Xl bully ban

[Louise0808]

I have quite a big opinion on the banned dog list. It doesn't work for a start. I genuinely do believe the goverment have to do 1 of these things. Bring in a responsible dog owner law. Not just large dogs though, im sick of being attacked by small dogs too. Or make a law where every single dog is muzzled in public regardless of breed. I know the argument of large dogs cause more damage but a bite is a bite and regardless of size or damage it shouldn't be tolerated. Everyone deserves to be safe. I know someone will say my dog doesn't need a muzzle they've done nothing wrong but neither have mine and I've had to exempt my 2 american bulldogs which are a completely different breed because the criteria covers their breed too ( measurements).
And then today another fatality from xl bullies. Its ridiculous. I'm so sick of crappy people ruining dog ownership for the rest of us and taking peoples lives or causing injuries because they are irresponsible as. I'm not overly fussed by the exemption or the muzzles. It doesn't bother me. I know alot of people fear large dogs and it's my choice to have them. So they are well trained and now will be muzzled. That's fine. But what is being done to stop this happening again to another breed?
This banned list just doesn't work. There needs to be something else.
How do you personally think things should go?

I'm told home made pepper spray in the face deters dogs that run up to you. Might teach their idiot owners to leash them too.

But surely the question is why does anybody need to own one?

I agree with you. I live in a rural village and a while ago, someone had the cheek to post on the village Facebook page because the farmer had moved his sheep to a field with a right of way adjoining, where their ‘fur babies’ were exercising off lead! It was his own field, in a rural farming community! All they had to do was put a lead on them! I think this is why we can’t rely on folks to be responsible. I don’t know where it will all end but it’s depressing and disappointing that we care so little for our fellow human beings.

A few weeks ago, in the North East of Scotland, two OAP's were attacked by their grandson's XL Bully when they entered the house to feed him. The victims have said that the dog, who was known to them, had not shown any previous aggressive tendencies. Three weeks on, the male victim is still in hospital, traumatised and requiring several surgeries. The wife believes that she would have been killed if her husband had not intervened to protect her. She sustained bites, he also had ripped flesh, including to his face.
There is no doubt in my mind that it's the breed. As the pp has said, they can just flip.

I'm going to say this as someone who loves Staffies. Ours was a rescue, really small for breed and missing a leg. Even aged 13+ he was very, very strong. He was also as soft as lights and the only harm in his life was done to him (lots) but magnify that strength to a dog several times his size, with a bad breeding history and fuckwit owner who wants a "hard" dog and ...well, we've seen the outcome, too many times.

I'm sure there are some great, well trained XL bullies out there but I'm afraid I don't want to take the chances with a dog that can't be controlled by a grown adult and is seemingly inevitably around kids who would have little chance of survival during an attack. We're talking about them being off lead/unmuzzled but todays attack and many before have happened indoors.

Sorry, I don't think they should be around and any breed that takes their place (and it will) should be intervened with much earlier than this point, including serious penalties for the owners.

Farmer ought to get his 12 Bore out, That might make them keep their dogs on a leash!

They’ve been bred for violence. The pit bull ban was proven to work so I can’t see why this wouldn’t work.

there are some great large dogs - Burmese mountain dogs, for example, don’t seem to have the same tendencies. My cocker walks round with an intact egg without piercing it. Some dogs are not suitable as pets. With good owners they may be lucky but they’re bred for fighting. I blame the humans but that doesn’t mean the dogs are safe to live.

@flashmcdoodle

There are numerous XL Bully sites all over FB openly offering pups for "adoption"

I'm a bit naive I realise. I've read more and the owner was trying to sell the pups. The lady who was killed was visiting her grandson, who is the child of the dogs' owner and of her late daughter who died 2 years ago. She had apparently said the dogs were dangerous but she must have really wanted to see her grandson - he's a strong link to her late daughter. So tragic. And thanks to her irresponsible ex son in law the grandson has now lost his grandmother, having lost his mum 2 years ago.
No doubt he'll try to avoid prison by pointing out that he's the boy's only surviving parent.

The banned list never actually worked. That's been proven by experts in the meetings. It was intended to decrease dog bites. But it hasn't. It was also to stop pitbulls being bred. It hasn't.
There has to be something else the goverment can do to ensure dog bites actually decrease. By all breeds. And yes especially the fatal ones ( I'm not disputing the damage). Background checks on owners? Licensing? Training etc. There is definitely a different more successful way to keep people safe. It just takes time and money and I dont think the goverment will do it.

That man needs life in prison, end of. He is an awful person and I'm sure I'd get blocked from here if I really wrote what I think of him. I havent once defended any person whose dog has attacked anyone. I never would. I'm just defending the responsible people

I havent once defended any person whose dog has attacked anyone. I never would. I'm just defending the responsible people

OP, in the case I mentioned, the owner WAS a responsible owner. When his dog attacked his grandparents, it was completely unprovoked and against previously exhibited behaviour. Within days of the attack, the (responsible) owner took his dog to the vet's where it was pts. This breed is both unpredictable and extremely strong, with powerful jaws. It is not a suitable pet.

@highlandcoos
Sorry I missed your original comment

I mean this is still down to responsible ownership isn't it.
You could argue its irresponsible to allow anyone over to feed the dog without the owner present. Especially young or old, who are alot more vulnerable. Even if they do know the dog.

I never go on holiday unless my dogs come with us. I do not use a dog walker or sitter. They are my responsibility and I chose a powerful breed. Which require specific handling and training. Its a chore having these breeds I will never deny that.

He did the right thing by putting it down in my opinion. And im glad they are alive. Those types of dogs tend to go all in when they go.

Sorry, I also agree xl bullies are not a suitable pet. I wont disagree with that.

This is a ''Pro Pit'' kennels who are speaking out about the slaughter of Mia Derouen by the XL Pitbully that is related to so many in UK.
''Killer Kimbo'' line.

The owner of the killer XL {that took Eleven rounds of high powered ammo to subdue it} said that

''It was Mia's dawg, it was really sweet''

Then it turned as mom and daughter were watching TV.

The interview is scary - it shows how unstable these are.

That poor, sweet little girl. I have two little granddaughters of this age and I could weep. A child’s life gone - for the sake of a dog - what are people thinking? I wonder what the ‘my baby wouldn’t hurt a fly’ brigade who post pictures of these beasts with their children, think when they read about children like Mia? These idiots will have said the same until it killed their little girl. I actually think that children forced to live with dogs like this should be on the at risk register.

When they made a new law it should have been to destroy them all. Spot one, report it, destroy it....

People can't be trusted to be fucking decent human beings and respect one another as proved by the utter waster who owned these wretched creatures.

I hope sense prevailed and the lot were PTS. Shame he couldn't have been PTS with them.

There has to be something else the goverment can do to ensure dog bites actually decrease. By all breeds. And yes especially the fatal ones ( I'm not disputing the damage). Background checks on owners? Licensing? Training etc. There is definitely a different more successful way to keep people safe. It just takes time and money and I dont think the goverment will do it.
A licence system; to get a licence you have to show proof of third party insurance (with the insurer obliged to inform the licensing council if it lapses or is cancelled) and, if you are getting a powerful breed, background checks. ££ coughed up accordingly, used to finance a decent dog warden system. And with the licence comes a bright orange tag that MUST be on your dog's collar at all times. Any dog seen out without the collar tag, with or without the owner, can be immediately picked up and impounded.

If enforced, that would at least provide some sort of a check on the muscle-breed/ knuckle-head fraternity.

Keeping dogs on leads all the time is shockingly poor for their welfare, especially high-energy breeds. It's also worth mentioning that many livestock attacks happen when dogs have ripped the leads out of their owner's hands. This is one reason why I have spent time, money and effort stock-proofing my dogs.

So your dogs are so powerful and "protective" that nobody else can ever risk getting near them? I'm not quite sure how you can ever describe owning them as "responsible".

@EdithStourton
That doesn't sound all that difficult, does it. I'm sure most could do those measures.

Out of curiosity, how did you livestock proof them? I'm wondering if we used the same method. Bulldogs were at a time used to hog hunt, so I needed to make sure IF that dna ever arose, I was capable of dealing with it. We walk remotely alot and there is livestock around. This was before the ban so they were off lead and safe.

@Butterdishy my dogs are guarding breeds. As I've stated. I have never said that people cannot get " near " them? My dogs have no interest in running off meeting other dogs or greeting random people. It's recall and purpose. Of course people CAN come near them. They go to the vets, family visit. Its about being responsible. I wouldnt lend someone my car because they've had a car before? They could crash it. Its my car. Same with the dogs. My choice of breed, my dogs, my responsibility. Always will be. Say I had someone come see to my dogs whilst I'm away, to feed them. And say my dogs all of a sudden decided to be food aggressive towards eachother ( they arent food aggressive but im using an example). A dog fight breaks out. The person feeding them decides to intervene and gets hurt. Whose fault is that? Mine. Whose head does it fall on? Mine.

My dogs are guarding breeds. Which are common. Most dogs are. Guarding does not mean aggressive. Same as aggression isn't always guarding. My dogs will do nothing to anyway unless I am threatened or my children are threatened In our home. Which legally they are allowed to do. Dangerous dog act is void if a dog attacks someone who unlawfully enters your home/property. Even the law agree my dogs are allowed to protect us. I'm concerned why people don't think that is OK?

I cant believe people are actually choosing which breeds they don't mind getting bit by. If me or my children are bit by any type of dog it'll be handled the same way. Police and euthanized. I wouldnt care if it was a toy poodle or a rotti

I do agree with the above, I’m always perplexed by people who seem to think small dogs bites are OK. No they’re not. I don’t want anyone’s dog being able to easily snap at me. I’ve heard many stories of people being randomly bit by dogs they were walking past in pubs, restaurants or crowded urban areas.

I was in a train recently and a jack Russell was in front of me, hadn’t noticed when I sat down. I dropped something and went to pick it up and since the daft owner wasn’t paying attention the dog which had moved into my seating area made a move towards it. Thankfully I was way quicker but if I hadn’t noticed it and went to retrieve the item I dropped and it bit me mistakenly or otherwise I’d have been furious as well as unable to get proper medical attention until we reached the next stop . I ended up moving carriages actually as I didn’t want the dog in my space.

I’ve looked at the laws in Germany and they are a dog friendly country but have very strict laws about lengths of leases and wearing muzzles in busy areas and dogs allowed only in certain carriages of trains etc. we need to look into something like that.

It's increasing likely the public will call for the extermination of all XLBs

Compliance with the current legislation has been low, and the incidents appear to be continuing.

I do feel sorry for owners of genuinely well behaved dogs, but I'm afraid you have chosen a bred that has attracted bad owners who like the bred for its potential to be aggressive.

Honestly, go and talk to a competent gundog trainer. Gundogs have to be steady around stock.

This is a good point . People often ignore the environmental impact of dogs.

And yes far too many bad owners. It’s all very well people saying it’s not the breed/dog it’s the owner but what comfort is that to someone after they’ve been jumped on, clawed or even bitten or had their pet attacked?

It’s just out of control IMO, I know I’m not alone in being wary of jogging in parks or having picnics in them because some parks have owners who think it’s fine for their dogs to disrupt your picnic or chase joggers and cyclists. With all the council tax we pay I resent that there’s no park I can go to (that I’m aware of)that won’t have off-leash dogs so I just avoid altogether.

Also some parks are being turned into giant toilets with poo bags hanging everywhere or worse still dog crap on grass and paths.
I’d suggest at a minimum they make sure people who own dogs have gardens.

I live in a block of flats and some selfish owner let their dog pee in the lift and didn’t clean it up. Thankfully she was caught on cctv and given a warning by the building management so it’s not happened again but I don’t get why they’re allowing residents to own dogs anyway or at the very least they should limit it to the ground floor flats. There’s no reason for people to have dogs on the upper floors of a flat. Excuse the pun, but dogs urinating or worse in the lift is an accident waiting to happen.

It’s a difficult call because what’s in their nature is in their nature. There is an owner input but only to a certain extent.

Though what I would add is I’ve owned a staffy, collie, German shepherd and rottie, none of them ever went for/growled at a person/child or done more than growl at another dog but the staffy got properly bitten by a Jack Russell (staffy on lead JR who came to her not) and there was very much the well my dogs little so you should just accept it move on feeling… this would never have been the case if it was the other way round. I split them before my dog could retaliate but I shouldn’t need to do that hence my point being it’s not always the breed.

Mine haven't been targeted yet, but as they met the very poor guidelines put out, I exempted them anyway. But you are right.
I have had bull breeds all my life. My old staffie boy is turning 12 now. And the bulldogs are 7. They won't last much past 10, to be honest. And they will most likely be my very last bull breeds. I love the breed, I think they are trainable, easy to have in the house, etc, but as you've said, I've picked a type of dog people like to abuse.
And it won't be long until american bulldogs are next. And I will miss having one. I know people don't understand it, but I never understand why anyone chooses some of the dogs I see walking about.
But I still stand by more needs to be done. Regardless if I own a large breed or not. These people need to be held accountable for the death and destruction they have inflicted on families. And dog owners should have a license and criteria to meet. I do believe this is how you keep people safe and the dogs safe. It may be something to look at starting.