Not racist, come hither.

[Drabarni]

Now I have your attention.
If you think you aren't racist please look at this and if you feel like gettig behind this
Thank you very much.

www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2019/10/politicians-pledge-their-support-gypsy-roma-and-traveller-communities

www.gypsy-traveller.org/pledge-card-asking-your-mp-to-sign-up/

Obviously, you don't have to make an appointment with your MP as suggested, you could email or post.

[Varric]

You alleged that menstruating women being separated is fine because it's part of a culture. The things I mentioned are also part of cultures, but that doesn't make the fine. Mikey Walsh was shunned by his Romani family for his sexuality, that's very definitely harmful.

[Drabarni]

varric
Of course it's fine for women to be separate from men during menstruation if they follow that culture.
My dsis loves it, she gets her own room for about a week, has hardly any household duties as will be shared by other family members. No cooking for the family, life of riley.
Win Win.

[Drabarni]

This is modern day society and yes they are having a part of it by definition.
or do you think travellers aren't part of society. Wow!
Now, this is pure racism believing other cultures to your own are inferior or shouldn't exist.
This is exactly what we are fighting.

[Varric]

And Mikey Walsh? Was what happened to him fine?

And what if the woman doesn't want to be separated? If she wants to see her family and friends, go to school or work or hobbies?

[HeresMe]

Well if you want to continue with your sexist disgusting behaviours then no society should not engage with that, you seem to defend them so happy with sexism but not racism.

I'm questioning your cultural norms not race so stop playing the race card.

Cultural norms is just a excuse for being horrible , FGM is a cultural norm for lots of cultures, it still shouldn't be acceptable in any way or form, treating women like property in many cultures is acceptable it isn't in mine.

[nearlyfinished1moreyear]

I'm with u @Drabarni

[Pinkyyy]

Women are not segregated on their periods

[Drabarni]

HereMe

Having an opinion is fine, disagreeing is fine, there's much of the culture I haven't adopted.
I'm not going to bash cultural norms that I see benefitting part of society and not harming the rest.
The females in my family are happy, enjoy life and if they didn't suffer so much racism would be stress free two.
Their partners absolutely love them to bits and provide for the family well. The women work if they want to but it always fits around the family or childcare is only allowed through family. No problem when you have at least 40 cousins just on one side.
Just because it isn't what you would choose doesn't make it wrong.

I have no idea why you are talking about things that aren't part of the Romany culture either. They are as different to us as they are to you.

[Drabarni]

Pinkyyy

My lot are, but you know how traditional and old school they are.
They don't mind though as they all live together, the girls just go in the bungalow, younger teens get movie nights and a girly night.
It's really not seen as a negative at all. They have lots of fun.

[Drabarni]

Varric

It's just at home, they go about their daily life.
A nurse doesn't stop because she has a period, not even a Romany.

[Pinkyyy]

That's interesting I've never come across that before. I think if that's how they do things and they are happy with it then why should anyone try and force them to do otherwise. Muslim women can't go to mosque when they're menstuating so it's no different.

[Varric]

I'm talking about them because you seem to think that if something is a cultural practise, then it's okay. And Mikey Walsh's family are Romani.

If women want to be separated on their periods, I have no problem with it. It's the idea that they have to, or at least are expected to, whether they want to or not that I have a problem with.

[Pinkyyy]

How can you have a problem with people living their lives in a way that has absolutely zero affect on you @Varric0? That makes no sense.

[HeresMe]

It still isn't okay you don't get it, cultural practice be dammed. How's it benefit society you can pretend it does oh they get time apart sounds like absolute rubbish.

[Pinkyyy]

@HeresMe do you not realise that you yourself have cultural practices. You just don't notice them because they're normal to you.

[Varric]

Just because it doesn't affect me directly doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. If women want to be seperate, fine, so long as they are not expected to even if they don't want it.

[Drabarni]

Varric

Of course you can have an opinion, what is acceptable in one culture maybe isn't in another.
However, why complain about a culture or aspects of it when the thread is about something completely different. Our culture has nothing to do with the hatred displayed and it's very small minds who can only discuss mess and nothing else as some have on the thread.

It seems obvious that the intention of your posts isn't to help with the discrimination and racism that travellers experience.
If you don't want to help because you don't like our culture, so be it.
Thanks for your time.

[Drabarni]

Is this fair because a minority of people misbehave? Or as proven on here, aspects of a culture are disagreed with.
Is this any way to treat ethnic minorities in this day and age.
Yet it's acceptable because people don't like us.

www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2019/08/traveller-anger-shops-and-pubs-close-across-two-counties-day-girls-funeral

[EntropyRising]

But if you have a nomadic culture in your society, and you make it illegal for them to practise their culture (ie to move around and live off the land) then how is that law not racist?

Firstly, because 'living off the land' is an impossible aspiration for huge numbers of people, because there are too many humans. We're all being regulated within an inch of our lives, and no one likes it.

Secondly, because travellers aren't really 'living off the land' are they? They're producing a giant fuckton of non-organic waste wherever they go which has to eventually go through the usual channels, provided by local authorities.

They're using health services, roads, police, fire, just like the rest of us.

[Drabarni]

Apologies for each report from Travellers time, those who are with us will see how mainstream media portray a different case, to the one we all know exists.

www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2019/10/traveller-petrol-bomb-councillor-lands-hot-water

Just joining the thread? If you would like to help, the links are at the top of the thread.

[Passthecherrycoke]

Well I actually meant live off the land in a difference sense, ie that they literally place their home on the land. Not that they grow their own veg and hunt.

But, the vast majority of the U.K. and indeed the world, isn’t developed at all, so the too many people argument doesn’t really fly.

My point was their way of life doesn’t fit with a “normal” U.K. way of life. As you say, they have no way to dispose of waste, they are being told to put their children in school, they are expected to provide the government with information about their life etc. That doesn’t fit with the culture.

But that is just a nomadic way of life being incompatible with modern life. Does that make it ok to eradicate them? That’s just ethnic cleansing

[TheQueef]

What you are skirting around Entropy is the reason travellers were stopped from travelling.

We want them in settled housing, like us.
Even though there wasn't a good reason for it.
The issues this caused and the anti social behaviour by some are all traceable back to legislating aggressively on what we consider are 'others'

[Drabarni]

TheQueef

Yes, nail on the head.
My family bought land in the 60's, they didn't have any choice.
They would have preferred to travel but the laws changed and they had to settle.
Luckily they could afford it, they built a large bungalow and their trailers, vans and wagons are parked behind.

They aren't allowed them at the front, by law. Even though one is an old beautiful vardo with so much gold leaf decoration, they look like Royalty

They bought about a quarter of the cemetary too and you could see their grave stones from space they are so big.

Those who were forced onto concrete sites, with nowhere for their animals. Then we hear people saying how badly we treat our animals.

It's ironic that now they are closing the sites families are being forced to travel again.
But like all society we have moved on and made small communities of extended family. The children go to school and access healthcare.
Parents have jobs, that they'll likely have to leave.

So no fixed abode and the discrimination against travellers that already exists makes me fear for their future.

We should have just been left in our own little world. We never bothered anybody and tbh with a history of racism and hatred Romany like to keep themselves to themselves.

My ideal would be the Forests and Woods. But they are just commercialised now, making money for the fat cats.

I have a 15 year old dd who is off to America to live in a Tiny House as soon as she can. I can't blame her as there's no chance of her being happy here.