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Mortified, sensitive issue. Not sure what to do!

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louisaeight · 08/11/2025 11:58

So my son only started school in September and a little boy who he went to the childminders with between 18 months and 2 years is in his class. This was great news when we found out as the boys were super close and have seen each other a handful of times since the childminder days for birthday parties and a few play dates. Also in their class is this boys other friend from his more recent childminder, which has been a bit confusing for my son as his friend wants to play with this friend more.

It seems that jealousy may have got the better of him and our son has been telling this boy that he ‘has to sit with him at lunch’ (this isn’t confirmed but is what the other mum is saying) My son tends to be more passive and sensitive, even though he’s a big personality and isn’t shy about sharing his views but it’s still possible that he did this.

Anyway, the boys parents (one from original childminders) have increasingly been very strange with us at pick up and drop off and we started to sense something was wrong when our son was saying that this boys mum has said to her son that they can’t be friends with each other anymore. Naturally this has been causing a lot of confusion and upset with my son. My son is also very upfront and has outright called his friends mum out on this which she has awkwardly denied twice whilst looking at the floor and not making eye contact with us.

It happened again yesterday, so I decided to drop her a message in the evening and see what’s going on as enough was enough.

This is where it gets very tricky. She replied to my message and told me that her son apparently told a teacher at school that his ‘mum kicked him and sent him to bed with no dinner’. Due to the level of this allegation social services were involved. When his parents quizzed him about why he had said this as it seems to be not true, he said on numerous occasions that our son had got him to tell this teacher.

Now this stunned me and is very out of character for our son, however, we’ve started to have a few conversations with him to gently try and find the truth, among wider more general conversations about the matter. He’s said he knows the teacher that his friend had told and was very focused on how upset he is that he doesn’t want to sit with him at lunch and be his friend. We also asked if like his friends mum (among taking about other kids mums) and he said no. I’m starting to see that maybe he could have been involved in this after all to some degree but we are gently bringing it up rather than forcing it so may take some time.

We had parents evening a few weeks ago and I mentioned that my son was getting upset about not being able to play with him and about the mum saying via her son she didn’t want them to play to together, did the teacher know anything about this? She said no. But by the sounds of this mums text reply, is that they have spilt them up in class. I’ll next to investigate this side of things as I feel that the school should have told me.

Now I don’t know what way everything happened or the real truth at this stage, but I feel like my child is being punished indirectly from that mum about something he supposedly did but there is no evidence for, what’s worse is the school haven’t involved us in this at all, we have no idea when this happened and the mum is no longer engaging with us. Even though it’s been 15 hours so she could still reply, hopefully.

when my husband and i replied to her text, we did this is an 8 min voicenote saying that we are absolutely mortified to hear this and that we’d wish she’s reached out before. We asked her a few questions to try and get the full picture of the story to get to the bottom of it all, but also said we’d like to speak to our son but we also don’t want to make it worse as they are in such close proximity to each other, but she hasn’t replied.

Im thinking I just contact the school directly but also our children are 4 years old and there is obviously complexities with friendships here. I’m aware that lying is a normal development thing for 4 - 6 year olds and it’s very important to us that our son understands that lying is not ok. But we also don’t want to blame him for something that he may not have done it, so need him to admit it first.

Arrgh! Help! I’m so cross with the while situation and I feel completely powerless!

OP posts:
Iloveburgerswaymorethanishould · 10/11/2025 21:49

If my mum got involved every time someone wouldn’t sit with me, she’d have been in school a lot. Cos we were children and very fickle. If I went to school each time one of my 5 was told they couldn’t play by another child.. I’d still be there now and my eldest is 27!! They’ve been in school for about 9 weeks and this level of involvement is huge!!!
At the school I work at kids are sat together at lunch in order of service. They fill up each row of tables directly on their way out the service are (baffle… yep it’s called a baffle). Stops fall outs and dramas etc. I’d be suggesting this to school!
Also, think the 8 min voice note has been deleted before being opened because, well it was 8 minutes!!!!

arcticpandas · 10/11/2025 21:58

8 minutes!!! Are you guys out of your mind!!?? That's harassment. Leave that poor family alone. And tell your son to leave their kid alone and make other friends.

ttcat37 · 10/11/2025 21:58

I would stay out of it. You’ve said it yourself, children say stuff that isn’t true at that age, and it sounds that your son is taking the heat. But it’s equally as likely that the friend told your son that his mum kicked him and sent him to bed with no dinner, and in that case, your son has been a good friend and done exactly the right thing by convincing him to tell a teacher.

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Rachie1973 · 10/11/2025 21:59

Omg. They’re 4. All you need to do is remind your son that friends are not toys and everyone can play with everyone, and that he can’t be rude to other adults by calling them out.

Then let them deal with the politics of the playground assisted by their teachers and TAs. It’s how they learn to navigate the world.

Goldbar31 · 10/11/2025 21:59

This is unhinged.

Hippobot · 10/11/2025 22:00

Terrytheweasel · 10/11/2025 20:13

Everyone’s making a massive assumption that the child made this up. He could well have been telling the truth and your son did the right thing.
The fact the parent said they can’t play together now because of this is a huge red flag!

How is it a red flag? Who on earth would want their child to be friends with a kid who, at 4 years old, thinks they can go around "calling out" adults. Nevermind the fact that the kid is controlling in the "friendship" and that his mother leaves 8 minute Spanish Inquisition voicemails over the 4 year old's choice not to play with a child that has no boundaries.

TheaBrandt1 · 10/11/2025 22:00

God I hope op never has to parent a teenage girl through those friendships! There would be fireworks!

GeorgeandAsh · 10/11/2025 22:06

Jesus! Leave her alone and get DS to do the same. I'd seriously consider moving schools because if there's any truth DS was involved, no parent is going to want their DS anywhere near them once this gets out, and it will. If it is true I'd be considering counselling for your DS too

EmeraldShamrock000 · 10/11/2025 22:12

Keep them away from each other.
Also recognise if your DS is obsessive and controlling, if he is, try play therapy.
My DS was, he had a lot of input from cbt and play sessions with professionals.

Dissappearedupmyownarse · 10/11/2025 22:13

louisaeight · 08/11/2025 11:58

So my son only started school in September and a little boy who he went to the childminders with between 18 months and 2 years is in his class. This was great news when we found out as the boys were super close and have seen each other a handful of times since the childminder days for birthday parties and a few play dates. Also in their class is this boys other friend from his more recent childminder, which has been a bit confusing for my son as his friend wants to play with this friend more.

It seems that jealousy may have got the better of him and our son has been telling this boy that he ‘has to sit with him at lunch’ (this isn’t confirmed but is what the other mum is saying) My son tends to be more passive and sensitive, even though he’s a big personality and isn’t shy about sharing his views but it’s still possible that he did this.

Anyway, the boys parents (one from original childminders) have increasingly been very strange with us at pick up and drop off and we started to sense something was wrong when our son was saying that this boys mum has said to her son that they can’t be friends with each other anymore. Naturally this has been causing a lot of confusion and upset with my son. My son is also very upfront and has outright called his friends mum out on this which she has awkwardly denied twice whilst looking at the floor and not making eye contact with us.

It happened again yesterday, so I decided to drop her a message in the evening and see what’s going on as enough was enough.

This is where it gets very tricky. She replied to my message and told me that her son apparently told a teacher at school that his ‘mum kicked him and sent him to bed with no dinner’. Due to the level of this allegation social services were involved. When his parents quizzed him about why he had said this as it seems to be not true, he said on numerous occasions that our son had got him to tell this teacher.

Now this stunned me and is very out of character for our son, however, we’ve started to have a few conversations with him to gently try and find the truth, among wider more general conversations about the matter. He’s said he knows the teacher that his friend had told and was very focused on how upset he is that he doesn’t want to sit with him at lunch and be his friend. We also asked if like his friends mum (among taking about other kids mums) and he said no. I’m starting to see that maybe he could have been involved in this after all to some degree but we are gently bringing it up rather than forcing it so may take some time.

We had parents evening a few weeks ago and I mentioned that my son was getting upset about not being able to play with him and about the mum saying via her son she didn’t want them to play to together, did the teacher know anything about this? She said no. But by the sounds of this mums text reply, is that they have spilt them up in class. I’ll next to investigate this side of things as I feel that the school should have told me.

Now I don’t know what way everything happened or the real truth at this stage, but I feel like my child is being punished indirectly from that mum about something he supposedly did but there is no evidence for, what’s worse is the school haven’t involved us in this at all, we have no idea when this happened and the mum is no longer engaging with us. Even though it’s been 15 hours so she could still reply, hopefully.

when my husband and i replied to her text, we did this is an 8 min voicenote saying that we are absolutely mortified to hear this and that we’d wish she’s reached out before. We asked her a few questions to try and get the full picture of the story to get to the bottom of it all, but also said we’d like to speak to our son but we also don’t want to make it worse as they are in such close proximity to each other, but she hasn’t replied.

Im thinking I just contact the school directly but also our children are 4 years old and there is obviously complexities with friendships here. I’m aware that lying is a normal development thing for 4 - 6 year olds and it’s very important to us that our son understands that lying is not ok. But we also don’t want to blame him for something that he may not have done it, so need him to admit it first.

Arrgh! Help! I’m so cross with the while situation and I feel completely powerless!

They're 4 years old not 14!!!
I really don't think this requires a full on crime scene investigation and really, how truthful do you honestly think a 4yr is going to be let alone be able to fully recollect a historical event with the accuracy that you are demanding?!
You do understand the development level of a year olds brain don't you....?

brunettemic · 10/11/2025 22:13

This all utterly batshit. I first started wondering what was going on when a child remembered his best friend from when he was 18 months old. Then when he confronted adults, despite being passive, it got weirder. After that the OP decided the school had to run seating arrangements past her, which made me laugh. Then we got to the 8 minute voice note, which is one of the wildest things I’ve ever read on MN.

Bellsbeachwaves · 10/11/2025 22:14

Your son sounds like he was angry that they couldn't sit together, very jealous, and he retaliated by telling this kid to tell the teacher something untrue. I mean... That's mean lol... But he's 4, and 4 year olds can do stupid stuff as someone else said. Tell him not to do it again and that we all have to chill and find someone else to sit with if someone else wants to sit somewhere else. The end. And move on.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 10/11/2025 22:16

BTW nip allowing your DS question an adult in the bud.
He is cheeky and rude, wonder where he gets it from. Hmm.

InterestedDad37 · 10/11/2025 22:17

Kids will sort their own friendships out, just let them get on with it

Bellsbeachwaves · 10/11/2025 22:18

Also he's sensitive passive upfront and also calls adults out you say. He's 4. #confusedface

gamerchick · 10/11/2025 22:21

YourWildAmberSloth · 08/11/2025 13:00

You have no issue with your 4 year old 'calling out his friends mum'?

That's what jumped out at me and seemingly the OP allowed it.

Nothing will top the 8 minute voice note though. I wouldn't have listened to it.

OP you're coming across as really intense. Back off or people will start to swerve you and maybe install some manners in your child.

PrincessOfPreschool · 10/11/2025 22:34

Far too many people are getting caught up on the OP's response, the DS's rudeness etc. But at the heart of this is a child who is potentially being abused. I think that's being totally missed.

I am really not sure OP's son coerced the friend into making the accusation. Unless OP's child has older siblings, or has been watching something he shouldn't, it's a very very strange thing to make up. I could possibly get the kicking being made up, but not combined with no dinner. And was this as a result of being told they need to bring difficult issues to teachers? It just seems a very surprisingly maturely thought out operation for a 4yo. I work with this age and I just don't see any of them thinking of that. I hope it was referred to SS and not blamed on OP's son as an obvious scapegoat.

Yes, he sounds like a confident child to ask her whether she told her son not to play with him! Good on him!

Yeswoman · 10/11/2025 22:35

This is mad.
surely the takeaway here is... I wish I hadn't got so deep?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 10/11/2025 22:39

PrincessOfPreschool · 10/11/2025 22:34

Far too many people are getting caught up on the OP's response, the DS's rudeness etc. But at the heart of this is a child who is potentially being abused. I think that's being totally missed.

I am really not sure OP's son coerced the friend into making the accusation. Unless OP's child has older siblings, or has been watching something he shouldn't, it's a very very strange thing to make up. I could possibly get the kicking being made up, but not combined with no dinner. And was this as a result of being told they need to bring difficult issues to teachers? It just seems a very surprisingly maturely thought out operation for a 4yo. I work with this age and I just don't see any of them thinking of that. I hope it was referred to SS and not blamed on OP's son as an obvious scapegoat.

Yes, he sounds like a confident child to ask her whether she told her son not to play with him! Good on him!

Social services have been assigned, I'm sure they'll know more about the situation.
I highly doubt that the child is being abused other than being bullied by OP's DS.
Reading between the lines.

Aluna · 10/11/2025 22:44

A 4 year old called an adult out, really?

Alpacajigsaw · 10/11/2025 22:45

She hasn’t replied because if she has any sense she’ll have deleted an 8 minute voice note without listening to it!

This is batshit OP, they’re 4! The school years are going to be very long if you are courting this drama this early on

jenny38 · 10/11/2025 22:51

Kindly, stop contacting the parents. Both children will make more friends, and this is all part of learning to navigate friendships. There will be more bumps in the road and best you learn that it’s best dealt with via school, if you have a long lasting concern about something.

Catterbat · 10/11/2025 22:52

SlimShandy · 08/11/2025 12:08

Sorry - you and your husband sent this other parent an EIGHT MINUTE voicenote?

I wouldn't reply to that either.

OP are you Alan Bennett?

Wildefish · 10/11/2025 22:55

louisaeight · 08/11/2025 11:58

So my son only started school in September and a little boy who he went to the childminders with between 18 months and 2 years is in his class. This was great news when we found out as the boys were super close and have seen each other a handful of times since the childminder days for birthday parties and a few play dates. Also in their class is this boys other friend from his more recent childminder, which has been a bit confusing for my son as his friend wants to play with this friend more.

It seems that jealousy may have got the better of him and our son has been telling this boy that he ‘has to sit with him at lunch’ (this isn’t confirmed but is what the other mum is saying) My son tends to be more passive and sensitive, even though he’s a big personality and isn’t shy about sharing his views but it’s still possible that he did this.

Anyway, the boys parents (one from original childminders) have increasingly been very strange with us at pick up and drop off and we started to sense something was wrong when our son was saying that this boys mum has said to her son that they can’t be friends with each other anymore. Naturally this has been causing a lot of confusion and upset with my son. My son is also very upfront and has outright called his friends mum out on this which she has awkwardly denied twice whilst looking at the floor and not making eye contact with us.

It happened again yesterday, so I decided to drop her a message in the evening and see what’s going on as enough was enough.

This is where it gets very tricky. She replied to my message and told me that her son apparently told a teacher at school that his ‘mum kicked him and sent him to bed with no dinner’. Due to the level of this allegation social services were involved. When his parents quizzed him about why he had said this as it seems to be not true, he said on numerous occasions that our son had got him to tell this teacher.

Now this stunned me and is very out of character for our son, however, we’ve started to have a few conversations with him to gently try and find the truth, among wider more general conversations about the matter. He’s said he knows the teacher that his friend had told and was very focused on how upset he is that he doesn’t want to sit with him at lunch and be his friend. We also asked if like his friends mum (among taking about other kids mums) and he said no. I’m starting to see that maybe he could have been involved in this after all to some degree but we are gently bringing it up rather than forcing it so may take some time.

We had parents evening a few weeks ago and I mentioned that my son was getting upset about not being able to play with him and about the mum saying via her son she didn’t want them to play to together, did the teacher know anything about this? She said no. But by the sounds of this mums text reply, is that they have spilt them up in class. I’ll next to investigate this side of things as I feel that the school should have told me.

Now I don’t know what way everything happened or the real truth at this stage, but I feel like my child is being punished indirectly from that mum about something he supposedly did but there is no evidence for, what’s worse is the school haven’t involved us in this at all, we have no idea when this happened and the mum is no longer engaging with us. Even though it’s been 15 hours so she could still reply, hopefully.

when my husband and i replied to her text, we did this is an 8 min voicenote saying that we are absolutely mortified to hear this and that we’d wish she’s reached out before. We asked her a few questions to try and get the full picture of the story to get to the bottom of it all, but also said we’d like to speak to our son but we also don’t want to make it worse as they are in such close proximity to each other, but she hasn’t replied.

Im thinking I just contact the school directly but also our children are 4 years old and there is obviously complexities with friendships here. I’m aware that lying is a normal development thing for 4 - 6 year olds and it’s very important to us that our son understands that lying is not ok. But we also don’t want to blame him for something that he may not have done it, so need him to admit it first.

Arrgh! Help! I’m so cross with the while situation and I feel completely powerless!

It was a tad confusing. You asked for help so ignore everyone who just put the boot in without any actual help. He’s 4 years old and maybe out of jealously he got his friend to say something to the teacher, of perhaps his friend threw him under the bus so as he didn’t get the blame. Unfortunately with this age you may never get the full truth. However the friend seems to prefer the other boy so moving forward I would try to help him make new friends. Invite other children for play dates. I would keep an eye on how he engages with other children and help him negotiate this. Not all children find making friends easy. And remember he is only 4.

TesChique · 10/11/2025 23:21

A four year old should not be "calling out" behaviour "outright" from a GROWN. ADULT.

You need to instill some respect into your child

You all sound like nightmares

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