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The Motherhood Delusion

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SantaLucia · 07/08/2008 17:37

A thread to safely house all the thoughts that you are ashamed to admit. Example:

Why did we have children?

When does it all become worth it?

The day my child was born was NOT the best day of my life (it was my wedding) and I absolutely remember the pain and the boredom of being in hospital.

I can't be bothered reading about child development.

The health visitor is not worth a trip in the rain with a sleeping baby.

Thank goodness I'm over that "newborn" stage. Roll on year 5!

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whereeverIlaymyhat · 29/06/2009 09:27

Gosh reading this thread makes you wonder why people are so conditioned to thinking having children is the norm and to be expected. Clearly for lots of people having children is not something they have enjoyed and perhaps shouldn't have done, maybe we need as a society to be more truthful about what parenting is really like and people can make a more informed decision.

jybay · 29/06/2009 18:41

Agree with that - so why is it such a taboo? I can understand that you wouldn't want to upset someone who was already pregnant, but more honesty would allow non-parents to make a more informed decision and would also make it easier for parents like the posters on this thread to share their feelings IRL.

MIAonline · 29/06/2009 19:04

But, this is a thread for parents to off load. You are not going to get everybody talking about the absolute joys of being a parent on it.

I have seen countless threads also, where parents talk about all the amazing things about being a parent.

I think people are honest in RL, everybody moans to their friends at some point, but it is also mixed in with lots of positives. That is what will enable people to make an informed decision.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

CurryMaid · 29/06/2009 19:07

Did anyone see the article in the Sunday Times about all this? Just wondered if this is way the lazy journo author had ripped it from.

jybay · 29/06/2009 22:34

MIAonline - I'm confused (assuming your post was replying to mine). I have been entirely supportive of the posters on here and their honesty. My point is that I find it very helpful.

Greyclay · 30/06/2009 15:40

I was really pleased to find this thread. My daughter is almost 2 and I have found motherhood to be a rollercoaster ride from moments of sublime bliss to dark nights of the soul and back again. With lots of monotony in between. And I love her so much it hurts. And I would trade my right arm for 48 hours to myself.

My big issue with the "motherhood delusion" are the societal representations/expectations of motherhood portrayed in books, movies, tv, media, etc. In diaper commercials, the women are dewy and serene as they kiss the toes of their smiling, cooing baby. In a quiet, clean house. With perfectly styled hair and groomed eyebrows and full makeup. I realize it's just a commercial but I think that these images perpetuate a damaging message to women and set us up for failure as parents (or at least make us feel that way). To me the message is, if you've made the choice to have a child you are not able to do it all (have multiple children, successful marriages, work, and run an efficient household, keep yourself manicured and LOVE EVERY MINUTE)then you're doing something wrong.

I remember seeing an interview with Mel C. of the Spice Girls who was pregnant at the time. The interviewer asked her which one of her fellow Spice Girls she would most trust to child mind for her. She said, "Any one of their Nannies!". She is now my favourite Spice Girl.

PurlyQueen · 30/06/2009 16:11

Every day, I miss being able to get out of bed at a time of my choosing, eat breakfast when I like, take my time in the bathroom and have the freedom and spare cash to do what I want when I want.

I still live in vain hope that holidays mean a break from the day-to-day routine. I keep buying lots of books that I plan to read even though deep down I know I'll probably have to wait until my DS is at secondary school (he's 15 months old) before I have to chance to read a book from cover to cover.

HarryB · 01/07/2009 08:19

I'm almost to scared to admit how I feel - there is such a stigma. I'm early days at this and still on maternity leave and have found it unbelievably hard. I even considered asking my boss if I could go back to work early, and the only reason I haven't is to not give the MiL the satisfaction of knowing I am struggling. Everyone said motherhood is great and that I'd be a great mum, but 99% of the time, I feel like I am walking in treacle.

DS is only 6 months. I play with him but nothing seems to hold his attention so it gets boring for both of us quite quickly. We go for walks, but can only walk so far. He naps only 30 mins at a time and that's after lots of whinging. I am secretly giving him a dummy for nap times which I have to hide when the MiL comes round because I can't deal with her judging me. I have tried baby groups, but after an initial burst of enthusiasm, I always get bored with the dull chit chat about baby stuff. I have yet to click with any other mothers that I meet. I want to have a laugh and giggle with other mums but I've yet to meet one on the same wavelength.

Add into the mix, a MiL and SiL that have made me feel like a spare part in my own life and utterly inadequate as a mother and it's no wonder that some days I feel like screaming. I feel so lonely and isolated that every morning I want to beg DH not to go to work. I love DS so much and he by and large a happy baby, but I feel a bit cheated. When DH gets home and DS kicks his legs in delight, I feel jealous and miffed that I've spent all day with him running around like a nut and he squeals in delight at someone he hasn't seen since the night before. I used to be confident career minded woman. I now feel pathetic, like my worth is based on what this little person thinks of me, and what other people think of me as a mother.

poshsinglemum · 02/07/2009 14:59

Being a mum can be wonderful but it can be bloody awful too.

The constant cleaning.
The having to be a sensible bloody role model.
The other bloody competetive bloody mothers.
The lack of social life.

On the plus side- my liver has been saved by having dd and dd is so bloody georgeous she gets away with murder!

Not sure if I can be arsed to have another though. I miss my me time a lot.

poshsinglemum · 02/07/2009 15:04

Also- I am insanely jealous of my mate who finds the whole new mum business sublime. She is wafting around in a cloud of maternal bliss without a bad word to say about it. Why didn't I feel like this- why? And am I the only new mum who wants to talk about politics, art, books and film aswell as just baby stuff? Because it's bloody hard work trying to change the subject onto something that isn't baby related!

Sunflower100 · 02/07/2009 20:42

The boredom - no-one wants to talk anything except babies (well you have to seek the rare gems out who do and hold onto these friends) and the bloody wiping - wiping nose, wiping tables, wiping bums. I'm so pleased Im not alone.

canttouchthis · 02/07/2009 21:18

wish I'd found this thread ages ago! what a great way to offload all the stresses and strains of motherhood (and there are loads!).
I get so annoyed at how motherhood is portrayed as some wonderful thing, where you are made to feel guilty when you have negative feelings about your new role. For me, the lack of sleep is something I'll never get over since having DS. I still have a massive sleep debt (he's 2 now) but hoping to make it up eventually by going to bed early as often as I can. No one tells you how hard that is, to suffer from sleep deprivation, it's a basic need (to sleep), the need for sleep, to rest, to have five minutes even during the day to gather your thoughts, to give yourself the strength to just carry on and appreciate how lucky you really are to have had this child.
Argh, and the mother and toddler groups, I gave up on that after a few sessions, got fed up discussing trivial stuff like bottle feeding or buggies, who has the best one etc. Don't care, would just like to talk about anything else other than babies...it's not a lot to ask.

poshsinglemum · 03/07/2009 12:33

I have had mates with children telling me how it is so amazing and they can't wait to have more. Yes it is amazing in many ways but the same mates also say that they don't mind the lack of sleep, crying, lack of social life, whining, bodily fluids eyc because it is cute.
Oh come on- I want to say. Lets talk about anything apart from bloody poo and puke for a while. And no- the sound of my baby crying isn't cute.
By far the hardest part of motherhood for me is the constant worry. I can see a potential danger in everything from telephone wires (strangulation hazards) to gravel on the path (choking hazards). I used to be so adventurous and was a member of the University exploration society. Now I am wary of crossing the road. I feel like my world has shrunk.

I think that mums are frightened of saying anything negative as they think it will mean they don't love their kids. i love dd more than anything on this earth- that's why it's so tough. If we didn't care we wouldn't be wracked with guilt and worry all the time. Also mums are frightened of being incompetant or bad mothers.

OrmIrian · 03/07/2009 12:41

One thing I have learned is that you don't have to be perfect. It doesn't matter if your routine gets screwed up sometimes, your child won't die from the occassional MaccyD, he/she won't suffer irreversible brain damage from a late night once a week, ice-cream isn't poisonous, and the phrase 'Yes, OK then' doesn't instantly turn your child into a delinquent. In other words it's OK to make this really hard job easier on yourself, and on your DC. Sometimes going with the flow, letting things happen, is the essence of being a good parent. It does make it all a bit easier.

But anyone who went into parenthood beleiving it was going to be a piss of piss was really asking for disappointment.

OrmIrian · 03/07/2009 12:45

And I do drink wine, I do go out, I take time to myself. It's better that way. If you allow your parenthood to stop you doing all these things resentment will eat away at you.

stickylittlefingers · 03/07/2009 12:59

But isn't it quite hard to do these things, especially when they're very little, but even now? I've looked at that sitters website, but still can't get over the fact that I don't really know the people. It's either DP or me - we do do things on our own very occasionally, but we never do things as a couple any more. I think I'm supposed not to mind...

OrmIrian · 03/07/2009 13:03

Yes it is. Mine are a lot older now and I do remember it was harder when they were small. But there is nothing to stop you going out and leaving DP at home and vice versa. Can you swap babysitting duties with other parents you know? GPs around?

poshsinglemum · 03/07/2009 13:43

Hi Orm,

I agree that trying to be perfect will result in resentment. I was feeling quite resentful recently as I wasn't having any fun. Slowly getting better.

I didn't think that motherhood would be easy- I just didn't think it would be so hard. Even going to the loo is a mission!

I resent the mummy mafia that vet each other's parenting. I think that other women largely drive this iamge of perfection. I think that motherhood has unfortunately made me more judgemental and thus more likely to be judged.
On the positive side- other women can be a great source of support- hence my obsession with mn.

OrmIrian · 03/07/2009 14:02

Funnily it's made me less judgemental. Because I've realised just how many compromises have to be made.

Totally ot - was it you who said you knew me from rl posh? I can't remember.

hmc · 03/07/2009 14:37

Anyone seen the Times article yesterday quoting research that demonstrates that whilst marriage (or partnership) makes you happier, having children reduces happiness and levels of former happiness are not restored again until the youngest child leaves home!

Must say, I have idly noticed, whilst out and about, those late middle life couples (in 50's) who seem quite loved up and companiable doing their own thing...and I have surprised myself with the stirrings of envy I felt!

Acinonyx · 03/07/2009 14:55

stickylittle fingers - this is something I am finding increasingly difficult. Dh and I have been out alone at night together 3 times since dd was born (she's about to turn 4). We have one couple for occaisional babysitting now - but I would so like to be able to go out together. Even just a walk on a summer evening and a drink at the pub. I don't like being stuck at home every evening - I've always like to go out a lot.

Sometimes I feel terrible that I don't enjoy playing with dd more. She is rather high maintenance and does not like to be alone or play alone. Oh please let me just read a book in peace! If I were a SAHM, I'd go stark raving bonkers.

I don't regret having dd - but for her sake, I do really wonder if I'm not really cut out for motherhood.

I'm definitley less judgemental though.

stickylittlefingers · 04/07/2009 22:05

I also find it difficult not to be insanely jealous of people who have gps, siblings etc nearby for babysitting! We have been out once together in the evening since my 5yo dd was born. I adore my dds and I do look forward so much to seeing them when I get home from work, but I do worry that dp and I don't spend enough time together. Not in an -oh no we're going to split up imminently- way, but just that we're not doing all we should for the Relationship.

Acinonyx - our dd1 sounds a bit like yours... it is getting easier as she gets older and can do more stuff on her own. It's also been nice to be shown I wasn't making it up, cos dd2 is a great little play-all-by herselfer - it's not about you, it's just their personalities!

honeydew · 07/07/2009 12:04

this is the only thread where I can be really truthful about my feelings. I could spend all day saying what I really think but it would get far too boring!

I had 3 DC's in three years. Horrible pregnacies,one natural assisted birth, on emergency Section and one elective.

The whole experience has been a fucking nightmare and although I love my kids dearly, the work load the three of them generate is beyond belief.

I have no parental help, only a few close friends who all have young children and no money for a cleaner or mother's help.

I gave up my job as a Head of Department in a secondary school once my second child as born.

Becoming a mother for me has been such a transformation of everything that I used to be that I barely know who I am now. I am just a robot -a skivvy to my whole family.

My husband does take the kids off my hands here and there but does no housework.

I have had huge pregnancy complications. I now have a condition called Diastasis Recti. My abdomen has separated after the birth of my third child and I have an umbilical hernia. I have to have major surgery next month and abdominoplasty to put me back together again otherwise I am disfigured for life as I look about 7 months pregnant on a size 10 frame. Not only that I am always in pain.

Had I known the true life I was going to face as a dull housewife and mother with the never ending repetitive, unpaid, unrewarding monotony of housework, I would run to the hills!

My DH and I never get a moment's peace spend time out together or have an time for intimacy as a couple. Having children has placed a huge strain on our relationship and our lives are a;most like housemates, rather than a couple.

I am a well educated woman, who had a full career and an independent life. I am now for various and legitimate finacial reasons, dependent on my husband for money and my home. No different to being a kid really!

I fee I've lost everything of my former self and am left now as a generic term-' mum'

My mother never prepared me for motherhood in the slightest, I was an only child and my mother always worked. I never held a baby until I had my own and new nothing of what mother hood really involved, apart from that babies keep you awake.

As I said, i do really love my brood and in themselves they are wonderful children who light up my life. But the maternal role is just sheer drudgery and I know realise how I was very very foolish I was to have 3 so quickly and without a proper support network, just a few close friends and my church.

It's the housework and the lack of money that gets me the most. Every day I'm cooking, cleaning, washing, tidying and ironing like a prisoner, trapped in my little cell - the house. I do hope to write a book which I have been working on for a few years now but I'm always too tired to fucking concentrate!

I so often think what was the point of getting a master degree and teaching for 10 years ( so I spent 5 years at uni altogether just to give it up to be a cleaner and cook and wash all day? I've never had postnatal depression - I've experienced a kind of schism of identity I feel so lost in the motherhood role.

Do I regret having kids? Hmm... I've paid such a huge price- lost my career because we can't afford childcare for 3, got no money for anything apart form the basics because we have to cope on one salary and my guts had come apart and fallen out- so most of the time I feel totally overwhelmed and exhausted.

I don't regret the children but I believe women espeically should be better informed at school on the implications of motherhood for their jobs, careers and lifestyles. Men in general do NOT pay the same penalties for having children what women do; there seems such a lack of awareness by young girls about how having children will change you life.

I just wish good quality affordable childcare was available so that I could work part -time for the good of my family. I would be able to keep working, have a break from the kids ( and them me) and feel more worthwhile. Motherhood is such a thankless role most of the time, yet if you do it badly, you are considered an outcast.

I hate hate hate the school run and the yummy mummies at my DD's primary school are the most staid, dull and self obsessed group of people. All they talk about is their kids.

I also dislike the fact that I'm now judged by people not on my academic performance, my skills as a teacher, my looks or my personality but now that I am first and foremost now- 'a mum' of three.

Many mothers I think suffer a chronic lack of support both from partners, their local community and society. Motherhood destroys your value as a woman in your own right and unles you are rich enough to afford help or have parents who are very supportive, then you may as well be living in the fifties.

I could just go on and on so I'll stop there. Thank you for listening to my negative rant.

passionfruity · 07/07/2009 19:48

After reading this thread I am having serious doubts about whether to have children .

I had thought that if it was really that bad ('it' meaning giving birth and raising a child), people would only have one child but from what some of you have said it seems it doesn't get too bad until you have a couple of children.

Sorry if this seems a strange question but what do you think are the most important qualities needed to be a good mum e.g. patience, high tolerance for monotony, being loving and supportive? Trying to work out if I'm cut out for it or not.

Greyclay · 07/07/2009 21:51

Oh Honeydew...you have been through the wars haven't you. You made some very wise comments in your post.

Passionfruity - I would say patience. I would normally describe myself as a patient person and I have had to delve deeper into that personal resource well since having my DD more than I ever thought possible.