to ask why you wouldn’t sign the petition?

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The petition set up by Amy Desir (one of the women who self identified as a man to attend a men only swim session) is asking the government to consult women on privacy and dignity that could be removed or impacted by proposed changes to the gender recognition act.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

The petition is merely asking for debate - doesn’t it come to something when women have to petition the government to have to ask to debate their safety?

Most gender critical feminists recognise trans human rights but we don’t want their identity and wishes to be placed above our safety.
I posted on MN recently about my experience of living in a domestic violence refuge as a child and now I was terrified of men, a male bodied person presenting as a female in that safe space would have terrified me and impacted my PTSD more than the other experiences already have.

If you haven’t signed it why not? Please reconsider, if only so both sides can be heard. Of course signing isn’t mandatory and I’m not angry but I would be interested in hearing more.

If you would like to sign it, you can find it here
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118 - your details are kept private. Please consider sharing.

All this crap about freedom of speech and expression and then being aggressive and arsey towards folk who don't share the same opinion does nothing to give any merit to your cause.*

STRAWMAN ALERT!!!!!

I'm repeating myself now

Yes, repeating yourself while ignoring questions about Crime Prevention and rape/conception in prison.

All the evidence indicates that women will be more at risk in society if sex segregated spaces are removed - and I think you know that; the difference between us is that I care and you don't.

I hope you never experience the kind of sexual violence that others on this thread have described - unfortunately, your stance makes it a lot more likely that you, and many other women, will in future

Hi @MNHQ could you possibly move this back to AIBU? This is a discussion about the petition rather than lobbying for people to sign it. This discussion deserves to be had.

Transgender rapist moved to women’s jail put in segregation after making ‘unwanted advances’ on...
thesun.co.uk

Cos it never happens........ 😕

All this crap about freedom of speech and expression and then being aggressive and arsey towards folk who don't share the same opinion does nothing to give any merit to your cause

Despite what twitterites would have you believe, its Terfs being attacked and silenced by TRAs, not the other way round. So if you are anti that type of behaviour then surely you support the petition which allows everyone to have an opinion?

The silencing of people who are gender critical is rampant.

Unless your a card carrying, 100% believer in "gender identity" you are labelled as a bigot.

On social media, however politely you engage the response 99% of the time is being called out as transphobic and then being blocked ie no platformed.

Changes to the GRA have very significant ramifications. The fact that the majority of people wanting to give them through refuse to engage and debate is incredibly worrying.

If a topic - any topic - has merit then there should be respectful debate.

That's not what's happening and it's what the petition calls for.

Objecting to that implies that the arguments are weak and/or you really don't care about the implications.

Simply did you read the article I linked to earlier. From a real life trans woman?

I'm talking about on this bloody thread.

Several people have said they won't be signing and explained why. Then they've been jumped on, told they're wrong etc.

Just leave people to their own opinions rather than trying to break them down and bully them to support and switch to yours.

Urgh. The rampant transphobia on here is ruining mumsnet. :(

Alfonso do you know what the petition is for? It's to ask that women are consulted on changes that might impact them.

Can I ask why that is transphobic? Why is questioning self ID transphobic?

Lysnna please show me where there is "rampant transphobia".

ranpant transphobia

Srsly there is none. Just a bunch of intelligent women who've actually got a clue

Urgh. The rampant transphobia on here is ruining mumsnet. :(

It's odd that on a site set up for women that many of them are keen to discuss proposed changes to the law that potentially have very significant consequences to women?

If you don't agree that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

You can equally hide threads you don't want to see. You can also make use of the report button when you see fit.

However you don't get to dictate what other women want to talk about and label them "Carte Blanche " transphobic for doing so.

Wanting debate is not transphobic. Wanting to be part of the discussion about something that impacts on women's safe spaces is not transphobic. Those who shout this request down with insults of transphobia either have a different agenda that suits them or have been completely utterly brainwashed. Shame on you.

Wanting debate is not transphobic.

Tranwomen want this debate. Why are people trying to silence transwomen?

Transwomen are getting this debate. Obviously. Women are not.

Imagine being so desperate to virtue signal you didn't even take the time to actually understand the issue

Please I beg you don't come whining back here when this potential decision effects you down the line

I'm out . because it's like talking to a wall , well done to everyone who signed ✌🏼️

Imagine being so desperate to virtue signal you didn't even take the time to actually understand the issue

Yes. This is what's so bloody sad about it all. I despair of some people I really do.

Draylon - I have moments of hope - but in general I feel the same. On Brexit and this issue.

Oh well. We'll go back to having chaperones or something. That was the old fashioned way women protected themselves.

I’ve signed it. Regardless of individual views on this, I hinknthat consultation is the logical way forward. It’s not transphobic to do this.

Bouncing this.

Why does Brexit have be sidelined into every conversation. It’s truly boring.

Debate is not transphobic, I think most people who are saying this haven’t read the actual petition!

Internalised transphobia.

Like your internalised misogyny?