Xl bully ban

[Louise0808]

I have quite a big opinion on the banned dog list. It doesn't work for a start. I genuinely do believe the goverment have to do 1 of these things. Bring in a responsible dog owner law. Not just large dogs though, im sick of being attacked by small dogs too. Or make a law where every single dog is muzzled in public regardless of breed. I know the argument of large dogs cause more damage but a bite is a bite and regardless of size or damage it shouldn't be tolerated. Everyone deserves to be safe. I know someone will say my dog doesn't need a muzzle they've done nothing wrong but neither have mine and I've had to exempt my 2 american bulldogs which are a completely different breed because the criteria covers their breed too ( measurements).
And then today another fatality from xl bullies. Its ridiculous. I'm so sick of crappy people ruining dog ownership for the rest of us and taking peoples lives or causing injuries because they are irresponsible as. I'm not overly fussed by the exemption or the muzzles. It doesn't bother me. I know alot of people fear large dogs and it's my choice to have them. So they are well trained and now will be muzzled. That's fine. But what is being done to stop this happening again to another breed?
This banned list just doesn't work. There needs to be something else.
How do you personally think things should go?

Are these dogs still allowed to be sold? I did a quick search on Pets4Homes and there are loads of them for sale.

I agree. Dna plays a huge part. I've never agreed with anyone having a pitbull or an xl which are closely related. Actually alot of breeds. I've seen inactive families with gsd and they wonder why the dog is running riot. I've seen chihuahuas biting people who pass them in the street. Because they treated it like a baby. The whole dog thing here has gone mental.

I was never against this breed being banned. How could I be? I've seen the damage they've done. I will say I've never liked american bullies. Pocket, classic or xl. Not my type of dog. Bulldogs are actually very different. If you know your breeds.

I avoid dog parks for that very reason. No one has control of their dog. They run riot whilst the owners chat away. It really annoys me

@AristotelianPhysics
No xl bullies are not to be sold, rehomed or gifted.
American bullies are allowed though. Pocket, classic American bullies aren't illegal.

Completely agree with you.
Pits and XL Bullies are massively the types involved in child and adult fatalities.
{not to mention the attacks on other dogs and cats}

I really hope that the scumbag who owned this dog goes to prison.

A police commissioner urged joe public to report unregistered XL dog owners. I guess the police comm also meant seeing XL dogs in public unmuzzled and dogs that appeared to be out of control

I heard on the raido news that only 30k XL dogs registered but 70k not!

I;m not sure if registration has to be renewed yearly as registration means dog is neutered, chipped and insured.

Thankfully we don't have any up our road but when we go for a walk by the river or park, in the warmer weather we see many people with dogs off the lead inc XL dogs and these just look fearsome and trust me, the person with them or close by, more often than not does not have the capacity to hold the dog back should it decide to go for any other dog, or human

I will be reporting lawbreakers and will call the non-emergency number unless dogs appear out of control.

We should all report suspected breaches of the law and you don't have to give your name if done via Crimestoppers.

NB: Not everyone likes dogs but most people like me do understand dogs make good companions and are a man's best friend but sadly quite a few people with bigger dogs have a dog to boost their little egos. No matter how good, little or big your dog is, I want them kept away from me as I don't feel comfortable and in turn that can make the dog uncomfortable,

I agree with you but the figures are much, much worse when taking into account the percentage of XL dogs in England and Wales which is a small percentage abut the nuber number of attacks

I read there are approx 12 million dogs in the UK and only about approx120k of them are XL buiilys but they account for 44% of reported attacks I read..

When you put it in those stark terms..it just shows how aggressive they are as a 'type'.
The inbreeding that must have gone on is shocking.
At least with a kennel Club registered dog you can check the coefficient of inbreeding.
This is the inbreeding of a dog we owned..less than a quarter of 1%

XL Bullies have a COI of 40%

Forty Percent.... That's just grotesque and can't be healthy for them.

Realistically, balancing freedom and protection, lack of resources and demands that tax cuts are made, not investment etc etc banning the most dangerous breeds is probably the only option. I looked at the Calgary model - unfeasible and expensive, probably why it has been watered down immensely. It also seemed to work OK until hurricane Katrina brought in a huge influx of pitbulls. Once they were a bigger percentage of the dog population it was back to bites and maulings.

Tightening up on licences for breeders tends to favour big scale operations. I don't want a puppy from a business. I want someone that breeds every few years, they seek out the best mate well in advance, get their dna checked, they are brought up in the house, handled by the grandkids, are devoted on for 2-3 months, have the best food, best toys,are on lifetime contracts.

Dog licences, well the already responsible will pay, criminals won't. There are no resources to enforce what little we have now, certainly not to police any extras

Most attacks take place in the home, so muzzling does little to protect people (probably will help attacks on other dogs, but again it is concentrated on a small number of breeds, do we restrict the rights of everyone because people choose awful dogs?)

We don't have solutions for any type of crime if the perpetrators either take prison time as an avoidable part of the job, or just go around in a permanent state of belief that they are somehow special and their actions will never lead to harsh consequences.

Like guns, sometimes you just have to do your best to try and make sure that idiots find it difficult to get hold of the ones that are most lethal. Breeds that were designed for bloodsports fall in that. There are hundreds of breeds not selectively bred so that they can bait bulls and win. And it probably does mean that the law plays catch up.

I don't think we can say that BSL doesn't work because we haven't truly tried it. XLs are a pitbull crossbreed, they should never have been in the country. Pretty much every dog involved in a fatality was already known to the police, we should be less lenient and take dogs away far quicker, whatever the breed.

Most attacks take place in the home, so muzzling does little to protect people (probably will help attacks on other dogs, but again it is concentrated on a small number of breeds, do we restrict the rights of everyone because people choose awful dogs?)

True but plenty of people are attacked outside the home too nowadays. And at least those inside the home with the exception of children (and I do feel so bad for kids who have no choice in the matter ) have consented to the risk - members of the public haven’t.

I don’t think it should be looked at as a massive restriction of rights. Germany is dog friendly and they impose various regulations around muzzles and short leases etc to make sure that everyone can co-exist more harmonious rather than a growing amount of dog owners causing issues for others which is making a lot of people including dog lovers increasingly intolerant of them.

We need to look towards licences because tax payers money is being stretched at the moment with whatever the tories are (mis) spending it on and dog owners should pay additional for their increased strain upon resources because we need more dog wardens and council workers on the look out for people who don’t properly clean up and dispose of their dogs mess.

You could say the same with tv licence - only certain people pay and yet they haven’t just abandoned that (although yeah they might in the future) I really don’t think “irresponsible people won’t pay” is a good argument for not rolling out the scheme at all

You only have to look at the hundreds of frightening videos featuring children and dogs (that are all too often showing concerning body language), captioned things like “Mi babi girl and my soppy pibble” to know that the vast majority of dog owners are morons.

FFS a huge proportion of dog TRAINERS are morons 🙄

There's a facebook group called 'XL BULLYS & LARGE BREEDS' which makes fascinating reading. The spelling and grammar will make you weep, let alone the utter disregard for public safety.

I'm hearing a lot about XXL Bullies but the solution seems to be, just neuter them and let the breed fade away.