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For Trans Allies: Petition to oppose draft Equality Act guidance on sex and gender

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HopefulPetitioner · 21/06/2026 09:17

Petition: Disapprove the draft Equality Act 2010 guidance laid on 21 May 2026

“I want the House of Commons to disapprove the Equality Act 2010: Draft Code of Practice for services, public functions and associations, 2026 laid on 21 May 2026”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/770527

Petition: Disapprove the draft Equality Act 2010 guidance laid on 21 May 2026

I want the House of Commons to disapprove the Equality Act 2010: Draft Code of Practice for services, public functions and associations, 2026 laid on 21 May 2026.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/770527

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Chersfrozenface · 22/06/2026 17:49

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 17:40

The petition is currently the second most active on the Government Petitions website.

They generally are in the first few days. Given that it was published on the 19th of June and it's the 22nd today, it's following the usual track.

DialSquare · 22/06/2026 17:55

Dick panderers gonna pander.

Imdunfer · 22/06/2026 17:58

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 15:18

It’s not my petition. I’m sharing it.

Yes, sharing it on the one forum where you know it will garner the least support and the most opposition.

Why?

3beesinmybonnet · 22/06/2026 18:22

Actually it's halfway down page 5

RareGoalsVerge · 22/06/2026 18:27

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 12:13

Something being legal doesn’t make it right.

Something being illegal doesn’t make it wrong.

Bad law makes problems worse, not better.

Luckily, we live in a democracy.

If the law isn’t fit for purpose it can be challenged and changed.

Absolutely. So stop campaigning against something that isn't legislation and that the cancellation of wouldn't affect the law, and start campaigning for specific proposals to say what you think the law should be. It has been established that womens' rights cannot functionally exist if woman cannot be defined as biological sex and is a label that anyone can adopt or repudiate - that's not a law, that's a fundamental principle of logic, so your proposal for what the law should be needs to coherently deal with how you are going to protect everyone's human rights if there is no functional definition of woman and therefore no category of woman under law. When you have specific proposals, intelligent people can scrutinise them and analyse whether they are fit for purpose. If they work without serious detriment to vulnerable groups maybe they would become adopted as policy but until there's a rational set of alternative proposals that could be adopted after such scrutiny, the existing law remains law. Campaigning against a non-legislative piece of guidance that explains the impact of current law is just making everyone associated with the campaign look a bit thick.

PatsFishTank · 22/06/2026 18:47

I'm a woman who's currently bald. I'm not in the least concerned about accessing public toilets. In the unlikely event that someone questions why I'm there, I'll be happy to put them straight and go about my business.

Imdunfer · 22/06/2026 19:24

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 12:13

Something being legal doesn’t make it right.

Something being illegal doesn’t make it wrong.

Bad law makes problems worse, not better.

Luckily, we live in a democracy.

If the law isn’t fit for purpose it can be challenged and changed.

Something being legal doesn’t make it right.

It makes it legal and therefore presumably right in some people's eyes. It may make it immoral in yours, but that's you not everyone.

Something being illegal doesn’t make it wrong.

It makes it illegal and breaking the law is definitely wrong.

Bad law makes problems worse, not better.

It's not a bad law to protect the rights of biological women.

Luckily, we live in a democracy.

So use it! Try and get the law changed to let you into women's spaces. I don't think you're going to succeed and personally think you should be campaigning for 3rd spaces, but of course that doesn't suit the trans activist agenda, does it , because what you are really demanding is the affirmation of society that you are female. You'll wait a long time for that one.

If the law isn’t fit for purpose it can be challenged and changed.

But it is fit for purpose for the vast majority of people, and that's how democracy works, sadly for you. It's a lack of gender neutral facilities other than using the disabled ones that's the issue, together with the determination of some strident men to force society to accept that they have changed sex, not the law.

Wishesandhorses · 22/06/2026 19:31

Something being legal doesn't make it right....

you don't think women and gay people having equal rights is 'right'?

If you're into homophobia and male supremacism, then you do you, boo.

GenderRealistBloke · 22/06/2026 19:34

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 12:13

Something being legal doesn’t make it right.

Something being illegal doesn’t make it wrong.

Bad law makes problems worse, not better.

Luckily, we live in a democracy.

If the law isn’t fit for purpose it can be challenged and changed.

But the petition doesn’t call for any change in the law.

That’s why some posters are “telling you what you think”.

Aren’t they correct? You want the law changed?

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

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IrnBruAndDietCoke · 22/06/2026 20:28

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

No people are rightly questioning you and you are refusing to answer because you can’t.

Wishesandhorses · 22/06/2026 20:35

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

What you identify as thinking is irrelevant - to change the guidance would mean in hard fact changing the law, which means the removal of women and gay rights and equalities to let men into women's single sex spaces.

As I said; if that's what you want, there's no point arguing against being homophobic or male supremacist. When women in police stations have to submit to being strip searched by a man who identifies as a woman regardless of her faith, her disability, her terror, her humiliation, or a woman has to leave her refuge because a man doesn't want to use a mixed sex provision he wants her provision - they'll be thanking you for removing their rights and fixing in law that the man matters and women don't.

You can't have it both ways. If you want rid of women and gay rights at least have the guts to be honest about it, and about what you'd be responsible for.

DialSquare · 22/06/2026 20:41

We all know what trans allyship means and the fact the you have not only signed this pointless petition but are actively encouraging others to do so too, tells us all we need to know about you.

HarrietofFire · 22/06/2026 20:42

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

What did you think then, and what does trans allyship mean to you?

Imdunfer · 22/06/2026 20:52

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

Well frankly I think that's fair game when you ask people to sign the petition which you are asking then to sign, before we even start about the fact that you've done that on a predominantly female forum who want their women's rights protected.

Taztoy · 22/06/2026 21:59

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

Can you tell me what trans ally ship means to you please?

HarrietofFire · 22/06/2026 23:32

HarrietofFire · 22/06/2026 20:42

What did you think then, and what does trans allyship mean to you?

I’m really disappointed you didn’t answer this OP. I also am a trans ally. For me trans allyship means that trans people should be supported and encouraged to live happily, healthily and safely within the law.

My allyship includes me working with male friends to ensure the safety of trans women in men’s spaces. To date, I’m happy to report that no males I have spoken to have any problem with this.

RareGoalsVerge · 23/06/2026 08:17

HopefulPetitioner · 22/06/2026 20:21

People are making a lot of assumptions about me, about what I think, and about what trans allyship means.

But you aren't explaining what you do think, or what trans allyship means to you, or engaging with any of the practical and logical objections to the actions you are advocating for.

The thing about parenting websites is that we all have experience of someone we love more than anything else in the universe being stroppy and unreasonable and claiming we must hate them because we are calmly insisting on not giving them their own way. We are perfectly comfortable with saying "no" whilst still being an Ally. What are the parameters within which you are comfortable saying "no you can't have that" to a person or group of people to whom you consider yourself an Ally?

HopefulPetitioner · 23/06/2026 08:36

I’m sharing the petition for those who are interested.

I’m not here to either justify myself, or to persuade others to a particular point of view.

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Imdunfer · 23/06/2026 08:48

HopefulPetitioner · 23/06/2026 08:36

I’m sharing the petition for those who are interested.

I’m not here to either justify myself, or to persuade others to a particular point of view.

No you aren't.

Why would you choose an overwhelmingly gender realist/gender critical form to share the petition on? Unless you are extremely limited in intellect, you can't possibly believe that there are "trans allies" on this forum who don't use any other forum where they are going to see the petition far more prominently.

You have shared it to cause friction.

Congratulations, you succeeded. It really is interesting to see how trans activists work.

HopefulPetitioner · 23/06/2026 08:57

Another person telling me what I think.

Lots of trans allies post on mumsnet, you know. There are plenty of other topics on offer.

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mamamamamamamamarmalade · 23/06/2026 09:03

I think this focus on the guidance is misplaced. If you want the law to override the Supreme Court, it’s better to say that. I’d very much prefer not, personally, but I’m in favour of honest debate - tweaking guidance whilst the law mandates sex over gender isn’t good on law or debate

Wishesandhorses · 23/06/2026 09:07

HopefulPetitioner · 23/06/2026 08:57

Another person telling me what I think.

Lots of trans allies post on mumsnet, you know. There are plenty of other topics on offer.

You're providing plenty of evidence of what you think. 🙄

If you haven't got the guts to actually own it, that's on you. However you identify, or deny, you've provided the facts through your actions and you cannot direct how people interpret them.

Much the same really as men in women's spaces demanding that everyone pretend that this is ok.

Shedmistress · 23/06/2026 09:14

HopefulPetitioner · 23/06/2026 08:57

Another person telling me what I think.

Lots of trans allies post on mumsnet, you know. There are plenty of other topics on offer.

Maybe get together with them and start a 'pee next to me' campaign to help men pee in their own toilets?

HopefulPetitioner · 23/06/2026 09:20

The posts on here provide all the evidence one would need about why not everyone is comfortable engaging on this topic on mumsnet.

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