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French shopkeeper thinks English parenting is terrible

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Turquoiseforever · 30/08/2025 20:43

Long one sorry, but I've included details to try and give an accurate picture!

Holidaying in France currently and have had a memorable incident in a shop today that has given me some food for thought, just interested in other people's thoughts on this.

Gave my oldest kids (3 & 6) €5 each to buy a souvenir of their choice at our local seaside town. Most shops turned out to be quite bougie and aimed at adults, but saw one which looked hopeful. Had an A-frame sign outside with a plastic colourful beach windmill on it, and a rack of children's clothes. Went in and quickly realised it was again full of very valuable things. At one end was a basket of handmade crocheted teddies, handmaid kids clothing, and some wooden toys. The kids took a look at the teddies, picked one up each then sat in two kids chairs holding them on their laps for a few minutes while I had a quick look round the shelves around them. We had a look at a few other things together, for full disclosure: when we entered my 3yo picked up a very delicate cup which I quickly set down and reminded her not to do. As we were leaving my 6yo very gently pointed out a necklace to me on a very flimsy stand that started to tip over, which I caught before it fell and set upright again. They looked at a few other things without incident or touching.

We didn't spend long, said merci and went on our way. About 10 mins later a lady from the shop approached us in the street and informed me my kids had broken two toys in her shop. We went back with her and found out that the rabbit teddies they had been holding had some very thin toothpick-like sticks of wood in each ear (to shape them a bit) which had been broken by my daughters twisting the ears, pretending to give them a 'hair style'. I had no idea at all they had been broken. Obviously this is my responsibility and error of judgement, and was totally correct to be brought to my attention.

However, the lady also subjected me to a rant about how French children would NEVER pick things up in a shop, they are taught "limits", whereas all summer she has had English, German etc children visiting and breaking things and being given "no limits" by their parents. Complained we had left the place a mess and her husband had to tidy behind us, because the teddies were placed back in the basket but not sat upright as previously displayed (I had set the chairs back carefully but admittedly been distracted from checking the basket).

I pushed back (calmly!) on her generalised critique of my parenting, and she said she has just lost patience after a summer full of similar experiences and essentially admitted this lecture wasn't personal. Still, it was pretty heavy handed to give in public in front of my children and other customers.

To be clear I know I made an error. We had been in a few quite breakable shops already which required heavy parenting, and I guess I saw an opportunity for a quick relief for us all. Normally I would supervise my children looking at anything handmade, so it was a lax moment, but I did think they were just wool and stuffing and wouldn't suffer at all from light playing. Also, typically I wouldn't take my children into these kind of shops. They have never broken anything in a shop before!

I just wonder how humbled I should be. Did I just catch this lady on a really bad day? Was she a bit racist? Are french children really that obedient all the time? Should I strike it off as a bad day and move on without too much thought, or do I take the criticism on board more strongly and accept I should be stricter with things like this and re-evaluate my parenting?! Do we really have much lower standards in the UK?

It's a shame, we've had a lovely holiday but now I feel like we're not that welcome here and have been judged/looked down on in general. Do we really have a terrible reputation in France?

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ACatNamedRobin · 30/08/2025 20:46

French children are parented much more than British ones, they get boundaries much more also. (Am speaking as neither nationality but having observed both.)

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:48

Your children behaved badly.

Not all British children behave badly. Your children probably don't behave badly all the time.

She was racist.

ButSheSaid · 30/08/2025 20:49

OP didn't mention what race she is, did she?

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MrsFrumble · 30/08/2025 20:49

Having seen the behaviour of groups of French teenagers on school trips in London, I’m sceptical of claims that they’re much better behaved and well-mannered than any other children.

ChristPleaseJustStop · 30/08/2025 20:49

What race are you, what race was the shopkeeper, and why do you think being told that your children have damaged products for sale in a shop whilst you weren't supervising them is racist?

GoAwayAutumn · 30/08/2025 20:49

Sorry, but I think she was absolutely right to be annoyed. There's no way you should have let your children sit and play with something you had no intention of buying. At 3 and 5 they should be holding your hands at all time in shops like this, not left whilst you have a look round. I hope you paid for the teddies.

GreenAndWhiteStripes · 30/08/2025 20:50

Tbh I wouldn't let my children play with toys in a shop unless we were planning to buy them.

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:50

ButSheSaid · 30/08/2025 20:49

OP didn't mention what race she is, did she?

Heavily implied in the title, right?

ILoveWhales · 30/08/2025 20:50

She's right though. Control your children and stop letting them do what they want and pick up what they want.

She wasnt racist as British isn't a race.

ReceiveIt · 30/08/2025 20:50

Why would it be racist if she criticised English children?

I've never been to France so can't comment on the behaviour of their children. She was right to point out the damage but I think I would have told her to keep the rant. Accidents happen and if things like teddies are set out but not to be touched then this should be made clear with a sign.

Screamingabdabz · 30/08/2025 20:51

I don’t know why you allowed them to sit playing with them if you weren’t going to buy them. I used to say to my children look but don’t touch. I don’t blame the shopkeeper for being annoyed - I hope you paid for the damage.

Figcherry · 30/08/2025 20:51

It's very expensive to live in France, shopkeepers really are having a tough time.

Your dc are probably the straw that broke the camels back.
However her comments about British parenting was rude.

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:51

ButSheSaid · 30/08/2025 20:49

OP didn't mention what race she is, did she?

Oh OK a gotcha. Not ethnicity, nationality. She is anti-English then. Can I not use the word racist for that?

Like she was rude about German families, can I not say that's racist?

MyAcornWood · 30/08/2025 20:51

I can see why the shopkeeper was annoyed to be honest, I wouldn’t have allowed my children to manhandle handmade items I had no intention of buying while I was browsing the shop but clearly it’s not a British kids vs French kids thing as you say the shopkeeper mentioned German children too.

Personally I think there’s good and bad parenting wherever you go. My experience of French children has not been all sunshine and roses but equally, nor has my experience of British children. On the flip side, I’ve, of course, met absolutely delightful children of all nationalities, both French and British included.

The shopkeeper was being an arse because she was annoyed with you and your children. There’s little more to it than that, I’d say.

Goofles · 30/08/2025 20:51

Sounds like you didn’t keep a close enough eye on your kids to me - getting them chairs so they can sit and play with expensive teddies they aren’t going to buy… and them proceeding to twist their ears into hairstyles isn’t really ok.

I wouldn’t say she sounds racist.. just pissed off with tourists wrecking their stock and you got the brunt of it.

ButSheSaid · 30/08/2025 20:52

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:50

Heavily implied in the title, right?

No.

Also, no, German is not a race, either.

TheNaturalBronde · 30/08/2025 20:52

I’ve seen French children behave horrendously in Spanish resorts i think this generalisation has an element of racism in the same way the stereotype of French people smelling badly is.

but I also think she is probably stressed out and so are you for different reasons.

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:52

ILoveWhales · 30/08/2025 20:50

She's right though. Control your children and stop letting them do what they want and pick up what they want.

She wasnt racist as British isn't a race.

What word can I use for "irrationally prejudiced against British people" then? Because the woman described was.

TaborlinTheGreat · 30/08/2025 20:53

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:52

What word can I use for "irrationally prejudiced against British people" then? Because the woman described was.

Anti-British? Xenophobic? Prejudiced? Definitely not racist.

LargeChestofDrawers · 30/08/2025 20:54

French people can appear ruder and more grumpy than we are used to here in the UK. And while most British people would refrain from having a rant about any other nationalities in particular, other countries don't so much. At least in my experience.

Sorry this happened.

Turquoiseforever · 30/08/2025 20:54

Ok fair, racist is totally the wrong word. I mean the equivalent for being biased against certain nationalities

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Candlesandmatches · 30/08/2025 20:54

Kindly it was a mistake to allow your DC to hold the toys. They were not buying them. So bar picking them up and looking at them very carefully they shouldn’t touch.
The rant sounds like she had just had enough and as a tourist who likely won’t return she felt she could. I live in a v touristy area and some ppls behavior just is beyond the pale. And it’s a variety of nationalities.
I don’t think you should be humbled but just try to move on.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/08/2025 20:54

ChristPleaseJustStop · 30/08/2025 20:49

What race are you, what race was the shopkeeper, and why do you think being told that your children have damaged products for sale in a shop whilst you weren't supervising them is racist?

OP did you mean xenophobic (against the English and Germans)?

MumoftwoNC · 30/08/2025 20:56

TaborlinTheGreat · 30/08/2025 20:53

Anti-British? Xenophobic? Prejudiced? Definitely not racist.

OK sure, most people use the word racist either to mean prejudiced against people of a certain ethnicity or a certain nationality. Maybe it's not pedantically correct but that's how average people use the word.

I'm mixed race but British nationality. I don't think the woman in the story cared about the ethnicity of her customers but she did seem prejudiced against where they're from. It's not OK. And for want of a commonly used word for that, I'm calling that racist

WonderingWanda · 30/08/2025 20:56

I teach in secondary schools and I would be inclined to agree with her, parents just don't say no to their kids any more.

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