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Petition to Stonewall

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ecosomething · 03/10/2018 20:51

New petition launched calling on Stonewall to:

  • Acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics
  • Acknowledge specifically the conflict that exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights
  • Commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate, rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss or dissent from Stonewall’s current policies

Link here: www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

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ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 06:21

And I do wonder, if, in the end, Stonewall will go the way of Kids Company. So many fingers in so many dodgy pies, yet so much reverence by people in power. The more the general public sees what Stonewall has advocated around so -called 'trans' children, especially in schools, the more they will turn against them

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 06:24

I've already signed but am kicking myself by not mentioning the Trans Umbrella

goodthinking99 · 04/10/2018 07:05

Signed, pleased to support this reasoned request.

MediocreOne · 04/10/2018 07:10

Signed

Roystonv · 04/10/2018 07:17

Signed

Molokonono · 04/10/2018 07:20

How can an intelligent women have accepted unquestioningly the line 'transwomen are women'? We are now reaping the harvest of that insulting untruth

£

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 07:25

Lucy Bannerman Times article today: Stonewall ‘backing transgender bullies’
(extract)
"Stonewall, the country’s most prominent gay rights charity, has come under fire from well-known supporters for “demonising” anyone who speaks out about transgender issues.

Leading members of the lesbian, gay, transsexual and intersex community have started a petition urging the charity to rethink its transgender policy, saying that they are fed up with its refusal to recognise other viewpoints.

In a letter published in The Times today, they said that Stonewall’s advocacy of extreme transgender politics was threatening women’s rights, undermining gay and lesbian identity and stifling freedom of speech. They accused Stonewall of refusing to recognise LGBT people who oppose the hostile tactics of transgender activists.

Transgender campaigners say that they represent a vulnerable, marginalised group but critics accuse them of bullying opponents.

Signatories include Alison Moyet, the singer and longtime advocate of gay rights; Jonathan Best, former director of the Manchester festival Queer Up North; Paul Burston, the novelist and former LGBT editor of Time Out; and Philip Hensher, the Man Booker-shortlisted novelist once named Stonewall Journalist of the Year. (continues)

concudes, The letter said: “We urge Stonewall to acknowledge . . . specifically that a conflict exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights. We call on Stonewall to commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss, or dissent from, Stonewall’s transgender policies.”

Mr Best said that while in the past gay activists had fought for legislative equality, today’s transgender activists had “an extreme identity politics” and wanted to “redefine sex and gender for the whole of society”.

“Men are not women — and your bullying will not persuade us differently,” he said.

Stonewall declined to comment."

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/stonewall-backing-transgender-bullies-slvn00vng

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 07:27

Times Letter
'STONEWALL CRITICISED
Sir, Stonewall has played a leading role in advancing the rights of lesbians, gays and bisexuals; it has also campaigned on transgender issues since 2015. We believe that it has made mistakes in its approach that are undermining women’s sex-based rights and protections.

The government’s public consultation on proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act closes on October 19, so it is vital for there to be a debate about transgender politics and the rights of women and girls. Stonewall disagrees, and calls debate on this matter “transphobic”.

We urge Stonewall to acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics, and to acknowledge specifically that a conflict exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights. We call on Stonewall to commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss, or dissent from, Stonewall’s transgender policies.

Jonathan Best, former director of Queer Up North; Julie Bindel, journalist and feminist campaigner; Maureen Chadwick, TV writer; Beatrix Campbell, writer; James Dreyfus, actor; Kate Harris, former fundraiser for Stonewall; Philip Hensher, author; Kathleen Stock, philosopher; Caroline Spry, TV producer; Miranda Yardley, transsexual rights activist; Alison Moyet, singer; Paul Burston, author; Kristina Harrison, paramedic and transwoman; Darren Johnson, London Assembly Member 2000-16; Eileen Gallagher, television producer; Claire Graham, intersex advocate; Jane Harris, author'

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/second-referendum-and-the-brexit-deadlock-qzr5qllkh

ChattyLion · 04/10/2018 07:41

Chrysanthemums did you mean Kids Company? Kidscape are OK, no?

OvaHere · 04/10/2018 07:42

Brilliant. Signed.

EverardDigby · 04/10/2018 07:42

Thanks for the link, I've signed and commented.

rightreckoner · 04/10/2018 07:54

Hope you mean Kids Company ?

Although what has happened to Kidscape? They’ve been pretty silent on what is their core competence.

MustBeDreaming · 04/10/2018 07:55

Signed, thanks for sharing the petition / article.

Charliethefeminist · 04/10/2018 07:56

This story is right up Buzzfeed's street. Trans, check. Celebrities, academics and transexual people signing a petition, check. Campaign, check. Queer, check. Stonewall, check check. But for some reason.....

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 08:04

Although what has happened to Kidscape? They’ve been pretty silent on what is their core competence.

Claude Knights (safeguarding expert, 15 years as head of Kidscape)
on sex offenders who transition and are afforded the opportunity to change their name and hide their history as a consequence & recent case of "Christopher Noble, 32, transitioned to Christyl Knight while behind bars for keeping a stash of over 4,000 vile pictures and videos of kids as young as six months old"

“Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”
“Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

rightreckoner · 04/10/2018 08:07

Yes I have seen that comment from Claude but nothing from the current Kidscape.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 08:10

Rightreckoner

OMG yes yes. What a stupid slip of the fingers. Kidscape helped my son. They are a great charity

Kids' Company. Will contact MNHQ to change that

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 08:11

Am mortified.

agennaro · 04/10/2018 08:15

Have signed. Thank you to all of you that organised this!

GetOvaIt · 04/10/2018 08:16

It's interesting given this article in the guardian today

Charities need to stop slide in public trust warns regulator

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/03/charities-need-stop-slide-public-trust-warns-regulator?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Charity commission reminding charities to focus on helping people and not pushing their agenda.

Perhaps a complaint to the charity commission (or submitting this petition to them) would be listened to?

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 04/10/2018 08:18

Signed and bumping the thread :)

CallingDannyBoy · 04/10/2018 08:24

Signed and thank you

WetWang · 04/10/2018 08:25

Signed. I'm a bit useless with technology but if anybody on here follows Posie Parker or Venice on Facebook could they let them know, I follow them but can't comment on their pages, Thanks.

Igneococcus · 04/10/2018 08:50

Interesting to see Philip Hensher's name on the list. I have tried reading The Emperor Waltz and I couldn't get past the misogyny, particularly towards lesbians, in the parts of the novel that are set in a gay bookshop in the early 1980 in London. I always wondered if he was portraying the misogyny or if his own was showing. I'm going for the the first option now.

Needmoresleep · 04/10/2018 09:03

Stonewall, like the Labour Party, have been subject to serious entryism. This time TRAs rather than Momentum.

Voters keep the Labour Party in check. The question is who keeps Stonewall in check. Their influence, based on historic lobbying sucess, is everywhere, and with it goes access to lucrative advice and training contracts. The idea that there cannot be open debate on prospective legislation of such importance, and that womens concerns cannot be heard in places like The Guardian, the Tory Party Conference, and Leeds Town Hall is beyond bizarre. Dangerous. The battle is for free speech as we as for protection of children and vulnerable women.