Human rights health visitor

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I have seen it here before but the posts are old. Before my baby was born i told my midwife (UK) that i did not want any visits at home. I just like my privacy and want to be able to decide who enters my home. They offer visits as a service so i just decided to not let them in. I was happy to go for appointments.

Then in the hospital when the baby was born, they told me "someone was going to come into my house even if i do not want that". I kept saying no. They kept saying they just wanted to see where the baby would sleep etc. i said no. Then the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services. Social services called me and threatened with official investigation if i do not let the midwifes and later health visitor in my house. Also for the one year visit.

I texted them many times i did not want. I also told them in person. So i have a lot of proof. Ok long story short i let them in.because they threatened with social services investigation = trying to take your baby. I had to let them in, they said everything was fine, and closed the case. But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

So. It is ten months ago so the one year visit is coming and I DO NOT WANT THEM IN MY HOUSE. So i decided to go after them. And yes, it is human rights violation. It is not normal in civilised countries that someone comes to your house without your consent and without a warrant. If you do not let them in they basically threaten to take your baby.

I am not looking for the comments that they are just helping etc. I am not interested in that 😉. What i am looking for here is other moms who went after them. I am researching where to complain. I am also making a list of solicitors who would help me. And maybe some group court case? I will make complaint to NHS. I believe we only have one year for this kind of thing so only people who experienced this last year. Or if you went through going to court and have a good no win no fee lawyer (London or Kent). They are violating human rights you everyone so no, i will not let it go.

Not really compliant if there's no plan to be compliant with. And no I'm not bonkers. We have a different opinion. Again you're reading a text and are extremely opinionate on a subject you quite literally know very little about.

Have a really good day.

Noone can be saved we all die eventually.

And statistics can be manipulated. You believe one side of the story. I believe the other.

You're welcome to your view as am I.

Have a good day.

You're a lost cause if you don't believe in the Census, statistics of living human beings, life expectancies, death rates etc. It's there in black and white. Humans live longer since the advancement of medicine.
Of course, we are welcome to our own views. But that is not a view or opinion, that is fact.
You didn't answer my question about medicine, though? As a Midwife I'm sure you've seen horrific cases of severe PET, amongst many other things, as I have seen myself, that require life saving medication?

I have reported this post.

How dare you.

Don't really care. Don't try and offend if you don't want to be offended.

You're not my problem.

Have a good day.

I didn't take health visitor service but I definitely let the midwife and 1 health visiting appointment happen as yes otherwise it looks like you are hiding something.

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Given King913‘s own sub-optimal language skills, I’d take it as a compliment.

Your post was deleted, I assume because you sounded quite racist as well as rude and insulting.

Ironically, your deleted post criticising another poster's written English skills (which were actually fine) was full of grammatical errors.

Yes, breast milk is often referred to as medicine due to its unique protective and nutritional properties that benefit both babies and mothers. It contains antibodies, white blood cells, and other factors that help prevent infections and promote healthy development.
Elaboration:
Breast milk is more than just a food source; it's a complex biological fluid packed with vital components that actively protect and support an infant's health. Here's why it's often called "medicine":
Immunity:
Breast milk is rich in antibodies (like secretory IgA), white blood cells, and other factors that help build a baby's immune system and protect them from various infections.
Nutritional Value:
Breast milk provides a perfect blend of nutrients tailored to an infant's needs, promoting healthy growth and development.
Anti-inflammatory Properties:
Breast milk contains substances that can help regulate inflammation, which is crucial for preterm infants and can also help soothe skin conditions like eczema.
Unique Components:
Breast milk contains factors that are not found in formula, such as oligosaccharides, which help prevent bacteria from attaching to mucosal surfaces.
Evidence-Based Research:
Studies have shown the effectiveness of breast milk in treating conditions like diaper rash and atopic eczema.
Complementary and Alternative Medicine:
While not a conventional medication, human milk is increasingly recognized within complementary and alternative medicine for its healing properties, especially in areas with limited access to conventional medicine.
Topical Application:
Breast milk has been used topically to treat skin conditions like diaper rash and eczema, demonstrating its effectiveness in managing these issues.
Therefore, the term "medicine" for breast milk reflects its ability to protect against and treat various conditions in infants and even offer benefits for mothers.

Nice copy & paste.

Consult your CAB they'll send you links. I'm currently going through it myself. I guess those posting targeting Women who are going through it are the problem and don't have children themselves. As Mothers we should be able to be caregivers ourselves with no hassle. If you're offended by that. You're not in the correct job. Just because a Woman refuses your care it doesn't mean she isn't a good Mum.

There are 5 statutory visits in a infants life by the HV team.

These can be accessed at drop in centres, accessing a parents home is not obligatory. However as a parent you are offered these visits as it is yours and your babies right.

Because it proves the point? Rather than waste my time trying to convince anyone of my opinion. It's factually there. So maybe you'll leave the Mother alone above that is advocating for her children and is being called bonkers for doing so. It's very clear from reading that her Health Visitor isn't advocating for her. Which as a Woman she should be. If she was discharged from hospital with no health problems with her babies. There obviously isn't one and being the hospital is higher than the Health Visitor the Health Visitor is clearly overstepping... you've also been told by multiple other Women on here that they do just that.

OP wanted advice. Are you giving any?

Yeah I'm a Midwife, I very much understand this. And am the biggest advocate of breastfeeding you'll find. But it ain't going to save your premature growth restricted baby over antibiotics.

There is something in it for here. Health Visitor is a job that requires people who need the service. Since it is a NHS service they get funding each year. If they don't get the funding they lose the service. So they'll be cuts made within their team. It has all changed in recent years and Mothers used to be able to opt out pretty much carefree nowadays it's a hassle and they report you on no basis. Everyone needs a job and I think the world has gone a bit crazy. Just because someone doesn't want a Health visitor or any health professional it doesn't mean they don't care for their children.

One visit every couple of months doesn't protect a child unfortunately. That would mean every Mum wouldn't constantly need a visit. No they usually pick the ones that have slight differences in opinion. But as above it is a human rights breach which ideally everyone should know their rights and laws in the UK.

Science uses both facts and theories. Facts are observable and verifiable pieces of information, while theories are well-substantiated explanations of natural phenomena, built upon a foundation of facts. Theories are not guesses, but rather are expected to make predictions that can be tested and potentially refuted by new observations.

So therefore it would depend on the situation/scenario. Most things are a variable however so Science is rarely fact.

Have you read her comments? Her baby isn't growth restricted. Her baby was born healthy. They were discharged with no health problems and didn't require medical care. Antibiotics don't save you if you don't need them. Please read breastmilk over and over and over again. Breastmilk is a medicine and an Antibiotic all by itself so yes it totally is saving the baby. Clearly you're not the biggest advocate on breastfeeding if you'd promote Antibiotics over breastfeeding. Antibiotics will remove all good and bad. Whereas breastmilk only gives the good. You should know this being a Midwife. My Midwife agreed with me and told me listen to myself. I did. My babies all thrived. Same as the above women. Always advocate for women especially as a MW anyone else is wrong unless of course the tests state otherwise however in this situation the Mother did know best as was unfortunaely safeguarded for it. I've seen several case like this and I've also seen several cases where the Mother is a drug addict prior to birth. Gives up for 9 months. Complies and keeps the child without social service intervention and then goes back on drugs...

I have said not one thing to the person you are referring to. Many posters are spouting quite dangerous nonsense on this thread. You providing a copy and paste with no actual data or a reliable source proves absolutely no point.
Oh and I do not believe for one second that a social worker is visiting that poster every 2 weeks for no reason. There is very very obviously something much bigger going on, maybe have a think about that.

The Op wanted advice months ago and was given it at the time, by myself and many other posters. They haven’t returned to this thread since.

@King913 Your babies aren't growth restricted now but we've no idea how old they are. What were their birth weights when they were born at 34 weeks? Were they in incubators?

And why did they not allow you to BF them? I can't imagine why on earth they wouldn't let a a new mother breast feed her babies if it was possible to do so, it's literally all midwifery services in the NHS ever bangs on and on about and they can make you feel quite shit if you don't do it. So what's the reason they wouldn't allow you to do it?

@NaturalMother19 you were nowhere to be seen on this thread, or indeed on MN at all under this name until @King913 started getting flak from all angles. Did she put out an SOS call in another forum for some back up or something? You certainly do sing from the same hymn sheet and it's a huge coincidence that you just happened to appear on this thread when you did.

I understand why there is a certain reluctance to give ABs to newborn babies who don't need them, however it's been explained upthread my a midwife I believe, why they are given as a precautionary measure in certain circumstances with prem babies. You may feel that's unnecessary but if a tired and traumatised mother who had just given birth to prem twins had been told 'You MUST breast feed your babies. Absolutely no other medicine or intervention will be necessary or forthcoming. So long as you BF them they won't need anything else' and they then became seriously ill or died because of an infection which was avoidable or curable with ABs, do you not think the parents would have something to say about it? @King913 wants to sue the NHS for treating her babies. I'm damn sure she'd also be wanting to sue the NHS if they hadn't treated them and they had come to avoidable harm as a result.

Correct my clients wouldn't come to me if they had sepsis they'd mostly likely sadly end up dead

Well they would if you had anything to do with it.

This thread has taken something of a turn…

You cant post asking for advise but ask that you only get advise agreeing with you.

This is odd, just have the visits, talking about human rights and not letting someone in your home to check you're okay and provide support would be flagging things with them I imagine and rightly so.