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Mortified, sensitive issue. Not sure what to do!

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louisaeight · 08/11/2025 11:58

So my son only started school in September and a little boy who he went to the childminders with between 18 months and 2 years is in his class. This was great news when we found out as the boys were super close and have seen each other a handful of times since the childminder days for birthday parties and a few play dates. Also in their class is this boys other friend from his more recent childminder, which has been a bit confusing for my son as his friend wants to play with this friend more.

It seems that jealousy may have got the better of him and our son has been telling this boy that he ‘has to sit with him at lunch’ (this isn’t confirmed but is what the other mum is saying) My son tends to be more passive and sensitive, even though he’s a big personality and isn’t shy about sharing his views but it’s still possible that he did this.

Anyway, the boys parents (one from original childminders) have increasingly been very strange with us at pick up and drop off and we started to sense something was wrong when our son was saying that this boys mum has said to her son that they can’t be friends with each other anymore. Naturally this has been causing a lot of confusion and upset with my son. My son is also very upfront and has outright called his friends mum out on this which she has awkwardly denied twice whilst looking at the floor and not making eye contact with us.

It happened again yesterday, so I decided to drop her a message in the evening and see what’s going on as enough was enough.

This is where it gets very tricky. She replied to my message and told me that her son apparently told a teacher at school that his ‘mum kicked him and sent him to bed with no dinner’. Due to the level of this allegation social services were involved. When his parents quizzed him about why he had said this as it seems to be not true, he said on numerous occasions that our son had got him to tell this teacher.

Now this stunned me and is very out of character for our son, however, we’ve started to have a few conversations with him to gently try and find the truth, among wider more general conversations about the matter. He’s said he knows the teacher that his friend had told and was very focused on how upset he is that he doesn’t want to sit with him at lunch and be his friend. We also asked if like his friends mum (among taking about other kids mums) and he said no. I’m starting to see that maybe he could have been involved in this after all to some degree but we are gently bringing it up rather than forcing it so may take some time.

We had parents evening a few weeks ago and I mentioned that my son was getting upset about not being able to play with him and about the mum saying via her son she didn’t want them to play to together, did the teacher know anything about this? She said no. But by the sounds of this mums text reply, is that they have spilt them up in class. I’ll next to investigate this side of things as I feel that the school should have told me.

Now I don’t know what way everything happened or the real truth at this stage, but I feel like my child is being punished indirectly from that mum about something he supposedly did but there is no evidence for, what’s worse is the school haven’t involved us in this at all, we have no idea when this happened and the mum is no longer engaging with us. Even though it’s been 15 hours so she could still reply, hopefully.

when my husband and i replied to her text, we did this is an 8 min voicenote saying that we are absolutely mortified to hear this and that we’d wish she’s reached out before. We asked her a few questions to try and get the full picture of the story to get to the bottom of it all, but also said we’d like to speak to our son but we also don’t want to make it worse as they are in such close proximity to each other, but she hasn’t replied.

Im thinking I just contact the school directly but also our children are 4 years old and there is obviously complexities with friendships here. I’m aware that lying is a normal development thing for 4 - 6 year olds and it’s very important to us that our son understands that lying is not ok. But we also don’t want to blame him for something that he may not have done it, so need him to admit it first.

Arrgh! Help! I’m so cross with the while situation and I feel completely powerless!

OP posts:
IAmKerplunk · 10/11/2025 20:37

TeenLifeMum · 10/11/2025 20:35

Not helpful in any way but if ever I feel sad dc are growing up and start missing primary school days, I’ll just think of this thread and the 8 minute voice note from op and her husband. Do you think they had scripted parts so they stayed on message?

Do you think when the 8 minute message finished they both looked at each other and said ‘glad we did that, it was the right thing to do’ 😂

TeenLifeMum · 10/11/2025 20:44

IAmKerplunk · 10/11/2025 20:37

Do you think when the 8 minute message finished they both looked at each other and said ‘glad we did that, it was the right thing to do’ 😂

I miss the laughing emoji. Some parents are batshit. I had one barge into my house with her daughter to demand an apology from mine because she’d criticised her poor baby… for using the n word. I’m still baffled at the thought process that made her think 🤔 ah yes, I will defend my racist daughter and this is the approach that’ll get the desired outcome.

bridezillaincoming · 10/11/2025 20:52

Leave that poor family alone ffs! Unhinged clearly!

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Jeska7 · 10/11/2025 20:54

MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 08/11/2025 12:36

The school wouldn't inform you of another parents wishes about their child.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with you.

The fact you let your son 'call out' another parent speaks volumes about your parenting as well.

She is absolutely entitled to not have a child she considers a trouble maker anywhere near her son.

Your family clearly has issues with boundries between your 4yo 'calling out' an adult, 8 minute voice notes, and the level of involvement you have because a mum doesn't want her child playing with yours. Take a massive step back and encourage him to play (nicely) with other kids and leave this family alone. Sounds like they have been through hell.

This
I cannot believe a four year old is calling out their friend’s mum. Wow.
I agree. I’d be staying well away and asking my child not to become involved.
Far too intense.
Let school deal with it.
Encourage your son to make new friends. He cannot force a friendship. Surely you know it doesn’t work like that.

IAmKerplunk · 10/11/2025 20:57

TeenLifeMum · 10/11/2025 20:44

I miss the laughing emoji. Some parents are batshit. I had one barge into my house with her daughter to demand an apology from mine because she’d criticised her poor baby… for using the n word. I’m still baffled at the thought process that made her think 🤔 ah yes, I will defend my racist daughter and this is the approach that’ll get the desired outcome.

Bloody hell! People are indeed batshit crazy and rather worryingly make me look sane 🤣

Youhidaway · 10/11/2025 21:01

Agree with all the replies. You need to stop getting so involved, you will just make matters worse. 4 year old friendships are so flakey, and this type of behaviour will continue for many years. You need to get used to it and gently pick your battles/what and more importantly, if, you involve yourself in. Also, never message the parents directly.

Mapletree1985 · 10/11/2025 21:13

Telling someone you wish they'd reached out to you before is a very passive-aggressive way of saying you're putting the blame on them. Clearly they didn't reach out because they didn't want you involved. Back off, and focus on helping your son to negotiate the end of this friendship - because it's over - and making sure he doesn't get himself the kind of reputation which means no one will want to be his friend.

nosleepforme · 10/11/2025 21:17

Just leave them alone. Sounds like enough damage has been done, no need to force an unwanted friendship. You’re coming across controlling

Lotsnlotsoflove · 10/11/2025 21:18

These are 4 year olds. The level of drama you are creating over this is absolutely demented.

Tell your son ‘that’s sad that Jack doesn’t want to play anymore - who else do you like in the new class?’ And move on from this. You need to find a way to chill out because this is going to be the least of your son’s problems in the years to come.

Hippobot · 10/11/2025 21:21

Wow! I really think you need to stop. Sending the other parent an 8 minute voice note quizzing her for details feels borderline harassing. You're making this situation way worse for yourselves and your son. The kids are only 4! Sounds like your son has persuaded the other kid to tell lies because he is jealous and wants to control the friendship situation. My advice is to tell your son not to try to play with the other boy anymore because his lies have caused a lot of trouble and therefore they are no longer friends. Then leave the other kid and his parents well alone!

TryingAgainAgainAgain · 10/11/2025 21:22

we’ve started to have a few conversations with him to gently try and find the truth, among wider more general conversations about the matter. He’s said he knows the teacher that his friend had told and was very focused on how upset he is that he doesn’t want to sit with him at lunch and be his friend. We also asked if like his friends mum (among taking about other kids mums) and he said no. I’m starting to see that maybe he could have been involved in this after all to some degree but we are gently bringing it up rather than forcing it so may take some time.

"May take some time"? I imagine that this is a massive understatement. Subjecting a four-year-old to this repeated, prolonged questioning and analysis is utterly inappropriate. As much as you think you're doing it subtly and gently, given everything else you have written it will be a very overwhelming and pressured experience for him.

Please look again at your approach to parenting, take some parenting classes. look again at setting healthy boundaries yourselves.

You are doing your son a disservice with your current approach.

Astrial · 10/11/2025 21:23

I'm on the page of it not being a big deal for children to call out adults that have upset them. They're entitled to boundaries, and being able the express their annoyance with adults too... Anything else sounds a bit "seen and not heard". How are they supposed to learn to be assertive rather than rude without practise?

That said, you all do sound a bit over the top. I also wouldn't bother to listen to a voicemail thay long.

Tiswa · 10/11/2025 21:25

Ffs bloody parent your child and get a handle on his behaviour because it sounds as if he cannot handle the friendship between the other 2

78e22387FFGH · 10/11/2025 21:27

@louisaeight coming back anytime soon?

TryingAgainAgainAgain · 10/11/2025 21:28

In order for a teacher to refer on to social services, they must have had a reasonable level of confidence that the allegation was plausible.

On the contrary, @Namechange822, if a child discloses information like that described here, a teacher would have to report to SS (via safeguarding lead) unless there was an overwhelming indication that it was not true eg a joke.

hemelene · 10/11/2025 21:28

These are 4 year olds. The level of drama you are creating over this is absolutely demented

Harsh but true.

Step back here, OP, then back again, and then another BIG step back.

Hippobot · 10/11/2025 21:30

JadeSquid · 08/11/2025 12:29

I think the fact your 4 year old son has openly confronted this parent about what theyve said to their son shows they have the gumption to convince this boy to lie to the teacher. This is very worrying and learned behaviour

Absolutely agree. I am actually astonished that the OP has allowed her 4 year old to be so rude and cheeky to an adult and hasn't immediately jumped in to nip his behaviour in the bud and apologise to the other parent for her son's rudeness. I can see why he feels entitled to demand answers from adults... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree after all. It's highly likely he has caused the whole problem for this other family by lying and trying to manipulate the other child and the teachers out of jealousy. They're only 4 so there's no need to blow it all out of proportion though. This is a chance to learn a lesson about lying and friendships.

Livpool · 10/11/2025 21:30

Anyone - including children - can decide not to be your friends. You and and you son need to leave these people alone.

And never send anyone an 8 minute voice note

sandyhappypeople · 10/11/2025 21:37

Your son is trying to force the child to sit with him at lunch because he is jealous he has made a new friend..

everything else afterwards is just you massively overstepping boundaries, your son, through no real understanding of the situation, is making the child uncomfortable so that is on YOU to explain and deal with!!

LancashireButterPie · 10/11/2025 21:40

Good Lord, so social services have had to become involved because your DS coerced his friend into making an allegation against his own mum? No wonder they are now wary of your boy.
Your DS sounds very precocious and quite controlling for 4? Where did he get the idea that parents kick children and that a child could be sent to bed without dinner? Is that something he has witnessed?
Assuming this is real, I'm actually quite flabbergasted at your boys behaviour. He is little more than a toddler and yet he is able to cause such trouble.

Scandalicious · 10/11/2025 21:40

I wouldn’t be making a thing of this at all, or involving the other family. Just give them space.

Tell your son that if this other boy wants to play or sit with another child that he has known more recently instead of him, that’s ok. It’s not personal and your son should just let them be. Don’t pursue the friendship or try to force it, let it go.

The only thing I would ask the school is to keep an eye on your son in case of any behaviour issues, or any negative behaviour towards him from others (in case the other boy actually made the whole thing up). I wouldn’t expect to hear any updates from them.

Meanwhile keep talking to your son in case he did suggest this lie, if he did it may not mean much in such a young child but warrants keeping an eye on and putting in context,

QuirkyHorse · 10/11/2025 21:42

I am mortified for you too 🤭

Encourage your son to branch out and make friends with other boys. The other boy's mother is unlikely to change her opinion of your son.

Jane143 · 10/11/2025 21:43

WTF! All this at 4 years old? The next 12 are going to be intense!

Oriunda · 10/11/2025 21:46

YABU.

When my DS was in reception, we had an issue with an outside friend of his, who'd started in the same class and didn't know anyone else, actively stopping my DS from playing with other kids. I spoke to the teacher, asked her to keep them separate, and actively encouraged and gave DS permission to play with other kids.

Hippobot · 10/11/2025 21:47

Nickyknackered · 08/11/2025 20:14

Does nobody come back to their threads these days?

I wouldn't come back to this embarrassment if I were the OP either. She's lost the plot.

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