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It is pronounced cleek, not click!

290 replies

fancytoes · 18/03/2026 12:49

I am no SPAG pedant as I am rubbish at it, but I am a pronunciation pedant.

Please, if this is you, change your ways!

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Shithotlawyer · 22/03/2026 11:29

I reckon saying it like "click" is an eggcorn.

If you don't know it's French you might think it's something to do with a group of people you click with?

TellingBone · 22/03/2026 11:30

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 11:25

@TellingBone , thanks. What I'm really asking is

  • Is there any other word where a diaeresis is used when the vowel it's on isn't next to another vowel.
  • Did Patrick Brontë use the wrong diacritic (using ë instead of é), possibly because it looks more fancy?

1.
the separation of two consecutive vowels, esp. of a diphthong, into two syllables
2.
a mark (¨) placed over the second of two consecutive vowels to show that it is pronounced in a separate syllable: the dieresis is now usually replaced by a hyphen (reënter, re-enter) or simply omitted (cooperate, naive)
: cf. umlaut

Edited

There are several theories about Patrick's change of name so who knows?

As to your other question - I'm trying to think of one and this is now my mission for the day 😁

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 11:59

TellingBone · 22/03/2026 11:30

There are several theories about Patrick's change of name so who knows?

As to your other question - I'm trying to think of one and this is now my mission for the day 😁

All the examples I looked at only had one instance, Brontë.
They've fallen out of use in English, but I think some Welsh, Dutch, Spanish and French words have them.

TellingBone · 22/03/2026 12:06

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 11:59

All the examples I looked at only had one instance, Brontë.
They've fallen out of use in English, but I think some Welsh, Dutch, Spanish and French words have them.

No, I don't think there's another. My initial thought was saké but of course that's an acute accent.

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 13:46

Diaeresis (diacritic) - Wikipedia, @TellingBone .
Examples include the given names Chloë and Zoë, which otherwise might be pronounced with a silent e. To discourage a similar mispronunciation, the mark is also used in the surname Brontë.

"The missing diaereses may be as much of a mystery as the diaereses themselves." Brontë sisters finally get their dots as names corrected at Westminster Abbey | Books | The Guardian

Malinia · 22/03/2026 13:48

HoppityBun · 18/03/2026 13:19

TBF, in the US they make a better stab at homage than we do.

Do they? I say ommarge, how do you hear people saying it?

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 13:54

I say homij
uk /ˈhɒm.ɪdʒ/ us /ˈhɑː.mɪdʒ/ /ˈɑː.mɪdʒ/ /oʊˈmɑːʒ/

TellingBone · 22/03/2026 14:02

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 13:46

Diaeresis (diacritic) - Wikipedia, @TellingBone .
Examples include the given names Chloë and Zoë, which otherwise might be pronounced with a silent e. To discourage a similar mispronunciation, the mark is also used in the surname Brontë.

"The missing diaereses may be as much of a mystery as the diaereses themselves." Brontë sisters finally get their dots as names corrected at Westminster Abbey | Books | The Guardian

Yes but the question was whether there was another word where the vowel is not next to another vowel

Milkwomen · 22/03/2026 14:12

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 11:04

@Milkwomen , but isn't a diaeresis a diacritic that splits a vowel from another vowel?

Is there a word other than Brontë that has the two dots on a vowel that doesn't have an adjacent vowel?

It's not an umlaut, but I don't think it's really a diaeresis either.

Well, let’s call it a diacritical mark, introduced by a man reinventing his surname to stave off class and ethnic prejudices? That these were still absolutely at play in the Brontës’ is suggested by, among other things, Branwell being burned in effigy with a potato in his hand when he got involved with a crowd heckling Patrick when he spoke at a hustings.

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 14:30

Sorry, I'd gone back a post or two, I think Brontë's a rogue one.

@Milkwomen , diacritical mark is perfect. Thanks.

DeanElderberry · 22/03/2026 15:08

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 14:30

Sorry, I'd gone back a post or two, I think Brontë's a rogue one.

@Milkwomen , diacritical mark is perfect. Thanks.

He was trying to render a name correctly spelled Ó Proinntigh. Using a diacritical mark to make it clear it wasn't an English name, while obscuring the fact that is Irish, was understandable in that time and place.

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 15:26

DeanElderberry · 22/03/2026 15:08

He was trying to render a name correctly spelled Ó Proinntigh. Using a diacritical mark to make it clear it wasn't an English name, while obscuring the fact that is Irish, was understandable in that time and place.

That is documented. The choice of diacritical mark isn't.
Was é in use in English at the time?

Emma8888 · 22/03/2026 15:26

Until now, I’d always assumed the sisters went by A / B / C Bell because of gender. Now I think it’s because of the ridiculous spelling of their last name!

Milkwomen · 22/03/2026 16:19

HugoThatway · 22/03/2026 15:26

That is documented. The choice of diacritical mark isn't.
Was é in use in English at the time?

He seems to have used a macron or tilde at first, and there’s a suggestion in a Brontë Society paper commenting on Juliet Barker’s biography that PB may only have started using the diaresis because of a typo on the title page of his first book.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20231130130411/yek.me.uk/bronte.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20231130130411/yek.me.uk/bronte.html

Bronte or Brunty

https://web.archive.org/web/20231130130411/http://yek.me.uk/bronte.html

likelysuspect · 22/03/2026 17:23

Shithotlawyer · 22/03/2026 11:29

I reckon saying it like "click" is an eggcorn.

If you don't know it's French you might think it's something to do with a group of people you click with?

I think thats a really good point

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