Schools reopening

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AIBU to share with you UsforThem. It is a group of mums who are campaigning to send children back to school as normal with no restrictions. They can be found on FB and Twitter #UsforThem. There is also a link to sign the petition on FB

@Mistressiggi

It's privileged to even have a mortgage, if we play that game!

It's really not. I couldn't rent my house for what I pay on the mortgage. Me and dp have increidibly average jobs we've just been sensible. Were not privileged at all. And weirdly enough if everything goes to shit nobody will pay my mortgage but you'd get your rent paid for.

After all who wouldnt want 3 months off school!!

No where close here. Y10 changed back to normal happy child after lagging so long doing online classes. Tg he’s seeing his friends not just online chat.

Y5 not so bad but misses school.

Trust don't be silly. You need savings and a (usually permanent) job to get a mortgage. I'm aware rents can be more but you don't need thousands up front to rent.
I have a mortgage, never said I didn't. I know this was more than just hard work on my part, but a fair dose of luck too.

This is all about privilege. But not in the way you think.

Lockdown is and will happen. It is the only way to stop NHS services in areas with bad outbreaks falling over completely. It is going to have to happen. Especially if people are going to send kids back to school without masks are social distancing.

The areas most likely to be affected are those with high density populations that share housing i.e.- inner cities.

So the children most effected by sporadic school closures will be some of the country’s most deprived children.

The insistence by some people on this thread on full time schooling with no social distancing and no fall back is naive beyond belief and doesn’t actually deal with the reality of the situation.

It creates a two tier education system with those who are disadvantaged worst off.

@Mistressiggi

Trust don't be silly. You need savings and a (usually permanent) job to get a mortgage. I'm aware rents can be more but you don't need thousands up front to rent. I have a mortgage, never said I didn't. I know this was more than just hard work on my part, but a fair dose of luck too.

It wasn't luck on my part. Just hard work and a lot of sacrifice.

@BelleSausage

This is all about privilege. But not in the way you think.

Lockdown is and will happen. It is the only way to stop NHS services in areas with bad outbreaks falling over completely. It is going to have to happen. Especially if people are going to send kids back to school without masks are social distancing.

The areas most likely to be affected are those with high density populations that share housing i.e.- inner cities.

So the children most effected by sporadic school closures will be some of the country’s most deprived children.

The insistence by some people on this thread on full time schooling with no social distancing and no fall back is naive beyond belief and doesn’t actually deal with the reality of the situation.

It creates a two tier education system with those who are disadvantaged worst off.

Right. So what do you think the solution is?

The us for them group don't agree with the local lockdown or school closures in Leicester BECAUSE of the reasons you've stated.

There is NO EVIDENCE of high transmission within schools. None.

Well my luck included - being born white, being born in the developed world, having vaccinations as a child, having parents who valued education, no fees for uni then, beimy born clever enough to go, permanent job unlike many teachers graduating now, no disabilities.
Obviously not luck to work hard or save or not gamble/buy drugs etc, but a lot of anyone's success or failure in life is through chance.

@Mistressiggi

Well my luck included - being born white, being born in the developed world, having vaccinations as a child, having parents who valued education, no fees for uni then, beimy born clever enough to go, permanent job unlike many teachers graduating now, no disabilities. Obviously not luck to work hard or save or not gamble/buy drugs etc, but a lot of anyone's success or failure in life is through chance.

Oh ffs this is ridiculous.

The us for them group don't agree with the local lockdown or school closures in Leicester BECAUSE of the reasons you've stated.

This is frankly like my toddler getting angry with the wind. It’s a fucking national emergency. Just because they don’t want it to be happening doesn’t mean it will go away.

What would actually help is mandatory mask wearing. Everywhere.

Scotland’s plan is sensible. It reduces the likelihood of second, third or even fourth outbreaks and the need to go back into lockdown.

Part time in school, with social distancing and part time online schooling.

However, it would require investment and help from the government. They obviously cannot be fucked.

Schools cans and are pivoting to online teaching and are providing tech for kids to use. If they are seeing their teachers for 30% of the week then they are getting the socialisation and direction.

Plus, because it is government mandated, it puts more pressure on employers to be flexible with home working. Which they don’t have to be is schools are fully open.

How are parents supposed to cope when their bubble has to self isolate because of an outbreak.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has thought through how screwed over they are going to be by these guidelines.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

You’re right transmission in school is the same as any other mass gathering where no one is wearing a mask.

Are we going back to doing those too? What a great idea.

@BelleSausage

The us for them group don't agree with the local lockdown or school closures in Leicester BECAUSE of the reasons you've stated.

This is frankly like my toddler getting angry with the wind. It’s a fucking national emergency. Just because they don’t want it to be happening doesn’t mean it will go away.

What would actually help is mandatory mask wearing. Everywhere.

Scotland’s plan is sensible. It reduces the likelihood of second, third or even fourth outbreaks and the need to go back into lockdown.

Part time in school, with social distancing and part time online schooling.

However, it would require investment and help from the government. They obviously cannot be fucked.

Schools cans and are pivoting to online teaching and are providing tech for kids to use. If they are seeing their teachers for 30% of the week then they are getting the socialisation and direction.

Plus, because it is government mandated, it puts more pressure on employers to be flexible with home working. Which they don’t have to be is schools are fully open.

How are parents supposed to cope when their bubble has to self isolate because of an outbreak.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has thought through how screwed over they are going to be by these guidelines.

Scotland have made a massive u turn on part time schooling. Because it's a horrendous idea and completely disproportionate.

You're naive if you think it will encourage employers to be flexible. It will just mean women get laid off or sacked.

@BelleSausage

This is all about privilege. But not in the way you think.

Lockdown is and will happen. It is the only way to stop NHS services in areas with bad outbreaks falling over completely. It is going to have to happen. Especially if people are going to send kids back to school without masks are social distancing.

The areas most likely to be affected are those with high density populations that share housing i.e.- inner cities.

So the children most effected by sporadic school closures will be some of the country’s most deprived children.

The insistence by some people on this thread on full time schooling with no social distancing and no fall back is naive beyond belief and doesn’t actually deal with the reality of the situation.

It creates a two tier education system with those who are disadvantaged worst off.

Having children being educated at home, relying on parents having adequate it capability, and ability to teach, never mind actually available to teach creates a two tier education system where multiple sets of society, including these disadvantaged are put at a significant disadvantage.

[quote BelleSausage]@TrustTheGeneGenie

You’re right transmission in school is the same as any other mass gathering where no one is wearing a mask.

Are we going back to doing those too? What a great idea.[/quote]
Evidence for this?

Scotland have made a massive u turn on part time schooling. Because it's a horrendous idea and completely disproportionate.

Interesting, what is the new situation?

@MarshaBradyo

Scotland have made a massive u turn on part time schooling. Because it's a horrendous idea and completely disproportionate.

Interesting, what is the new situation?

They're aiming for ft.

Everyone back in on August 12th, no social distancing.
Smashing solution, if there's no more CV in the community of course. Horrendous idea if it is. Political decision nudged over by parental pressure groups. Not based on new scientific evidence.

Where’s the evidence that a large group of unmasked people transmit Coronavirus to each other? Really?

Well that is something, although one or the other, so have they released more around any mitigation?

Idiotic or selfish springs to mind. I am desperate for schools to open for the sake of my children but I also want schools to open safely and for that to happen there will be restrictions and I accept that.

@BelleSausage

Where’s the evidence that a large group of unmasked people transmit Coronavirus to each other? Really?

No. A large group of children

@Mistressiggi

Everyone back in on August 12th, no social distancing. Smashing solution, if there's no more CV in the community of course. Horrendous idea if it is. Political decision nudged over by parental pressure groups. Not based on new scientific evidence.

Take it up with Nicola.

You don't have to send your kids, you know. You could home school them.

Interesting Scotland has been heavier in general restrictions all the way through but less so now and first with all schools.

@tigger1001

So you are ok with not addressing the issue at all and leaving inner city kids to go in and out of lockdown. Shall we do that?

The nice middle class kids in leafy suburbs can have all the schooling then.

None of you have addressed any of the points I’ve made.

Just pretending Covid doesn’t exist is moronic and will cause long term damage to the schooling of millions of children.

It will also put the vulnerable kids who are currently being invited into school for socially distanced provision at risk of no schooling.

If anyone thinks full time school will save their jobs then they are mistaken. How many more times can your companies afford to close and reopen.

Low and slow should be the pace if we want to sustain low transmission.

Look at America. They won’t listen about masks and social distancing and the second peak is building. They are looking at 100,000 infections a day and hundreds of thousand more deaths.

Wake up!

[quote BelleSausage]@tigger1001

So you are ok with not addressing the issue at all and leaving inner city kids to go in and out of lockdown. Shall we do that?

The nice middle class kids in leafy suburbs can have all the schooling then.

None of you have addressed any of the points I’ve made.

Just pretending Covid doesn’t exist is moronic and will cause long term damage to the schooling of millions of children.

It will also put the vulnerable kids who are currently being invited into school for socially distanced provision at risk of no schooling.

If anyone thinks full time school will save their jobs then they are mistaken. How many more times can your companies afford to close and reopen.

Low and slow should be the pace if we want to sustain low transmission.

Look at America. They won’t listen about masks and social distancing and the second peak is building. They are looking at 100,000 infections a day and hundreds of thousand more deaths.

Wake up![/quote]
None of that is what the us for them movement want. Perhaps read up on it before making yourself look stupid.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

No need to resort to name calling.

Just shows how right I am. You can’t even address my points.