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French shopkeeper thinks English parenting is terrible

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Turquoiseforever · 30/08/2025 20:43

Long one sorry, but I've included details to try and give an accurate picture!

Holidaying in France currently and have had a memorable incident in a shop today that has given me some food for thought, just interested in other people's thoughts on this.

Gave my oldest kids (3 & 6) €5 each to buy a souvenir of their choice at our local seaside town. Most shops turned out to be quite bougie and aimed at adults, but saw one which looked hopeful. Had an A-frame sign outside with a plastic colourful beach windmill on it, and a rack of children's clothes. Went in and quickly realised it was again full of very valuable things. At one end was a basket of handmade crocheted teddies, handmaid kids clothing, and some wooden toys. The kids took a look at the teddies, picked one up each then sat in two kids chairs holding them on their laps for a few minutes while I had a quick look round the shelves around them. We had a look at a few other things together, for full disclosure: when we entered my 3yo picked up a very delicate cup which I quickly set down and reminded her not to do. As we were leaving my 6yo very gently pointed out a necklace to me on a very flimsy stand that started to tip over, which I caught before it fell and set upright again. They looked at a few other things without incident or touching.

We didn't spend long, said merci and went on our way. About 10 mins later a lady from the shop approached us in the street and informed me my kids had broken two toys in her shop. We went back with her and found out that the rabbit teddies they had been holding had some very thin toothpick-like sticks of wood in each ear (to shape them a bit) which had been broken by my daughters twisting the ears, pretending to give them a 'hair style'. I had no idea at all they had been broken. Obviously this is my responsibility and error of judgement, and was totally correct to be brought to my attention.

However, the lady also subjected me to a rant about how French children would NEVER pick things up in a shop, they are taught "limits", whereas all summer she has had English, German etc children visiting and breaking things and being given "no limits" by their parents. Complained we had left the place a mess and her husband had to tidy behind us, because the teddies were placed back in the basket but not sat upright as previously displayed (I had set the chairs back carefully but admittedly been distracted from checking the basket).

I pushed back (calmly!) on her generalised critique of my parenting, and she said she has just lost patience after a summer full of similar experiences and essentially admitted this lecture wasn't personal. Still, it was pretty heavy handed to give in public in front of my children and other customers.

To be clear I know I made an error. We had been in a few quite breakable shops already which required heavy parenting, and I guess I saw an opportunity for a quick relief for us all. Normally I would supervise my children looking at anything handmade, so it was a lax moment, but I did think they were just wool and stuffing and wouldn't suffer at all from light playing. Also, typically I wouldn't take my children into these kind of shops. They have never broken anything in a shop before!

I just wonder how humbled I should be. Did I just catch this lady on a really bad day? Was she a bit racist? Are french children really that obedient all the time? Should I strike it off as a bad day and move on without too much thought, or do I take the criticism on board more strongly and accept I should be stricter with things like this and re-evaluate my parenting?! Do we really have much lower standards in the UK?

It's a shame, we've had a lovely holiday but now I feel like we're not that welcome here and have been judged/looked down on in general. Do we really have a terrible reputation in France?

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babyproblems · 30/08/2025 21:36

I’m afraid I kind of agree with her that French children are set stronger boundaries - they wouldn’t let their kids touch items unless you were buying them and they wouldn’t be left to their own devices in the shop whilst parent was browsing. I think it’s probably also a cultural difference that in the UK the customer is king. Not in France, and in a small town shop that is selling handmade things I can see why they’d find it really disrespectful actually. They would go as far as to say your children don’t really have a right to enter a shop not designed for them! It’s very ‘snobby’ as a culture in this respect but honestly the English and the French are poles apart when it comes to consumer and business behaviour so you’re likely at complete opposite ends of the spectrum of perspectives!!!

BengalBangle · 30/08/2025 21:37

I did think they were just wool and stuffing and wouldn't suffer at all from light playing

You were in a shop, not a bloody stay and play. What made you feel that it was okay for your children to play with toys you hadn't purchased just because you wanted a break from active parenting?
She's probably had enough of parents with a similar laissez-faire attitude.

Drivingmissrangey · 30/08/2025 21:38

I’m amazed the OP thinks it’s ok to allow her children to play with something in a shop that she has no intention of purchasing. The shopkeeper was totally right to call her out on crap parenting in these circumstances. Parents are supposed to set an example to their kids, not encourage their poor manners!

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Rainydayinlondon · 30/08/2025 21:39

ILoveWhales · 30/08/2025 20:50

She's right though. Control your children and stop letting them do what they want and pick up what they want.

She wasnt racist as British isn't a race.

English is a race though

GenieGenealogy · 30/08/2025 21:39

I said "We look with our EYES and not with our FINGERS" so often when going into shops with my children that eventually they used to say "yes mummy, eyes not fingers" before even crossing the doorstep.

Small children like to touch and pick things up. It's your job as their parent not to let them.

babyproblems · 30/08/2025 21:39

Chickenbone123 · 30/08/2025 21:25

I have a 3 year old and it’s actually a thing. You apparently shouldn’t say no because it’s damaging somehow.

For absolutely everything. Consequential or not.

Say for example someone is hitting or taking something. You cant say no, stop hitting; no, give that toy back - we do not snatch. I have seen people say ‘remember we use gentle hands’ or ‘is this a toy we can share perhaps’.

Same for non consequential stuff. Like I saw a boy talking about how old they are. They say I am 8. Mum goes ‘are you’… ‘are you 8?’, ‘is that right’. Its like ffs; just tell the kid ‘no, you are 4’

This is such a load of complete rubbish- the examples you give @Chickenbone123 , not your personal comments! I honestly think this sort of ‘modern’ approach is a load of crap that damages young people’s social development. It’s absolutely insane to not say No to children at times and of course doesn’t prepare them for any adversity or conflict in life which is absolutely setting them up for failure. I can’t stand the ‘kind hands’ rubbish. Argh makes my blood boil!

Yesidoactually · 30/08/2025 21:40

ILoveWhales · 30/08/2025 20:50

She's right though. Control your children and stop letting them do what they want and pick up what they want.

She wasnt racist as British isn't a race.

Xenophobic

diddl · 30/08/2025 21:41

We were never allowed to touch anything in a shop as children.

I remember souvenir shops having signs that said something like

"Lovely to look at, delightful to hold but if it gets broken, consider it sold".

Often we'd wait outside with one parent whilst the other did a recce!

Nineandahalf · 30/08/2025 21:42

You can't let your children play with things in a shop, unless you are going to buy them.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 30/08/2025 21:42

Rainydayinlondon · 30/08/2025 21:39

English is a race though

Since when?

Yesidoactually · 30/08/2025 21:42

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:51

Oh OK a gotcha. Not ethnicity, nationality. She is anti-English then. Can I not use the word racist for that?

Like she was rude about German families, can I not say that's racist?

Xenophobic rather than racist.

BrickBiscuit · 30/08/2025 21:43

@Turquoiseforever but I did think they were just wool and stuffing and wouldn't suffer at all from light playing

Can I come round your house and sit on your sofa? Maybe have a bounce on your bed too? It's only a little light sitting, so I imagine you won't mind.

MessageMystery · 30/08/2025 21:43

I’ve never really understood insisting kids never touch anything in a shop. When I go shopping I like to pick things up to look at them before deciding if I want to buy them. If a child picks something up, has a look and puts it back where they found it in a respectful manner then I don’t see why that is a problem.

SeptaUnellasBell · 30/08/2025 21:44

Rainydayinlondon · 30/08/2025 21:39

English is a race though

No, it isn’t.

Drivingmissrangey · 30/08/2025 21:44

Rainydayinlondon · 30/08/2025 21:39

English is a race though

You need to educate yourself @Rainydayinlondon A quick google will clarify English is not a race.

Ladyluckinred · 30/08/2025 21:44

Rainydayinlondon · 30/08/2025 21:39

English is a race though

It’s a nationality, not a race.

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 30/08/2025 21:44

To quote Ness, it’s not racism, it’s xenophobia.

Pluvia · 30/08/2025 21:44

I strongly suspect 'Don't touch' was the first phrase I learned. The idea of letting children take a toy in a shop and sit and play with it with no intention of buying it is unthinkable to me. Grubby hands, bits being torn off, an ear being chewed gently by an unthinking toddler... Pity the poor child who ends up with the toy.

OP, do your children a huge favour and teach them some manners.

CountryQueen · 30/08/2025 21:45

My kids are English and don’t play with toys in shops!

Chickenbone123 · 30/08/2025 21:47

babyproblems · 30/08/2025 21:39

This is such a load of complete rubbish- the examples you give @Chickenbone123 , not your personal comments! I honestly think this sort of ‘modern’ approach is a load of crap that damages young people’s social development. It’s absolutely insane to not say No to children at times and of course doesn’t prepare them for any adversity or conflict in life which is absolutely setting them up for failure. I can’t stand the ‘kind hands’ rubbish. Argh makes my blood boil!

Well I am glad some here have said that because I do just say no multiple times a day for correcting or instruction (tone dependent obviously - so not a negative no all the time if that makes sense); and I do feel like an outlier. It really is not a done thing anymore.

Ollybob · 30/08/2025 21:47

If you had no intention of purchasing the chairs (if they were for sale) or the teddies then why on earth did you leave your very small children using and playing with them?
Small children in shops should be with parents at all times not allowed to damage stock.
Absolutely fed up with the parents who let their kids run riot, taking stuff off shelves, abandoning most of it damaged anywhere else than where it originally came from and dumping snacks all over the floor!
Parent your children please!

Superhansrantowindsor · 30/08/2025 21:48

Children should not touch , let alone play, with a toy they are not going to buy.
It’s annoying keeping young children occupied. It’s hard work but you have to do it. I am surprised you thought your kids fiddling with the toys was ok. You need to supervise your kids better.

jhmlwos · 30/08/2025 21:48

Just for fun I’m going to answer without reading and then go back.
did you catch her on a bad day?
i have no idea

was she racist
no

Are all French children obedient all the time?
I have no idea on all but certainly the majority are in public

Do we have lower standards in the UK
yes. We have no standards

should I reevaluate my parenting

well. I think you have done that by posting here. I actually think on first post none of it sounds outrageous and you sound reasonable but an awareness of environment and a quick check before entering perhaps?

I braved abroad myself this year with kids. I did notice every supermarket and basic tourist shop had huge signs. NO PLAY. NO TOUCH.

a quick chat with the owner at the door, I’m looking for x, inflatable, gifts whatever, next thing they were scooping up the kids and playing with them.

Goofles · 30/08/2025 21:48

MessageMystery · 30/08/2025 21:43

I’ve never really understood insisting kids never touch anything in a shop. When I go shopping I like to pick things up to look at them before deciding if I want to buy them. If a child picks something up, has a look and puts it back where they found it in a respectful manner then I don’t see why that is a problem.

That’s not what they did though! They were twisting their ears so hard they snapped the wooden sticks inside them. And the parent in this situation thought that twisting their ears then putting them back for someone else to buy was ok….

SunnyDolly · 30/08/2025 21:50

There’s a bit of a cult parenting book called ‘French children don’t throw food’ about how well behaved French kids are. She could’ve been irritated and generalising after a long summer of tourists ruining her stock.
Take it as a lesson learnt - if you’re going to let young kids play with a toy in a shop, buy it.

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