Xl bully ban

[Louise0808]

I have quite a big opinion on the banned dog list. It doesn't work for a start. I genuinely do believe the goverment have to do 1 of these things. Bring in a responsible dog owner law. Not just large dogs though, im sick of being attacked by small dogs too. Or make a law where every single dog is muzzled in public regardless of breed. I know the argument of large dogs cause more damage but a bite is a bite and regardless of size or damage it shouldn't be tolerated. Everyone deserves to be safe. I know someone will say my dog doesn't need a muzzle they've done nothing wrong but neither have mine and I've had to exempt my 2 american bulldogs which are a completely different breed because the criteria covers their breed too ( measurements).
And then today another fatality from xl bullies. Its ridiculous. I'm so sick of crappy people ruining dog ownership for the rest of us and taking peoples lives or causing injuries because they are irresponsible as. I'm not overly fussed by the exemption or the muzzles. It doesn't bother me. I know alot of people fear large dogs and it's my choice to have them. So they are well trained and now will be muzzled. That's fine. But what is being done to stop this happening again to another breed?
This banned list just doesn't work. There needs to be something else.
How do you personally think things should go?

I like bull breeds.
Which I know may sound crazy given the conversation and how many people dislike them. But I've had bull breeds since I was a kid. They are the type of breed I am familiar with and comfortable with. I wouldn't buy a breed I have no interest or a tonne of knowledge on. Surely that would be irresponsible?

No honestly I don't mean it to come across as my dogs wear one so everyone's does. That is honestly not what I mean.
I think all dogs and owners should be held to the same law. Everyone. To me its black and white. Held to the same law. That's how my mind sees it. Because that's fair and the right thing to do. Muzzling all is the onlt way to stop ALL dog attacks I said but clearly that will not happen. I also said why isn't there a owners license of some sort? Prove you are a responsible handler etc. I mean even the police have to do training to make sure they can handle a gsd. So this type of thing is done on a smaller scale.

I have to disagree I have watched alot of these videos of xl bully attacks. The ones that are recorded atleast and they were not protecting anything. That was prey drive. Which is stalk, chase, capture, consume. That's literally what it is.

Some breeds have it more then most.

I'd make it mandatory to complete a course before owning a dog covering the basics and clarifying the level of commitment involved.

With a classified system of legal responsibilities according to size, weight and tendencies of breed.

I think dog ownership should be discouraged tbh, too many people are bad owners and they just eat and shit a ton of food (usually meat) when humans are going without. Bad for the environment. That's not anti dog, I love them but I think the commitment should be taken more seriously and the consequences thought about more.

I would appreciate it if people read ALL my comments.
I am not pro xl or pitbull. I've made that clear. I have no interest in ever owning a breed with drive like they have. I also do not overly care that they are banned. I do however worry for all breeds when scumbags target them as the next best seller.

The initial suggestion was should another law come into play as in a ownership license and test type thing. Tax? Insurance? A registry?
The muzzles conversation is me saying literally the only way to stop ALL dog attacks would be to muzzle all dogs. Which is true. If all dogs wore muzzles there would be no dog bites. Right. If people followed the law obviously. But thats really a side discussion to what I originally brought up.
Of course the goverment won't make all dogs wear muzzles so there is really no need to be defensive over smaller dogs. It was just a fact I stated. Muzzles equal no bites.

So again should a responsible dog ownership license or test come into place? That seems the onlt way to stop idiots having dogs they shouldn't have. And certain breeds not being over bred to this extent which increases all these attacks.

@oakleaffy a wagging tail does not always mean a happy dog.

@NoCloudsAllowed .

Good suggestion. I do think dog ownership should be taken more seriously, 100%.
I think alot of people see them as an accessory rather than what they are. They are an animal with needs and instincts. Irresponsible people should not have them.

YES! That is indeed what it is..'Stalk, Chase, Capture , Consume.

They aren't defending but getting off on the chasing and capturing and mauling .

Here is a small sighthound {leashed} eyeballing a squirrel. She is completely ignoring the high value dried liver treats in the owner's hand.

This is the 'Stalk' phase.

I do know that, but every video of a mauling Pit or XL Bully shows it's tail wagging with glee.
A Vet's family on here who witnessed their pet dog being slaughtered by an XL Bully also said it's tail was wagging with delight during the attack .

Exactly. Some breeds have higher prey drive then others. I chose a breed with little drive and theyve never displayed any in 7 years. Prey drive can be a lot to handle. I've seen one dog get run over and lose its tail by chasing a squirrel.
These xl bully attacks where that. The ones I've seen anyway, I cant comment on all of course. These dogs are too driven for the general public

The issue really is breeds that are bred to bite and grip on to their “prey” - those are the ones that do the most damage. These are the ones that, most of the time, are going to cause significant injury to the recipient- be it another dog or a person. There’s a big difference between being snapped at, and being mauled. All those should only be owned with a licence (although I appreciate that is unrealistic). The only people I know with a guarding breed have them for that purpose. They are not pets. And they would happily pay for whatever licensing was required.

I also think people are too flippant about any breed showing aggression. The retriever discussed above- had that been my dog, it would have been euthanised immediately. Especially in “friendlier” or “smaller” breeds- these are not behaviours people take seriously enough. There seems to be a rising issue with inter-dog aggression as well. Again, regardless of the breed, any signs of this and they should be muzzled and on a lead at all times in public. Dog ownership in this country in general seems to have lost it’s mind- and people are much less keen to take responsibility for the animals they own.

@feelingalittlehorse.

I think you are right. I do think people are too flippant about aggression. I would happily pay whatever to own my dogs, I mean I have. I've exempted them when they arent xl. I have had a dog witness ( they type the dogs for court) tell me he can have them removed off the register when deffra allow it ( that was mentioned on the gov website) because they clearly aren't xl. But I've chose to leave them on it. It makes no difference to us. But would I have rather gone through a dog handling test, licensing, insurance and any other hoop? Yes. Muzzle still included? Yeah. To set an example. Big dogs can be owned responsibly and safely by decent people.

I really hope they make the ban stricter now and all XL Bully’s need to be put down.

@Lemsipper That's fine. I understand why people think that way and want that.

A quick google suggest most (one site said 70%?) happen in the home. Anybody know where you can find reputabke stats? Because if that is the case, a blanket muzzle rule won’t make much of a difference to bites

With a tail high up over the back like that, the dog is wagging it's tail in aggression, not joy or glee.

I don’t know OP, I suggest our end goals are the same. I am a huge dog lover and our dog brought so much to our lives. I would like to think that everyone can have that same experience. But clearly things can’t continue as they are and while the ban is not ideal, it is something.

I've never found a list that states the environment the bites took place in. Vets? Home? Public? I've never seen it.

If what you say is correct then no a blanket muzzle wouldn't make a difference so again i think licensing and monitoring who has what type of dog is crucial.

They are clearly revelling in the surge of joy of bloodshed and flesh and bone in their mouths.

They have been selected for it.
They get off on mauling.
They love it.

@MrsKwazi. I imagine we do. It's a hard position to be in.

I wish there was a middle ground. I for one love big dogs and I'd be sad to see them all disappear. But I know when the wrong people buy these dogs there are a huge risk to everyone around them.

How do you personally think things should go?

I think the police should have far more power to remove (and put down) dogs earlier. For example, the man who was killed by two dogs last year in his mother's garden. The owner of those two XL bullies had already been spoken to by the police on two occasions after the dogs were aggressive. Given that there'll be plenty of times people don't report, or police don't attend, I think the police attending twice shows it was pretty bad. Why couldn't they have been removed sooner, why did it have to get to them mauling someone to death?
I've no issue with BSL as well, but I'd say the above should apply to all dogs, regardless of breed. No one should have the right to keep a dangerous animal.

To have such a polarised view, you must be easily led and have a very simplistic view of the world. It must be nice to live in such a bubble but you are so completely wrong and need educating.

@CrispsandCheeseSandwich totally agree.

If the the dogs that killed the Grandmother yesterday were unregistered XL Bullys I really hope the owner get the maximum 14 years sentence to prove the government mean business with this legislation.

@CrispsandCheeseSandwich completely agree. The young boy around here who was mauled. That dog had already been aggressive before and the owner was spoken to. It should have been seized and put down. And that little boy wouldn't have lost his life.

Exactly what another poster said. People are to flippant with aggression.

@MrsKwazi “protect it’s own’ - your words op. Protect from what? In the UK, no one, unless you’re a criminal, needs a dog to protect their person or property.”

i can tell you don’t run a country business 🤣🤣🤣 Guard dogs are commonplace if you have plant, equipment, and stock in isolated rural premises. It’s the only thing that the thieving are scared of. Loads of premises of all kinds use guard dogs, this is hardly news. Just try breaking into a scrappies or agricultural contractors yard at night if you don’t believe me. Just off the top of my head I can think of a dozen local premises that have guard dogs, including a family member’s equestrian yard and family farm.