It is pronounced cleek, not click!

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I am no SPAG pedant as I am rubbish at it, but I am a pronunciation pedant.

Please, if this is you, change your ways!

But in Englush, we spell it Seville, and pronounce it in the way those letters are pronounced using standard English pronounciation.

We don't spell it Seville and pronounce it Stevillte, because that isn't the standard English pronounciation for that pattern of letters.

While I understand that English is a language that prides itself on it's irregularities, it is not a correct English pronouciation to add a random t into chorizo. And it's not the correct Spanish pronouciation either. So it's affected nonsense.

and English pronouciation doesn't add random t's into words.
I thought that Phonics says 'prince' is said as 'prints'.

But you, and others on this thread, are discussing these words as if they came down from Mount Sinai on tablets of stone, and are forever unchanging.

At some point in the past, and in the future, they probably were / will be different.

Talking of pronouncing things Italian, there is a Prezzo restaurant near me and so many people pronounce it without the t sound - literally Pre-zo. Surely it’s Pret-zo?

Prince and Prints are completely different pronouniations to me.

Can you give examples, please?

Last week, on a walk with my husband, we were admiring various wildflowers, and he pronounced gorse "gorze". He'd never heard anyone say it before, and then we got into a long discussion about why gooseberry is "goozeberry", and not pronounced with a hard S like goose.

The nights fly by in our house.

We ALWAYS pronounce it Pie Ella Bakewell 🤣

Yes, language evolves. But that doesn't take away from the fact that 'choritzo' is simply an affected mispronouciation that stems from ignorance of the origins of the word.

Did you mean pronunciations?

I don't say Prince as Prints. I was saying it was explained that way.

It absolutely does, because it's the actual explanation for why foreign words are different in different languages.

@BunnyLake , Pah-ey-ah. No mock accent required.

My husband says es tray ah for estrella beer . He’s bold.

It’s odd though as we are happy to pronounce moet wrongly ie make it French!

So are they saying it wrong in Ecuador?

I hate it when people say pro- nounce - iation instead of pronunciation and past oral care instead of pastoral.

It's not though. Many of them sound different because the original pronunciation isn't easy if you don't speak the language. An example is genre. The French word is ʒɒnr but the English is ˈʒɒnrə

I've no idea.

But it's NOT pronounced choritzo in rhe UK, except for by a small minority who mispronounce it. You can't just choose to randomly mispronounce things and declare it the evolution of language.

Well they pronounce ll as a soft j, as does most / all of the non-European Spanish speaking world.

Who says I can't? How else do you think it happens?

My Peruvian friend doesn't.

So are the others wrong?

Fuck me, I give up. Keep pronouncing it choritzo if you want. It doesn't make it right, it just makes you look uneducated. But you do you.

And never chaise lounge.

Personally, I think it looks uneducated to get wound up over the pronunciation of some foreign words in isolation, but not others, when there are clearly no hard and fast rules.