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To be infuriated with social services…

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QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 11:24

To cut a long story short, my son moved out and went to live with dad, grandma, 2 aunties, aunties boyfriend and a newborn last year. This is not a court ordered arrangement, no social services involvement etc. Child wanted to live with dad and as he has parental responsibility he is allowed by law to keep him and not return him if he doesn’t want to. Dad refuses any contact with me and grandma has taken over - she arranges visits with me, she takes care of him whilst dad works etc. she removed him from the school he was at since pre-school with me, and changed his school.

Recently she took him out of school and is ‘home educating’. After speaking to my child he’s told me that he does no form of education whatsoever. When I text to see him, she often tells me he’s ’still In bed’ at 11 and 12 in the afternoon. He comes to visit me looking exhausted and dishevelled, tells me he’s been awake until 2am on the PlayStation. He spends his entire life on games and has no education. Dad doesn’t bother with him. I weighed him as I noticed he had gained considerable weight since moving there, he now weighs 66kg at just 9 years old, which is morbidly obese. Any time I collect him, he’s got multiple bags of sweets and McDonald’s, so it’s clear why he’s this weight. They have no control over him, let him do anything, stay up all night, eat junk, swear, play violent games.

During the last visit to me, his little brother dropped a teddy behind someone’s fence. My eldest proceeded to kick and punch at the fence to get it open. I told him to stop as he was going to break it and get me into trouble, and to instead knock on the door and ask politely for access. His response was to tell me to ‘shut the f* up’. I asked gran to collect him and told her what he had said and she started laughing.

I rang ss last week as I’m concerned for his weight and education. My mum also rang them as she’s recently seen him herself and is concerned about him in their care. They said they have sent a letter to dad to offer ‘optional support’ and contacted the education board to do a check. Yesterday they called me back after I emailed them further evidence of his junk diet and gaming. She told me it had all been screened and allegedly does not require social services intervention. I am absolutely raging beyond belief.

I can’t keep him myself when he comes here, as he will just run away back to dads, and dad can keep him and not return him once again. He prefers living with dad as there’s no rules or restrictions and he can do whatever the hell he wants.

Im concerned for his health, he is very clearly at high risk for diabetes, heart issues amongst other things. He’s got no future job prospects or chance of any GCSE’s when he does no learning. His attitude and behaviour is uncontrollable. There’s essentially no hope for his future while he’s living there. Police have refused to do a welfare check on the child on 2 ocassions. He does not see a GP, go to school etc so there’s nobody in a safeguarding position to check on him at all. His last school even refused to give information to me about why he was removed, despite me having PR and legal right to his education records. I have been dismissed, refused information on my own child, and treated appallingly throughout this whole saga. He had terrible attendance at the school he went to with me, because gran was having him 3 nights per week at that point and would often keep him off because ‘he didn’t want to go in’. The school had also refused to allow me to collect him and handed him to grandma instead who has no legal rights. My child told me when he first moved out he ‘wasn’t allowed’ to talk to me. I walked round the whole of town with my 3 year old, going to every school near his home to find him. Eventually I found what school he was at, I called them, they confirmed he went there so I walked up to see him. The school had called GRANDMA and had her waiting in reception when I arrived, forced me to have a meeting with her and refused me to see my son, all the while dad has no involvement in any of this. I am utterly appalled at how I’ve been treated by every single agency. My child was never took off me, I have no issues with drink or drugs, never hit him, never emotionally abused him etc, no cause for concerns at my house. Just a strict routine of bed time at 8pm, no fizzy drinks, no junk food, must attend school etc and apparently this is bad parenting on my behalf to the point I’ve been treated like a criminal.

sorry for the long post but I wanted to get this off my chest.

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QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 12:47

nixon1976 · 19/02/2026 12:46

I think PP is suggesting that you'd have gone to court on the very next day to fight to get him back

For a child that’s stated he doesn’t want to live here? For every agency I’ve spoken to has treated me terribly and once they’ve spoken to his grandma they are on her side? She talks her way out of everything. Besides the point her sisters are lawyers so she’s already got an advantage. They are a large close knit family who will stop at nothing to get what they want.

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Rayqueen2026 · 19/02/2026 12:48

Someone didn't read post correctly she hasn't got parental responsibility the dad has...I think there's a lot more to this than what's written so got no comment other than I feel sorry for the young lad there's reasons behind behaviours and doesn't sound like he is happy bless him

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 12:49

Rayqueen2026 · 19/02/2026 12:48

Someone didn't read post correctly she hasn't got parental responsibility the dad has...I think there's a lot more to this than what's written so got no comment other than I feel sorry for the young lad there's reasons behind behaviours and doesn't sound like he is happy bless him

Yes I have got parental responsibility… where does it say that I don’t? There is nothing more than what’s written here.

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JLou08 · 19/02/2026 12:50

You have parental responsibility. It's your responsibility to sort this out, not social services. You need to make an application to the family court.

TheGrimSmile · 19/02/2026 12:52

But you also have PR so you get a say in his education. I would make an application to the private court for a specific issue order- to say that he needs to be in school; or there needs to be some agreement around his education. The court will appoint a cafcass officer. Im not opposed to home ed; it can be the right choice, especially if a child has any SEND but I would want to raise this before a court. You might also want to apply for a lives with/ contact order while you are at it. It all depends on his age because if he's old enough, he'll vote with his feet.

TheGrimSmile · 19/02/2026 12:53

Rayqueen2026 · 19/02/2026 12:48

Someone didn't read post correctly she hasn't got parental responsibility the dad has...I think there's a lot more to this than what's written so got no comment other than I feel sorry for the young lad there's reasons behind behaviours and doesn't sound like he is happy bless him

Mothers always have PR automatically.

Pancakesbythedozen · 19/02/2026 12:57

Sounds like you need to go to court.. Your ex doesn't get to decide ds is home schooled.. He hasn't got a lives with order either so you need to fight this. Your ds is 9 and needs you.

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 12:58

Rayqueen2026 · 19/02/2026 12:48

Someone didn't read post correctly she hasn't got parental responsibility the dad has...I think there's a lot more to this than what's written so got no comment other than I feel sorry for the young lad there's reasons behind behaviours and doesn't sound like he is happy bless him

What exactly are you trying to allude to here by saying there’s more than what’s written? SS have visited my home and had meetings with me prior in regards to this situation and it’s agreed by them I’m a fit and capable parent and my son is completely free to move back here at any time and there’s no concern surrounding that whatsoever.

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BoredZelda · 19/02/2026 12:58

RudolphTheReindeer · 19/02/2026 12:39

How long has he been living with dad? I find it concerning a child who is 9 (and under 9, as it sounds like he's been living there a while and was obviously running away previously) has even been able to run away to dads house.

I think you need to take some responsibility here op, this is a young child not a teenager. You haven't been to court to get access. It doesn't particularly sound like you want him to live with you either. If a dad posted this he'd be ripped a new one.

id hazard a guess he probably has unidentified Sen if your younger ds has and this is probably partly what's behind his behaviour.

I agree with this. If they split when the child was 3, I can’t see how the behaviour of not wanting to switch off from gaming was happening at that age. I’d be interested in what was going on in the pre-schools, early school years that got him to the stage of not wanting to live with mum. I’d assume it all started kicking off with the new partner and new baby. OP says there has been no trauma, but a split then a new blended family can be traumatic to a child of that age.

Rather than looking for SS to step in, I would have thought legal action was more appropriate. Also trying to improve the relationship with him would be vital. It doesn’t sound like he has a brilliant life where he is. A 9 year old wouldn’t generally find eating crap all day and staying up late to play games is good over the long term. They want friends, to be out playing with them. What’s being described here is a teenager.

dapsnotplimsolls · 19/02/2026 13:01

I agree with PPs that you need legal advice.

nowayho · 19/02/2026 13:01

RudolphTheReindeer · 19/02/2026 12:39

How long has he been living with dad? I find it concerning a child who is 9 (and under 9, as it sounds like he's been living there a while and was obviously running away previously) has even been able to run away to dads house.

I think you need to take some responsibility here op, this is a young child not a teenager. You haven't been to court to get access. It doesn't particularly sound like you want him to live with you either. If a dad posted this he'd be ripped a new one.

id hazard a guess he probably has unidentified Sen if your younger ds has and this is probably partly what's behind his behaviour.

Sorry, but I agree with this.

In the kindest way, It doesn’t sound as if you want your Son back. I think most Mums would fight until the very end to make sure they had access to their children, regardless of any issues.

You want to make sure is weight is under control & that he is cared for properly, however are not willing to try and get him back so you can make sure he is cared for well.

He is also 9 years old and shouldn’t have been allowed to decide where he wanted to live. I think you also said he has been with his Dad for quite some time now, so that means he made the decision to be with Dad at a much younger age. That shouldn’t have been his decision.

Also, I’m not saying you’re not a good Mum, however telling him that you were a good Mum when he is older won’t wash. He will know you did nothing to get him back. He will likely be messed up by this & when he has his own children, he will be distraught at the fact you didn’t even try. I know someone who has been in a similar situation & they have gone on to take drugs, become an alcoholic etc because they can’t cope with the fact their Mum wasn’t bothered about them growing up. It has a massive effect on kids.

While you think you are doing the best thing for him by staying with his Dad, you are not. He’s not old enough to make these decision. You are responsible for him and need to step up, but it just seems like you’re bothered about his weight.

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 13:02

BoredZelda · 19/02/2026 12:58

I agree with this. If they split when the child was 3, I can’t see how the behaviour of not wanting to switch off from gaming was happening at that age. I’d be interested in what was going on in the pre-schools, early school years that got him to the stage of not wanting to live with mum. I’d assume it all started kicking off with the new partner and new baby. OP says there has been no trauma, but a split then a new blended family can be traumatic to a child of that age.

Rather than looking for SS to step in, I would have thought legal action was more appropriate. Also trying to improve the relationship with him would be vital. It doesn’t sound like he has a brilliant life where he is. A 9 year old wouldn’t generally find eating crap all day and staying up late to play games is good over the long term. They want friends, to be out playing with them. What’s being described here is a teenager.

So you are blaming an innocent toddler for this? Me and my partner have been together for 5 years with a very stable relationship and my son loves his younger brother and has expressed on numerous occasions he is ‘so pleased I had him’. He was never pushed out, I made a conscious effort to take my son on days out just him and I on our own. His father used to refer to me as a ‘fat sl*g’ in front of the child and was verbally abusive towards me, was I expected to stay in that relationship to avoid this? And how would that have impacted him in the future?

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Driftingawaynow · 19/02/2026 13:05

RudolphTheReindeer · 19/02/2026 12:39

How long has he been living with dad? I find it concerning a child who is 9 (and under 9, as it sounds like he's been living there a while and was obviously running away previously) has even been able to run away to dads house.

I think you need to take some responsibility here op, this is a young child not a teenager. You haven't been to court to get access. It doesn't particularly sound like you want him to live with you either. If a dad posted this he'd be ripped a new one.

id hazard a guess he probably has unidentified Sen if your younger ds has and this is probably partly what's behind his behaviour.

Spot on

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 13:06

nowayho · 19/02/2026 13:01

Sorry, but I agree with this.

In the kindest way, It doesn’t sound as if you want your Son back. I think most Mums would fight until the very end to make sure they had access to their children, regardless of any issues.

You want to make sure is weight is under control & that he is cared for properly, however are not willing to try and get him back so you can make sure he is cared for well.

He is also 9 years old and shouldn’t have been allowed to decide where he wanted to live. I think you also said he has been with his Dad for quite some time now, so that means he made the decision to be with Dad at a much younger age. That shouldn’t have been his decision.

Also, I’m not saying you’re not a good Mum, however telling him that you were a good Mum when he is older won’t wash. He will know you did nothing to get him back. He will likely be messed up by this & when he has his own children, he will be distraught at the fact you didn’t even try. I know someone who has been in a similar situation & they have gone on to take drugs, become an alcoholic etc because they can’t cope with the fact their Mum wasn’t bothered about them growing up. It has a massive effect on kids.

While you think you are doing the best thing for him by staying with his Dad, you are not. He’s not old enough to make these decision. You are responsible for him and need to step up, but it just seems like you’re bothered about his weight.

In the eyes of the law, his father was legally allowed to keep him and not return him to me. That wasn’t me allowing him to decide where he lives, thats me having no other choice. Police refused to return the child as dad legally has PR also and is within hug rights to keep him. Yes I am bothered about his weight when it’s putting his physical health at risk - 10 stone at 9 year old isn’t alarming to you? I am a SAHM and can’t afford court fees or solicitors. What exactly do you suggest then?

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BillieWiper · 19/02/2026 13:07

Why is the Nan seemingly being treated as the parent by school etc. Surely you have a responsibility to your own child so I don't know why they aren't sharing information with you.?

It sounds like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Try and fight in court to get him back, and try and undo all the bad habits he acquired. Obviously this might be against his volition or choice. And could impact your other child.

Or you have to sit back and accept that his life will be limited by his dad's parenting. SS sadly don't want to force anything.

But I'd hope you'd be able to make him see that you have his best interests at heart. He's too young really to be allowed to choose this unhealthy way of life. You have to try and help him as nobody else seemingly will.

TheLemonLemur · 19/02/2026 13:07

I am sorry op this all sounds incredibly difficult. However and I mean this kindly while you are doing lots to highlight concerns to school, ss about his care you don't seem keen to go to court. Him being in your household would not be easy and it seems you don't want to deal with that reality. The longer you let this go on the harder it will be to get him back into school and access support with his health, behaviour. Unfortunately your ex and his family not parenting how you would is not enough for ss involvement and so you either let things go on getting worse or go to court and intervene.

MomoisGogo · 19/02/2026 13:09

Get legal advice and go to court and stop being so passive about this. You are your son's mother. He is a child, stop making this sound like this is all his choice.

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 13:09

BillieWiper · 19/02/2026 13:07

Why is the Nan seemingly being treated as the parent by school etc. Surely you have a responsibility to your own child so I don't know why they aren't sharing information with you.?

It sounds like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Try and fight in court to get him back, and try and undo all the bad habits he acquired. Obviously this might be against his volition or choice. And could impact your other child.

Or you have to sit back and accept that his life will be limited by his dad's parenting. SS sadly don't want to force anything.

But I'd hope you'd be able to make him see that you have his best interests at heart. He's too young really to be allowed to choose this unhealthy way of life. You have to try and help him as nobody else seemingly will.

Your first sentence was one of my points. DAD doesn’t act like dad. He refuses to speak to schools, social services or agencies. He hands it all over to mum to deal with. He doesn’t bother with the child, he hands him over to mum to look after. I told the school I have the legal right to obtain his education records, they told me they can’t speak to me and hung up the phone. I challenged the headteacher at the last school about this and she said gran was a carer (she’s not) and was entitled to this information and to take control. I have been denied information time and time again, what hope exactly does this give me that I have a chance in court?

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nixon1976 · 19/02/2026 13:11

'In the eyes of the law, his father was legally allowed to keep him and not return him to me. That wasn’t me allowing him to decide where he lives, thats me having no other choice. Police refused to return the child as dad legally has PR also and is within hug rights to keep him.'

I am not an expert but I don't think this is true? If you had a legal arrangement in place, you go immediately to court to make sure your ex sticks by this. If you had a more casual arrangement in place, you go to court immediately to get a legal arrangement in place to make sure you still have your son 50/50. He doesn't get to just keep his son who was, what, 7 or 8 when this happened? Or have I missed something?

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 19/02/2026 13:12

Go to court, get custody of him. You are being to passive. Hes nine not nineteen. Sorry if this is blunt, but this is really your only choice otherwise your child will end up self destructing.

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 13:12

nixon1976 · 19/02/2026 13:11

'In the eyes of the law, his father was legally allowed to keep him and not return him to me. That wasn’t me allowing him to decide where he lives, thats me having no other choice. Police refused to return the child as dad legally has PR also and is within hug rights to keep him.'

I am not an expert but I don't think this is true? If you had a legal arrangement in place, you go immediately to court to make sure your ex sticks by this. If you had a more casual arrangement in place, you go to court immediately to get a legal arrangement in place to make sure you still have your son 50/50. He doesn't get to just keep his son who was, what, 7 or 8 when this happened? Or have I missed something?

there isn’t an existing court order in place. Dad has PR and is within every right to withhold the child. I contacted police when he first took him, they told me they cannot get involved as dad has PR and is legally allowed to keep him.

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RudolphTheReindeer · 19/02/2026 13:12

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 12:44

My son has lived there for a year. He didn’t run away to dad’s house - he was collected from school by grandma and kept from there. What exactly do I need to take responsibility for sorry? They clearly aren’t caring for him properly and are allowing him to become obese and without an education in their care - but I’m the one to blame?

You said in your op that you can't keep him at yours as he runs back to his dad's house.

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 13:13

RudolphTheReindeer · 19/02/2026 13:12

You said in your op that you can't keep him at yours as he runs back to his dad's house.

He would attempt to do so, yes. What am I supposed to do about that?

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nixon1976 · 19/02/2026 13:13

'there isn’t an existing court order in place. Dad has PR and is within every right to withhold the child. I contacted police when he first took him, they told me they cannot get involved as dad has PR and is legally allowed to keep him.'

Honestly, I don't think this is right. You have equal PR. So you go to court (which you could have done when he ran away) and get him back immediately.

QuaintLilacBee · 19/02/2026 13:14

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 19/02/2026 13:12

Go to court, get custody of him. You are being to passive. Hes nine not nineteen. Sorry if this is blunt, but this is really your only choice otherwise your child will end up self destructing.

And what exactly are my chances of obtaining custody of him? I have to take grandma who has no legal right of him in the first place to court for my own son back? Absolutely utterly ridicolus

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