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coping with empty nest syndrome, menopause with absent husband

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longpathtohappiness · 07/08/2023 10:43

I feel totally on my own a lot of the time. DH is here but either at work, talking about work or sleeping!

I struggle to cope with it all sometimes and feel totally on my own

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FrenchandSaunders · 06/01/2024 08:22

Why did he kick off about a muddy dog? 🙁

ssd · 06/01/2024 10:02

Ds is talking about moving out this summer too. I feel utter dread. I feel im disproportionately dreading it. Hes the youngest. There will be no more kids at home. I feel old, like im moving onto the next chapter, where its just me and dh. I really dread it, i feel its dredging up issues from the past and all hitting me at once. My parents are dead, i was very very close to them. My older siblings i keep no contact with, due to them basically not caring about me. I need to keep my distance for my own mental health. So i have no family except dh and the ds's and i feel once the ds's are gone I'll be the most loneliest person alive. Which is stupid as i have dh but hes man, he thinks like a man. He has siblings closer by and has absolutely no clue how isolated i feel in the world. My life has been the kids for over 25 years, them and caring for my parents too. Sure i worked, but just part time around everyone else. Now my parents are long gone and the kids are moving out. I feel my next stage is just get old and die lonely. I know that sounds ridiculous, i know theres many people outside this thread who would be all " oh the worlds your oyster now get out there"..,but im guessing these folks had good jobs and pensions or dhs who earned good money. Ive earned minimum wage for over 20 years as i had to give up a job i loved to work school hours at minimum wage so i could be at home when the ds's needed me. At the same time i was caring for my parents. And dh has always been a low earner. So we have no extra money for all the things mumsnet expects you to be doing when the kids leave home. Both our parents were in council houses too so there's no inheritance to help. We never had babysitters, we did everything with the kids.

Now it's s just more of the same, go to work, pay the bills and get on with it. Except it'll just be me and him, rattling around here without the ds's in the home. Away doing their own thing, which im delighted for them, they have done brilliant. They are such bloody great kids.
But no one prepares you for this next bit.

Sorry to moan, it helps to pour it out here.

longpathtohappiness · 06/01/2024 11:08

TotalOverhaul I really don't know but I'm back to walking on eggshells again

ssd totally feel your pain. I have no siblings, estranged DF, DM is dying and DH is a grumpy old man and DC are flying the nest. Totally feel at the next stage of my life and feel completely and utterly alone.

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Writingonthewalls · 06/01/2024 14:50

I feel your pain. I am not close to either of my siblings, and have a very strained relationship with my remaining parent who I see as rarely as possible.
Friendships have withered or just don't meet my needs anymore. I can't be bothered quite honestly to get out there and start building a different life. I'm exhausted. I wish I had seen this coming a long time ago. I also didn't build a 'career', I worked around the family part time in jobs I didn't enjoy. I wish now I had made work a priority instead of family because I am paying the price now.

everythingisgoingup · 06/01/2024 16:02

writingonthewalls

Our situations sounds similar, several of my friendships withered last year to the point of no Xmas cards etc this Christmas

Like you I have just fitted around the family with jobs and now I am without a career

No siblings and one child at Uni and the other a teen who is up and down in mood

It is lonely and I have little/no energy to change it 😢

Puravida23 · 06/01/2024 17:29

Can I join? Both DC have now moved out although both live relatively near but busy lives. Until I read this thread I thought I was alone with the DH sat silently on the sofa grunting replies and I am sad to say I am almost relieved to read other similar stories . You imagine everyone else is embracing this empty nest with date nights and shared hobbies and have spent way too long feeling miserable about out lack of social life
i intend to take all your advice and work on me. I already have a couple of hobbies which take me out the house but I think 2024 is going to be my year for self improvement whether that is new hobbies, more pampering or holidays alone . I need to take back some control and not rely on DH to make me happy.

longpathtohappiness · 06/01/2024 19:17

Same here, no career for me either. Worked jobs around kids. Have a boring job but I'm 52 with no qualifications so stuck. I'm just the little women at home, 1950s style

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ssd · 06/01/2024 23:01

I feel like that too and I'm also aware I'm financially on the back foot too.

But i couldn't have done it any different. There was no way i could have left ds in childcare all day and went to work. Or left them in childcare all school holidays. As well as ignored my mum, who totally relied on me. There just wasn't a choice.

And i don't miss having an important job. I miss having more money but we cut our cloth 25 years ago and I'm used to it.

I just never guessed how hard letting them go would be.

ssd · 06/01/2024 23:06

I seen this somewhere, it was from an American newspaper, but the sentiment is the same anywhere....

My local paper in the US has printed this every year since 2006 at this time of year (back to college time). It sums it up for me.

"I wasn't wrong about their leaving. My husband kept telling me I was. That it wasn't the end of the world when first one child, then another , and then the last packed their bags and left for college.

But it was the end of something. Can you pick me up, Mom?" What's for dinner?" ``What do you think?"

I was the sun and they were the planets. And there was life on those planets, whirling, non stop plans and parties and friends coming and going, and ideas and dreams and the phone ringing and doors slamming.

And I got to beam down on them. To watch. To glow.

And then they were gone, one after the other.

``They'll be back," my husband said. And he was right. They came back. But he was wrong, too, because they came back for intervals -- not for always, not planets anymore, making their predictable orbits, but unpredictable, like shooting stars.

Always is what you miss. Always knowing where they are. At school. At play practice. At a ballgame. At a friend's. Always looking at the clock mid day and anticipating the door opening, the sigh, the smile, the laugh, the shrug. How was school?" answered for years in too much detail. And then he said . . . and then I said to him. . . ." Then hardly answered at all.

Always, knowing his friends.

Her favorite show.

What he had for breakfast.

What she wore to school.

What he thinks.

How she feels.

My friend Beth's twin girls left for Roger Williams yesterday. They are her fourth and fifth children. She's been down this road three times before. You'd think it would get easier.

``I don't know what I'm going to do without them," she has said every day for months.

And I have said nothing, because, really, what is there to say?

A chapter ends. Another chapter begins. One door closes and another door opens. The best thing a parent can give their child is wings. I read all these things when my children left home and thought then what I think now: What do these words mean?

Eighteen years isn't a chapter in anyone's life. It's a whole book, and that book is ending and what comes next is connected to, but different from, everything that has gone before.

Before was an infant, a toddler, a child, a teenager. Before was feeding and changing and teaching and comforting and guiding and disciplining, everything hands -on. Now?

Now the kids are young adults and on their own and the parents are on the periphery, and it's not just a chapter change. It's a sea change.

As for a door closing? Would that you could close a door and forget for even a minute your children and your love for them and your fear for them, too. And would that they occupied just a single room in your head. But they're in every room in your head and in your heart.

As for the wings analogy? It's sweet. But children are not birds. Parents don't let them go and build another nest and have all new offspring next year.

Saying goodbye to your children and their childhood is much harder than all the pithy sayings make it seem. Because that's what going to college is. It's goodbye.

It's not a death. And it's not a tragedy.

But it's not nothing, either.

To grow a child, a body changes. It needs more sleep. It rejects food it used to like. It expands and it adapts.

To let go of a child, a body changes, too. It sighs and it cries and it feels weightless and heavy at the same time.

The drive home alone without them is the worst. And the first few days. But then it gets better. The kids call, come home, bring their friends, fill the house with their energy again.

Life does go on.

Can you give me a ride to the mall?" Mom, make him stop!" I don't miss this part of parenting, playing chauffeur and referee. But I miss them, still, all these years later, the children they were, at the dinner table, beside me on the couch, talking on the phone, sleeping in their rooms, safe, home, mine."

Writingonthewalls · 06/01/2024 23:22

That’s so moving and so true. Particularly what hit me is not knowing who their friends are anymore or knowing where they are. My DD described her cat as her family the other day. She also said friends can be more important than family. That cut like a knife. They come home infrequently for short periods and then I know I won’t see them for months.
They grew in our bodies and listened to her heartbeat for nine months. There’s always a pull towards them wherever they are.

TotalOverhaul · 07/01/2024 09:26

I agree with all of that - lovely, true quote,

BUT. I honestly think we all need to toughen up. I made that decision last year. Because my yearning for them was starting to be problematic to them. And because, however much we hate it, life has changed, and that shooting star instead of planet analogy is so true.

I made myself go off on my own a few times (I chickened out once but then forced myself the other times) I didn;t really enjoy it but I am glad i did it and I think I would enjoy it more if I did it again, now it;s no longer a sort of test run for being on my own. It really made me think: what do I want to do for the next twenty years.? (Not found the answer yet) But we are not in old age yet. I want to get fit again and strong, and vigorous and a bit less scared of the world. I want some adventures and to tick some stuff off bucket lists. See more of the world. Especially (but not sure how) make some contribution to the world other than to my own immediate family.

DS is about to move abroad probably for good. DH and I privately feel sick at the thought. He has a partner and a job on the other side of the world in a very boring industrial town. But he's only 22!!!!! We will have to use up every single penny of holiday savings every year just to see him, and never go anywhere interesting instead. Or...accept he's gone. Visit him a couple of times, insist on a weekly Zoom call, pay for him to fly back for Christmas etc. I think we'll do that.

Writingonthewalls · 07/01/2024 09:55

TotalOverhaul · 07/01/2024 09:26

I agree with all of that - lovely, true quote,

BUT. I honestly think we all need to toughen up. I made that decision last year. Because my yearning for them was starting to be problematic to them. And because, however much we hate it, life has changed, and that shooting star instead of planet analogy is so true.

I made myself go off on my own a few times (I chickened out once but then forced myself the other times) I didn;t really enjoy it but I am glad i did it and I think I would enjoy it more if I did it again, now it;s no longer a sort of test run for being on my own. It really made me think: what do I want to do for the next twenty years.? (Not found the answer yet) But we are not in old age yet. I want to get fit again and strong, and vigorous and a bit less scared of the world. I want some adventures and to tick some stuff off bucket lists. See more of the world. Especially (but not sure how) make some contribution to the world other than to my own immediate family.

DS is about to move abroad probably for good. DH and I privately feel sick at the thought. He has a partner and a job on the other side of the world in a very boring industrial town. But he's only 22!!!!! We will have to use up every single penny of holiday savings every year just to see him, and never go anywhere interesting instead. Or...accept he's gone. Visit him a couple of times, insist on a weekly Zoom call, pay for him to fly back for Christmas etc. I think we'll do that.

Great attitude. I have always gone off on my own and had interests etc, been keen to make new friends. Somehow though I’ve lost all interest in doing that. I need to give myself a kick up the backside. OH has friends and hobbies. He’s more outgoing than me these days!

TotalOverhaul · 07/01/2024 11:02

@Writingonthewalls - I've lost the interest too. That's why last year felt so weird. I did things I 'ought' to want to do with almost zero enthusiasm for doing them. But they were still good for me, and I noticed people took me a bit more seriously - came up to me at parties, intrigued by what I'd been up to. I was no longer just 'Total's mum'. And I look back on last year and think 'Glad I did that'. I felt a bit numb at the time, going through the motions, but it really has helped start to shift something in me, start to nudge me towards a life of my own on my own terms, not via DC and DH.

So I suggest, do stuff anyway, even if you are not in the mood. It is better than vegetating and pining for DC.

ssd · 07/01/2024 18:56

True @TotalOverhaul

22 and in the other side of the world fills me with dread....

But i did this at 18!! And i never thought once how my mum felt, never thought to ask....just did it, cos i couldGrin

You're only young once, I'd never stop mine either

longpathtohappiness · 14/01/2024 11:52

Just bumping this, feel so alone today. Can't stop crying. I really don't think I'm going to get through this.

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vjg13 · 14/01/2024 17:00

@longpathtohappiness So sorry to hear that. Is it a particular thing that has happened?

longpathtohappiness · 14/01/2024 18:51

vjg13 kids have been out all weekend, really missed them. Feels like a knife to the heart, can't stop crying. DH just sleeps...

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morethanthisprovinciallife · 14/01/2024 19:01

Can I join please. DSD moved out in September for her dream Job 4 hours away and DS went off to uni a week later.

I have really been struggling. Feel like the best of my life is behind me which I know is probably not true but how it feels.

Both came home for Christmas which was great but I feel very low again now. DH has adapted very easily and just doesn't understand how I feel.

Our family home is very empty and I feel so lost.

Sorry for the long post, feels good to write it down.

longpathtohappiness · 14/01/2024 19:13

morethanthisprovinciallife sending hugs. I bought a new mop yesterday, how sad is my life

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Polgara2 · 14/01/2024 22:16

@longpathtohappiness oh I am feeling the same currently. So very low and lonely. When is it going to end?

morethanthisprovinciallife · 15/01/2024 12:49

longpathtohappiness · 14/01/2024 19:13

morethanthisprovinciallife sending hugs. I bought a new mop yesterday, how sad is my life

Thank you. That sounds about as exciting as my weekend.

ssd · 15/01/2024 13:23

I went a walk in my local park yesterday and i felt like i was the only person walking alone. Dh didn't want to come as there was football on, plus he hates the local park. I wish i had an interest like him, he would watch football 24/7 if he could. The only things that consume me like that are the kids and they are grown up and don't need me as much.
Its a strange time, you feel you're being shoved into something you don't want and you're the only one who cares. All whilst being proud and pleased for your kids they're moving on.

So weird..

Writingonthewalls · 15/01/2024 17:43

ssd · 15/01/2024 13:23

I went a walk in my local park yesterday and i felt like i was the only person walking alone. Dh didn't want to come as there was football on, plus he hates the local park. I wish i had an interest like him, he would watch football 24/7 if he could. The only things that consume me like that are the kids and they are grown up and don't need me as much.
Its a strange time, you feel you're being shoved into something you don't want and you're the only one who cares. All whilst being proud and pleased for your kids they're moving on.

So weird..

I really get this. My OH is obsessed with his hobbies. He just doesn’t think about our kids that much. I’ve just got off the phone to one of them and think I wish I was closer. That’s the only think that really matters to me. Family.

ssd · 15/01/2024 23:32

Same Sad

longpathtohappiness · 18/01/2024 11:31

morethanthisprovinciallife I'm really really struggling with this stage so cleaning like a mad thing to keep busy and occupied. Buying more cleaning stuff this weekend!

I had an absusive childhood and adolescence, self worth is zero. Really really struggling

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