It is pronounced cleek, not click!

[fancytoes]

I am no SPAG pedant as I am rubbish at it, but I am a pronunciation pedant.

Please, if this is you, change your ways!

What are you on about?
Moët & Chandon is mɔɛt‿e ʃɑ̃dɔ̃.
The brand is French, so presumably people guessed Moët was Mo-ay.
The surname is Dutch not French and is mɔɛt.
I say it deliberately as Mo-ay as it will prompt someone to correct me.

I was asking @Milkwomen about Brontë, not you, and it was querying whether it was actually an umlaut or a diaeresis.

Ah but what about filet? There's just no bloody logic to English is there? Gilet, drop the t, filet pronounce the t!

And on the subject of Moët (which I definitely say with a t) when drinking it out of a coupe, do you pronouce that 'coop' or 'coopay'? I've always believed it was 'coop' due to the absence of an accent on the e, but whenever I say that I'm invariably smugly 'corrected' by someone, to the point I've started to doubt myself.

@ChangeAgainAgainAgain , filet is a French word, the English word is fillet.

Bloody Hell, you're right! I knew that really!

Thanks. A champagne coupe is a 'shampain coup'.
A 'coupay' is coupé.

Yes, that's what I thought. I'm constantly 'corrected' when I pronounce it like that, though!

Who by? Show them proof that your pronunciation is correct, e.g. COUPE | Pronunciation in English.

I know its Dutch, Mr Clever dutch clogs (in my view the wrong shape for clogs).

I'm just trying to help you with your knowledge of the Bronte sisters and number thereof. It is pendants corner after all. You weren't sufficiently clear.

Cor blimey. So testy.

But would you say "a filay-o'fish" in McDonalds or what? I think 'ugo, perhaps you might?

@Pineneedlesincarpet , MacDonald's? Wash your mouth out!

It is pendants corner after all.

Yes sorry. Don't know what came over me there.

My mum used to. No idea why.

It's 'choreezo' in the US (the Mexican pronunciation).

What about van Gogh, which Americans render as 'van Go' and British/Irish as 'van Goff', both of us equally wrong.

fanHhochh, but not quite.

I try to pronounce Gouda correctly when I buy it from the Dutch bloke at the market who makes it (lovely stuff, there's one with fenugreek that is the best thing ever), but that Dutch 'G' is tricky.

As is the Dutch 'g'.

I say 'van goch' and I'm British. I think it's 'van khooch' (kh being almost like ch, oo like in book)

And also, explain it like this @ChangeAgainAgainAgain :

Coupé is the past participle of the French verb couper, “to cut”. A coupé as in the car, derives from that because the design is shorter and lower i.e. cut down compared to other designs of car. It gets confusing because the Beach Boys popularised the American mis-pronounciation “Coop” as in “Little Deuce Coupe”

However, “coupe” with no accent is just the French word for a bowl, same Latin origin as English “cup”. Nothing to do with cutting.

I keep hearing ‘recud’ for ‘record’. The word gets shorter each time I hear it. I’m sure it’s fine but it hurts. ‘Album’ would take the pain away.

uk /rɪˈkɔːd/
us /rɪˈkɔːrd/

Really testy all thoughout the thread. No humour. No understanding of hyperbole

Should win the prize. Im nominating him.

Yes when I worked in McDonalds, this is what we all called it

FILL EY, FILL EY, WHERES THE FILL EY.

Shouting at the tops of their voices because I was a bit slow with the stupid fill eys.

@likelysuspect , this is Pedants' corner. Why do you assume I'm a man?

Yes, it’s a diaresis.

@Milkwomen , but isn't a diaeresis a diacritic that splits a vowel from another vowel?

Is there a word other than Brontë that has the two dots on a vowel that doesn't have an adjacent vowel?

It's not an umlaut, but I don't think it's really a diaeresis either.

Patrick Brunty [as he was originally] wanted to sound a bit fancy I think

'The completely un-Italian diacritical accent which Patrick took to using over his final e had, it seems, most often initially the form of a macron or tilde ( viz ̄ or ̃ ). See Barker's page 840 Note 127. Only later does he seem to have made regular use of a diaeresis (see ibid. p. xvi). and then possibly only as a direct result of a printing error (ibid. p. 69) by which it appeared on the title page of his first book. The reason that he took to using such a device was presumably to draw attention to the fact that the name was not meant to be pronounced as a single syllable, as it should have been had it been of French or Portuguese origin. Because no accent is ever used in Italy in the spelling of the Italian word Bronte, an accent is inappropriate in spelling either the name of the Sicilian village or in quoting the title “Duke of Bronte” as Dr Barker does at her Note 2, page 835. Nelson himself used no sort of accent over the final e of his name when writing his signature.'

web.archive.org/web/20231130130411/yek.me.uk/bronte.html

@TellingBone , thanks. What I'm really asking is

• Is there any other word where a diaeresis is used when the vowel it's on isn't next to another vowel.
• Did Patrick Brontë use the wrong diacritic (using ë instead of é), possibly because it looks more fancy?

1.
the separation of two consecutive vowels, esp. of a diphthong, into two syllables
2.
a mark (¨) placed over the second of two consecutive vowels to show that it is pronounced in a separate syllable: the dieresis is now usually replaced by a hyphen (reënter, re-enter) or simply omitted (cooperate, naive)
: cf. umlaut