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Mortified, sensitive issue. Not sure what to do!

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louisaeight · 08/11/2025 11:58

So my son only started school in September and a little boy who he went to the childminders with between 18 months and 2 years is in his class. This was great news when we found out as the boys were super close and have seen each other a handful of times since the childminder days for birthday parties and a few play dates. Also in their class is this boys other friend from his more recent childminder, which has been a bit confusing for my son as his friend wants to play with this friend more.

It seems that jealousy may have got the better of him and our son has been telling this boy that he ‘has to sit with him at lunch’ (this isn’t confirmed but is what the other mum is saying) My son tends to be more passive and sensitive, even though he’s a big personality and isn’t shy about sharing his views but it’s still possible that he did this.

Anyway, the boys parents (one from original childminders) have increasingly been very strange with us at pick up and drop off and we started to sense something was wrong when our son was saying that this boys mum has said to her son that they can’t be friends with each other anymore. Naturally this has been causing a lot of confusion and upset with my son. My son is also very upfront and has outright called his friends mum out on this which she has awkwardly denied twice whilst looking at the floor and not making eye contact with us.

It happened again yesterday, so I decided to drop her a message in the evening and see what’s going on as enough was enough.

This is where it gets very tricky. She replied to my message and told me that her son apparently told a teacher at school that his ‘mum kicked him and sent him to bed with no dinner’. Due to the level of this allegation social services were involved. When his parents quizzed him about why he had said this as it seems to be not true, he said on numerous occasions that our son had got him to tell this teacher.

Now this stunned me and is very out of character for our son, however, we’ve started to have a few conversations with him to gently try and find the truth, among wider more general conversations about the matter. He’s said he knows the teacher that his friend had told and was very focused on how upset he is that he doesn’t want to sit with him at lunch and be his friend. We also asked if like his friends mum (among taking about other kids mums) and he said no. I’m starting to see that maybe he could have been involved in this after all to some degree but we are gently bringing it up rather than forcing it so may take some time.

We had parents evening a few weeks ago and I mentioned that my son was getting upset about not being able to play with him and about the mum saying via her son she didn’t want them to play to together, did the teacher know anything about this? She said no. But by the sounds of this mums text reply, is that they have spilt them up in class. I’ll next to investigate this side of things as I feel that the school should have told me.

Now I don’t know what way everything happened or the real truth at this stage, but I feel like my child is being punished indirectly from that mum about something he supposedly did but there is no evidence for, what’s worse is the school haven’t involved us in this at all, we have no idea when this happened and the mum is no longer engaging with us. Even though it’s been 15 hours so she could still reply, hopefully.

when my husband and i replied to her text, we did this is an 8 min voicenote saying that we are absolutely mortified to hear this and that we’d wish she’s reached out before. We asked her a few questions to try and get the full picture of the story to get to the bottom of it all, but also said we’d like to speak to our son but we also don’t want to make it worse as they are in such close proximity to each other, but she hasn’t replied.

Im thinking I just contact the school directly but also our children are 4 years old and there is obviously complexities with friendships here. I’m aware that lying is a normal development thing for 4 - 6 year olds and it’s very important to us that our son understands that lying is not ok. But we also don’t want to blame him for something that he may not have done it, so need him to admit it first.

Arrgh! Help! I’m so cross with the while situation and I feel completely powerless!

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CountFucula · 08/11/2025 13:49

“son is also very upfront and has outright called his friends mum out on this”

OMG

mindutopia · 08/11/2025 13:52

An 8 minute voice note and your 4 year old ‘called this mum out’ in front of you?

You all sound absolutely nuts and your ds sounds rude. No way I’d tolerate my child speaking rudely to another parent.

I can see why they are distancing themselves. Rein it in or your son will struggle with friendships going forward.

DaisyChain505 · 08/11/2025 13:56

I think you are the only one who needs to speak to their child about how friends are objects that they keep, they are people who are allowed to make their own choices and play with whoever they like and I’d also be telling him off for “calling out” and adult. If a child spoke to me like that I too would probably be distancing myself and my child from them.

Its not healthy for your child to be fixated on only one other child at school. He needs to make other friends and have a variety.

With regards to the 8 minute voice note, I’d be ignoring you. What madness

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AlohaRose · 08/11/2025 13:57

I'd be giving you a wide berth as well if I was the friend's mum! Your son is obviously having difficulty in realising that he needs to share his friend's time and instead of dealing with this you are leaving 8 minute voicenotes for the parents and allowing your 4 year old to "call out" his friend's mum! Nothing you are saying here would make me want to be friends with either you or your son!

nellietheellie75 · 08/11/2025 13:58

This can't be real? If it is it must be a reverse.

russiandol · 08/11/2025 13:58

My DD has a lot of friendship dramas so I can advise on this: (1) never talk to the other parents, teachers are brilliant at supporting kids through this sort of stuff and will likely have a clearer picture of what is happening. (2) support your child neutrally, such as sympathising with their worries and encouraging other friendships away from the difficult friendship (3) buckle up, this sort of nonsense is your life for a long time and is as well to stay calm and let it wash over you a little.

Frenchfrychic · 08/11/2025 13:59

I’m sorry op, but you’ve lost me as well. What do you mean your 4 year old called out the mum, and you were just standing there, or that you think he’s being punished with no evidence, it’s not a punishment, your son isn’t entitled to be friends with this child and it’s not a surprise he thinks he is as you seem to think he is too, evidence is not needed. And why on earth an 8 min voice note.

rhe parents are doing the right thing, as are the school you need to get yourselves in order, deal with this appropriately as you’re doing your son no favours with your own behaviour .

dicentra365 · 08/11/2025 14:09

She thinks your child is a trouble maker (which to be fair he might be). She has every right to ask school to keep them apart. Your next move should be to briskly encourage your son to play with other children, whilst also keeping an eye out for any signs of manipulative behavior. Frankly an 8 minute voice note sounds ridiculously intense and I would be ghosting you too.

battenburgbaby · 08/11/2025 14:19

battenburgbaby · 08/11/2025 13:13

It is possible of course that your son is completely blameless in all of this and is just the victim of some kind of smear campaign by this other boy. But the fact you seem unwilling to be believe that your son might even have been demanding the boy sits with him at lunch - which is the kind of minor friendship drama that happens ALL THE TIME at this age - makes me very sceptical you are looking at this impartially.

And to add to this…EVEN IF your son were wholly blameless…what outcome are you looking for? Whatever is going on, it is clear that for now the friendship isn’t working out and you need to redirect him to other friendships for everyone’s benefit.

Ignore the drama about SS being called. Every teacher will have heard “But he made me do it” a million times and it is not an excuse, whatever your DS’s role in it might have been. But whether your DS is involved or just getting the blame it is clear evidence that they need some distance from each other. Just let it die down.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/11/2025 14:20

Is this for real? They are four. If the other child has a new friend encourage yours to make new friends, not pursue a child who isn’t interested.

"My son tends to be more passive and sensitive, even though he’s a big personality and isn’t shy about sharing his views”

Is this your PFB? You are way too involved in this, step back, encourage new friendships and for pity’s sake don’t leave long voice notes for the other child’s parents.

C152 · 08/11/2025 14:20

I think you're overreacting, OP. Your kindergarten age child is, understandably, upset that their friend now prefers to play with someone else. As part of this upset, they may or may not have encouraged their friend to make up a lie about the friend's mother.

I don't think I'd continue to 'gently tease' out any further information. They either lied or they didn't. Tell them that they we shouldn't lie about other people, because it has very serious consequences and then let it go. Separately, explain that friends come and go and encourage them to make new friends, so they're not reliant on just one child for company.

I don't know why you think your son is being punished? The other boy no longer wants to be friends with him and, tbh, if the accuation, which you ackowledge your son may have played some part in, resulted in social services involvement, I'm stunned at your lack of self awareness at what your son may have cost this family.

If school have separated the children into different classes, this sounds like it's for the best. I'd face the reality that your child no longer has this friend and help him to move on by teaching him how to make other friends and what to do if he is upset with a friend.

Brainstorm23 · 08/11/2025 14:37

An 8 minute voice note! I can guarantee they either didn't listen to it at all or they did and forwarded it to everyone they know with a message saying WTF!. For your sake let's hope it's the former or you'll be in the category of being "that parent" for life 😀

KaleidoscopeSmile · 08/11/2025 15:48

I'd love to know how a four year old "calls out" an adult

Yolo12345 · 08/11/2025 15:54

Just leave it and move on. One day you will look back and laugh - or hopefully cringe, when your sanity has returned!

CagneyNYPD1 · 08/11/2025 18:05

A 4 year old who “calls out” the parent of a classmate. An 8 minute voice note. If this isn’t a reverse, have you ever visited the Sistine Chapel @louisaeight?

Arlanymor · 08/11/2025 18:13

You think your child is passive? Why do you think this if he 'calls' adults out?

A kid doesn't want to play with him anymore. Teach your child that this is life.

Don't leave an eight-minute blather...

FunkyBiddyPop · 08/11/2025 18:15

OK, so I NEED to know the logistics of you AND your husband sending an 8 minute voice note? Did you deliver it a line at a time like a cheesy retro couples answer machine message?

Pollqueen · 08/11/2025 18:16

I love the idea of a 4 year old calling out his mate's mum. Brilliant

IwishIhadcheese · 08/11/2025 18:20

Your son confronted an adult and you and your husband left a long voice message?

Social services have got involved because of your son, do you not think that you and your son should stop?

Very sensible of the mum not to reply!

Stop trying to force friendships. Encourage your son to make other friends.

craigth162 · 08/11/2025 18:23

Pollqueen · 08/11/2025 18:16

I love the idea of a 4 year old calling out his mate's mum. Brilliant

Any 4 year old who 'called me out' would be asked to mind their manners and would never be welcome in my home.

PolyVagalNerve · 08/11/2025 18:35

Wow !!!
you need to back right off !!!
they are 4
interpersonal and social functioning issues will happen, throughout your child’s school life !!!

you are not and will never be in control of all the other kids and encounters - leave it be !!!

FamilyPhoto · 08/11/2025 18:43

Unhinged

FamilyPhoto · 08/11/2025 18:43

Unhinged

WhamBamThankU · 08/11/2025 18:47

You should be mortified with your own behaviour and your sons ‘calling out’ of an adult!!!

IAmKerplunk · 08/11/2025 18:50

Sorry but I think this is hilarious! He’s 4 - if someone doesn’t want to play with your ds then you tell your ds that’s ok and encourage him to find someone else to play with.

Though I can’t imagine anyone sending an 8 minute voice note (from op and dh) and then admitting to doing that on Mumsnet so……