Human rights health visitor

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I have seen it here before but the posts are old. Before my baby was born i told my midwife (UK) that i did not want any visits at home. I just like my privacy and want to be able to decide who enters my home. They offer visits as a service so i just decided to not let them in. I was happy to go for appointments.

Then in the hospital when the baby was born, they told me "someone was going to come into my house even if i do not want that". I kept saying no. They kept saying they just wanted to see where the baby would sleep etc. i said no. Then the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services. Social services called me and threatened with official investigation if i do not let the midwifes and later health visitor in my house. Also for the one year visit.

I texted them many times i did not want. I also told them in person. So i have a lot of proof. Ok long story short i let them in.because they threatened with social services investigation = trying to take your baby. I had to let them in, they said everything was fine, and closed the case. But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

So. It is ten months ago so the one year visit is coming and I DO NOT WANT THEM IN MY HOUSE. So i decided to go after them. And yes, it is human rights violation. It is not normal in civilised countries that someone comes to your house without your consent and without a warrant. If you do not let them in they basically threaten to take your baby.

I am not looking for the comments that they are just helping etc. I am not interested in that 😉. What i am looking for here is other moms who went after them. I am researching where to complain. I am also making a list of solicitors who would help me. And maybe some group court case? I will make complaint to NHS. I believe we only have one year for this kind of thing so only people who experienced this last year. Or if you went through going to court and have a good no win no fee lawyer (London or Kent). They are violating human rights you everyone so no, i will not let it go.

I read the post as a Mother and put myself in her shoes. She's not incorrect. You'll all targeting her for no reason other than your own narrative. For some reason you're just anti her. Haters. That's all it reads. Clearly you're very bored. This post as about human rights and health visitors and you've offered nothing just debated with a mother who has said she's is going through it and had something to offer. And the fact you feel good for it tells me you have very little knowledge in on what you're talking about.

I've spoken to her by messages because as you said she was getting it from all angles and she's postpartum period clearly going through enough. She isn't going to comment anymore but she told me 4lb 8 and 5lb 8. 34 weeks... now 4 months or 12 weeks corrected. Babies are now 50th centile and 75th centile. They didn't allow her to breastfeed she doesn't know why. She was told to express and they'd feed them. She did breastfeed and has a video proving that they both could breastfeed. She actually safeguarded her babies first and then hospital safeguarded against her. On discharge the hospital apologised and discharged her to her original MW who advocated for her. She was then discharged from the MW day 10 as babies weights were fine... the Health visitor she denied because she'd already lost 16 days with babies and families hadn't even met babies yet. Health visitor took offence. Health visitor lied. She allowed Health visitor into her home. Health visitor did weights and was happy. Health visitor cancelled the next 2 appointments. Mum went to GP for weigh and 8 week check. GP discharged. Mum brought own scales and refused Health visitor after this. Health visitor then refused written communication and mother said break in human rights breach. Health visitor kept telling social. Social worker is fine with mum weighing babies herself. Hospital actually sent mum home with a formula prescription. When asked how mum feeds baby to Health visitor she said breastfeed again mum was safeguarded because Health visitor said they should be formula fed... it is all written down. She has the notes and is taken legal action which is why she has messaged me back this and isn't going to comment again. I'm also not commenting ago just for the fact this is now malicious. You don't need to know. There is no health professional involved with any of her children and there never has been for the entirety of their lives.

Maybe you can give advice now and stop with the belittling movement that she must have done something wrong... yeah say no to anti biotics when they weren't needed in her situation and tried giving her babies breastmilk and being told no. Do you know how that feels? They weren't ill babies they never required special care. And no no incubator either. Literally nothing.

Mmm, I think you're her.

What a weird thing to post.

Absolutely! This is really unhinged behaviour.

She's peddling dangerous nonsense. She's talking in absolutes, which is foolish and narrow minded. Okay so I am paraphrasing here but she's basically stated several times in absolute terms that medicine and medical intervention is always bad and never needed and that the only thing any human needs to be healthy is good nutrition and exercise. That's just simply untrue, as all the millions of people who died of infections and incurable diseases before UPFs even existed would attest, if they could speak from the dead. They walked everywhere instead of driving and they farmed and hunted and gathered instead of sitting at a desks and prodding at keys to put food on the table. So plenty of exercise and nothing but simple, seasonal, organic food passed their lips. For all the good it did them when they died in childbirth or died from a burst ulcer or a tooth abcess where infection got into their bloodstream. Or they suffered a serious bone break and or deep laceration of some sort that never healed, and that was the end of them.

She seems to think that you can either be perfectly healthy without any medical intervention (providing you look after yourself her way) or you are dead, whether you've looked after yourself her way or not. And if her way couldn't save you from cancer or meningitis or measles or whatever, then nothing could. There is no room for any other possibility the way she tells it. It's simply not a very intelligent way to debate the pros and cons of medical intervention and 'big pharma' is it?

No-one is disputing that good nutrition and exercise are vitally important for good health. No-one is denying that breast milk and colustrum are excellent for a baby's immune system. No-one is disputing that many natural remedies may be extremely effective in warding off infections or helping avoid lifestyle cancers or whatever. But to flatly deny that modern medicine has ever done anyone any good, let alone premature babies, is just deluded and makes her sound like a cultish crank.

Perfectly put, @StupidBoy.

Well said @StupidBoy

Don't be daft, health visitors are not making referrals because they think they won't have enough families on their caseloads otherwise. Health visitors along with other health and social care professionals are carrying dangerously high caseloads as it is.

I mean .... clearly!

I know I’m late to the post but why wouldn’t you want them in your home. Just because you like your privacy. It’s odd. You created a meal out of nothing I’m not surprised they were suspicious.

Midwives and health visitors are trained in safeguarding concerns. So if they believe a child is at risk they have a duty of care. Mum is lucky they told her what they were going to do so she could change her stance. Of course refusing a home visit is going to raise suspicions. There is no valid reason why you would not want someone to visit your house unless you got something to hide. Mum here was just being difficult for no good reason.

once born the child has its own human rights.
which entails checking its home is safe