which breeds they don't mind getting bit by. If me or my children are bit by any type of dog it'll be handled the same way. Police and euthanized. I wouldnt care if it was a toy poodle or a rotti.

I love dogs and have 2 myself.

Nobody needs a large breed dog that has been developed purely for fighting.

You might like their esthetics, or their temprament, but there are literally 100's of dogs available with similar looks or temperament without the power to kill.

Because that's what we are looking at.

We need to start categorising dogs and extend the ban. Easily done via a dog tax & local register. This than need rigorously enforced.

Nobody is saying it's fine to be bitten by a smaller dog. I'm recognising that the size of the dog is a factor in whether someone survives a dog attack.

My son would like a tiger. He’s wanted one for years.

I don’t understand why that is so clearly unreasonable, whereas someone wanting a wolf or XL bully isn’t.

I cant believe people are actually choosing which breeds they don't mind getting bit by

🤣 ... another way of looking at the issue...

Of course it's completely unacceptable for any dog to attack, but the probability of a Yorkshire terrier killing someone or causing very serious injuries is presumably minuscule compared to an XL bully. There should be consequences for all irresponsible owners, but I don't think small dogs need to be legislated against as a preventative measure as much as big ones.

I don't own breeds bred for fighting and I have no interest in owning one. I do agree that no one should own them. I'm just getting a point across for the other larger breeds that are not bred for fighting. All dogs of any size should be held to the same laws. I dont think thats a bad thing to say? All owners should be held to the same laws. That's fair I think.

Have you always felt that all fogs ought to be muzzled? Or has this only occurred to you since you have needed to muzzle yours?

a lot of countries in main land Europe charge additional taxes to people who have pets. I think it’s a good idea to force responsible ownership and make it easier to trace animals when something goes wrong

*dogs not fogs!

When I lived abroad, dogs over a certain weight think it was 25 kilos but I could be mis remembering, had to be muzzled in public. Having said that there were a huge number of large stray dogs roaming about but tbf none of them ever appeared to be aggressive although the dog catchers were always out in force. Maybe this is, sadly, the way to go. I'm a huge dog lover- I've had them all my life but clearly all these dog attacks need to be addressed robustly - I now have a smaller dog due to age and health issues but I'm genuinely getting increasingly anxious about these terrible owners with untrained large animals.

@Facetube I've always thought it. Dog attacks have been a problem for a very long time. Big and small. I understand the fear people have. Like I said my own son has been attacked and left scarred from a gsd. If it was muzzled that wouldn't have happened.

Let's take xl bullies out of this for a minute because their ban is already in place. There's no reversing that. But what breed is next?
Mine are not xl bullies, I want to make that very clear. Mine are exempt because they meet the minimum measurements. For some reason rishi never put the max height for an xl bully in the legislation so there was no stopping point. So any dog over that height was at risk. I made a responsible decision to save my dogs being seized.
The muzzles and lead do not bother me or them. We do what is asked and we keep moving along. Will the public feel safer passing my dogs with muzzles on? Yes I expect so amd I'm glad they feel safer. But my point is killing them all isn't right, by all I mean large dogs. There is a way to keep large dogs ( excluding xl bullies and pitbulls here) safely and responsibly. We don't have to witch hunt kill them all is my point.
Why cant every owner and every breed be held to the exact same laws.

@neilyoungismyhero
I do not blame you for being concerned. We all are.

Possibly dogs over a certain weight muzzled would work but I also think any dog regardless of size that is aggressive or has a history of biting should be held to the same laws.

I'd go above and beyond to make people feel safe around my dogs and trust me as their handler. So muzzling them isn't an issue. But if i walk past a labrador and get snapped at, its only right that dog is muzzled. Same for all dogs.

Surely we should all be agreeing on this? All dogs are held to the same law.

Because every breed simply do not behave that way? My golden retriever was only interested in his tennis ball and fuss from everyone.

’protect it’s own’ - your words op. Protect from what? In the UK, no one, unless you’re a criminal, needs a dog to protect their person or property. Crime is consistently falling. That is a statistical fact. You do not need a dog for security, and if your lifestyle requires that, YOU are the problem.

Small dogs just don't do the same damage a large ''Hold and rag'' bite style does.
I looked on Dogsbite.org and was appalled at the truly horrific damage mastiff and bull breeds do to human flesh.
It's like the human has been attacked by a chainsaw.

When I was bitten {three times to date} twice by Jack Russells and once by a straying Lurcher I was foolishly trying to catch as it was on a busy road..it just resulted in a bruising and a small puncture {The Lurcher bite was through thick clothing, luckily}

These bites were very minor.

The serious maulings large dogs do are a different thing entirely.

This Pitbull is ''Ragging'' it's owner {She survived} it is wagging it's tail with joy as it shakes her in the lift.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10641279/Terrifying-moment-woman-25-severely-mauled-pet-pit-bull.html

I’d be quite happy for all dog owners to have to pay an annual fee for a mandatory dog licence. I’m also at the point where I’d like it to be illegal for any dog to be offlead in a public place. Sadly there are far too many dog owners who don’t keep their dogs under control. I love dogs but I don’t like irresponsible dog owners.

@Louise0808 one huge issue is that many large guard & hunting breeds are also good fighters. They had to be, how else would they bring down larger animals such as bear, lions or give a pack of wolves a run for their money.

Obviously such a dog would also double up as a guard dog, so had to have the ability to react quickly to human thread while being fiercely loyal and attached to their owners.

We are talking about 100's of years of selective breeding. These traits are not eradicated within a few decades.

Unfortunately there will always be people who are going to exploit these traits.
It's also down to us as a society to ensure people are safe from these dogs and their moron owners. So if a large dog has to wear a muzzle in public, so be it.

Why do you own “guard dogs” then? Do you live on a large building site or somewhere else large and highly likely to be violently robbed of high value items?

@MrsKwazi .
That is a fair comment but I'd like to clarify. I didnt buy my dogs for protection. I like large breeds, I researched many for over 3 years to make sure I chose the right dog with as little drive as I could. A dog that suited our home and my handling and our lifestyle.
They were bred for guarding is what I said. I also stated with Any breed there is a responsibility that comes with it. So as I said above I wouldnt for instance walk alone at night with my dogs in a rough area because if someone tried to attack me of course dogs would react. So to me that would be irresponsible. They were bred to guard does not mean they are used for that. Its our job as owners to only have breeds we understand, can control and keep safe.
And like most dogs they protect their owners. Nearly all dogs do that. My breed were just bred specifically for that.

So out of all the potential large breeds, you chose an American bulldog? Can you please elaborate on what traits this breed has that make them a more suitable pet than say a Labrador, or any of the other multiple types of large dogs out there?

OP - your post is a bit of if my dogs have to be muzzled all dogs have to be muzzled Mine are trained and they’re not all the same etc
fact is…
there are too many xl bullies kept be people for seriously nefarious reasons
deed not breed is total nonsense.
they blight neighbourhoods
people and other dogs have been attacked.
Many people have been killed.
At some point, SOMETHING has to be done.
What is your solution then, coz muzzling all dogs is not it.

I definitely agree that there are way too many irresponsible owners out there.

A postwoman was very seriously bitten by a neighbour's Golden Retriever, her hand was bitten to the bone in several places, and torn and lacerated as the poor postwoman was trying to tear her hand away , causing the Retriever to pull back.

The poor postwoman needed lots of surgery on her hand {I was a witness, so we gave her first aid and another neighbour took her to hospital}

Labradors and plenty of other breeds can be a bite risk.
when walking one's dog, it's often possible to tell what the dodgy dogs are.

It's LOVELY when owners are responsible, when they clip their dog onto it's leash when they see one approaching, and of course, I do the same and give each other a wide berth.

My dog is gentle and quiet, and because of this she can get bullied and harassed by other dogs.

Our Mum was knocked over by large dogs on Sheen Common and the 'Walkers' did nothing. She was so frightened.

Let's not pretend that all large breeds are the problem here, if they were then the law would have changed to reflect that.

You even admit that your dogs would get aggressive when they think they are protecting 'their own', that's often how these maulings happen. The dogs think they are being protective. They absolutely should be muzzled. I just hope there isn't any type of messing around in your house where the dogs go for someone to protect their family.

Let's also not pretend that you had this energy for all dogs being muzzled before the 31st December. It smacks of "well I have to do it, so everyone else should too".