Schools reopening

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AIBU to share with you UsforThem. It is a group of mums who are campaigning to send children back to school as normal with no restrictions. They can be found on FB and Twitter #UsforThem. There is also a link to sign the petition on FB

Quote from MH
"However, we have sent in a lot of extra testing into Leicester the last 10 days or so and one of the things we have found is there are a lot of under 18s who have tested positive and therefore, because children can transmit the disease, although they are highly unlikely to become ill from the disease, we think the safest thing we can do is close the schools."

So he said they can transmit it, that's interesting

@ineedaholidaynow

So he said they can transmit it, that's interesting

Well they can, but at what rate we don't know. He didn't clarify.

because children can transmit the disease

Is there conclusive new evidence he is basing this on?

As up until his statement Chris Whitty and others have been unsure.

He is a bit off the cuff sometimes, and people will latch onto those words.

But surely if they can transmit it, then that needs to be taken into account when planning school return. And maybe more research needs to be done

@ineedaholidaynow

But surely if they can transmit it, then that needs to be taken into account when planning school return. And maybe more research needs to be done

More research definitely needs to be done. In all respects.

@MarshaBradyo

Interesting Scotland has been heavier in general restrictions all the way through but less so now and first with all schools.

Quite. Almost as though being heavier with general restrictions has put us in a position where FT schooling for all children is feasible because there's so few cases.

Quite. Almost as though being heavier with general restrictions has put us in a position where FT schooling for all children is feasible because there's so few cases.

Actually it sets up a situation where the effect of schools opening can be more closely observed. Might be useful to see what happens with numbers.

You're the one doing that. You're clearly a very young mum who is so desperate to get your dc back to school and off your hands that you will pick any piece of science you've briefly read in order to make it fit your agenda

How fucking rude. Off my hands? Are you being fucking serious?

Matt Hancock himself said on Monday night that it is now accepted that children transmit the virus

Matt Hancock is not a scientist. Even if they do transmit it, we don't know at what rate.

and it's also quite clear that you don't give a shiny shit who on the school staff or in the wider community catches this from the wider opening of schools, as long as you get what you want

Well you've just pulled that out your arse haven't you. What a load of old shite honestly.

@ineedaholidaynow they are doing tons of research. The reason they can't say for sure if kids transmit it is because they can't find enough cases of them doing so.

In a pandemic affecting 10m people.

@LivinLaVidaLoki the article which you posted the references from says this:

The principles remain the same:
• Those who are shielding (confined to the house) should remain shielding
• Maintaining social distancing of 2 metres (3 steps, 6 feet) is important
• Hand hygiene remains key, with regular washing with soap and water for 20 seconds
• Respiratory etiquette is important to be maintained always
• Increased cleaning between classes should be undertaken
• Daily checks should be made of everyone, to verify that they are well and able to attend school
• In situations where social distancing cannot be maintained, e.g., a child or a staff member become unwell, then PPE should be used as per DoE guidance

So, you are quoting research that defends a distance of 2m. How do you propose this happens if schools return with a full complement of students?

Matt Hancock can say whatever he likes but there is no clarity to the science and if, off the cuff, he stated otherwise, that is simply a politician waffling.
Science is not, as many seem to think, black and white. 30 years after Rio, there are still a few scientists arguing that there is no anthropogenic climate change. The science around Covid is only a few months old so there is absolutely no chance of getting 100% certain answers about it.
Having said that, the weight of evidence appears to be on the side of low child transmission rates.
And of course, societies are not 'led by the science' because there are a raft of issues, other than Covid, to consider when weighing up how to move forward.

That crossed a line angelina, tbh.

@darkcaramel

That crossed a line angelina, tbh.

Why? That poster has been banging on and on and on (pretty aggressively) throughout a range of threads in recent weeks, usually blaming schools and teachers for her situation. I'm fed up with it.

@nellodee which article are you referring to? The papers I posted talk about the likely spread of covid from children and he effects of coronavirus on children.

But how old she is has absolutely nothing to do with that. I’d be pretty pissed off if someone decided my parenting skills were shit because of my age.

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully

When you're out and about follow the 2m rule and teachers have no worries. Just make sure you stay at home mostly. I'm hoping none of you saying schools aren't safe to reopen fully are going to the zoo, or to restaurants this weekend or the cinema when it opens. If you do, you're bloody hypocrites the lot of you

You really are rude. Visiting the zoo OUTSIDE is a lot safer than being inside a classroom but actually I won’t be visiting anywhere like that this summer. What I would like is to know that the children I am currently teaching are following measures to keep everyone safe but, and just picking a few examples here, one told me at the start of June that she had a hair cut ‘we all went to Nanny’s house and a hairdresser came to cut our hair’ and and other parent mentioned her eldest child was having a sleep over at his mates.
I’m taking precautions and it would be nice to know the children in my bubble are, but they aren’t.

And I’ll say again, nice and clearly for you, I don’t disagree about schools being open, what I am arguing about is the disregard some people have for the safety of school staff. People even saying that people under 40 don’t die from it so it’s fine. SCHOOLS HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE OVER 40 IN THEM!!!!

Yes Iampixie

And unless it’s a recognised scientific conclusion he has made a big blunder.

People will latch on to it and the words are not based on science.

He will have to get round that blunder when reopening schools.

@CallmeAngelina I have NEVER blamed schools.

The nursery Ds attends have been excellent and I have said that several times.

If you're going to spout viscious shite at least make it true.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Do you even have a child in school?

@nellodee none of the papers above defend anything of the sort. They do not talk about social distancing, they talk about transmission rates between children and to adults.
The Australian one is an interesting read as it follows contacts from children who have tested positive for covid.

@LivinLaVidaLoki I did a search on the whole list you gave, and it appeared to have been lifted wholesale from a piece that gave the advice I listed above. Screenshot attached.

[quote BelleSausage]@TrustTheGeneGenie

Do you even have a child in school?[/quote]
In nursery. He starts ft school (or not) in September. I suppose you're going to tell me nursery doesn't count and why do I even care.

That is not where I got it from. So I was unaware.

It was information passed to me along with others as part of my job. But my point still stands. None of those papers talk about social distancing.