Human rights health visitor

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I have seen it here before but the posts are old. Before my baby was born i told my midwife (UK) that i did not want any visits at home. I just like my privacy and want to be able to decide who enters my home. They offer visits as a service so i just decided to not let them in. I was happy to go for appointments.

Then in the hospital when the baby was born, they told me "someone was going to come into my house even if i do not want that". I kept saying no. They kept saying they just wanted to see where the baby would sleep etc. i said no. Then the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services. Social services called me and threatened with official investigation if i do not let the midwifes and later health visitor in my house. Also for the one year visit.

I texted them many times i did not want. I also told them in person. So i have a lot of proof. Ok long story short i let them in.because they threatened with social services investigation = trying to take your baby. I had to let them in, they said everything was fine, and closed the case. But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

So. It is ten months ago so the one year visit is coming and I DO NOT WANT THEM IN MY HOUSE. So i decided to go after them. And yes, it is human rights violation. It is not normal in civilised countries that someone comes to your house without your consent and without a warrant. If you do not let them in they basically threaten to take your baby.

I am not looking for the comments that they are just helping etc. I am not interested in that 😉. What i am looking for here is other moms who went after them. I am researching where to complain. I am also making a list of solicitors who would help me. And maybe some group court case? I will make complaint to NHS. I believe we only have one year for this kind of thing so only people who experienced this last year. Or if you went through going to court and have a good no win no fee lawyer (London or Kent). They are violating human rights you everyone so no, i will not let it go.

Refusing to have any healthcare professional visit your home after having a baby is a cause for concern. If you came across to them anything like you do on here, I can 100% see why they would want to flag you to social services. Not necessarily because they think you are a danger to your child, but because it seems like you might be, and you're adamantly refusing a visit that would allow them to assess you further.

You sound paranoid and like you think the world is out to get you. Pre and postnatal mental health conditions could reasonably be the cause of your preoccupation with wanting to refuse entry to your home. So could living in a harmful environment that you're trying to hide.

Your human rights in this scenario don't override the states rights to protect the welfare of your child, and nor should they.

You might be perfectly fine and just really into keeping your home private. But what about the next mum who is keeping people away because she's suffering from postpartum psychosis and thinks that midwives and health visitors are coming to kill her? Or the mum subjected to domestic violence and coercive control who is being told by her partner not to allow them in? Or to the baby born to a family of drug addicts who's environment is actively dangerous for a child to be in?

Do you really think your desperation to have a cause to place yourself in the centre of is worth the potential harm to other mothers and babies if midwives and health visitors aren't allowed to do their jobs properly anymore?

Who said anything about arrest? You're the one sounding utterly ridiculous there. If someone is threatening you and harassing you and turning up to your property, then that is actionable. At least, in any normal country.

'hysterical' - yeah, must be my ovaries! 🙄 But thanks for the misogynistic slur. If someone is threatening you and harassing you and turning up to your property and demanding to be let in, that is what the police are there for! To keep the peace.

Now this, is truly 'hysterical'. She is not harming her baby by not letting some stranger enter her home.

She is going to clinics. Having the baby checked. Having the baby vaccinated. You DON'T need someone coming to your home to do that. Your post sounds quite unhinged.

Is it appropriate to raise a SS concern based on what we’re reading here? The breathtaking arrogance and criminal waste of very stretched resources used in following up this attention seeking narcissist is a big red flag for the safety of her baby.

no wonder you raise red flags you sound batshit

Anyone can make a referral to social services for anything if they have a concern about a child, but of course social services won’t necessarilly take it seriously if they think the referral is for a non-issue. You should have just ignored this threat. Social services aren’t going to remove a baby from a mother just because the mother didn’t let a health visitor through the door. The health visitor didn’t force their way into your home, you let them in, so I’m not sure why you think your human rights have been violated?

@FoxesSox may I gently suggest that this is not the thread on which to exercise your Pro Palestinian views.

Shalom

Your post is hyperbolic. Most countries manage without having some healthcare professional visit the home. It's called Baby Clinics. She is going to clinics. Having the baby checked. Weighed. Having the baby vaccinated. Your whole post is paranoid that just because she attends to her baby's health and needs in a different way, that that is wrong. It's batshit. The whole UK HV thing is batshit crazy and fascist, and clearly from most people not fit for purpose anyway, if it ever was.

A health professional responding to a legitimate concern for welfare is not “turning up to your property harassing you”.

Professionals performing safeguarding duties as part of their role are protected by qualified privilege legally so none of this is “actionable”, and they have a responsibility to ensure the welfare of the child.

My health visitor was clear with me that it was optional. I’ve always been more than happy for them to visit and get their advice and support. I remember when my girl was a little she said we aren’t here to check you have done your housework I’m here to see how you and the baby are getting on. I’d rather see a parent prioritise the baby over cleaning.

If however I didn’t want it for any reason I wouldn’t expect to be challenged on this. I assume the midwife visits when the baby is first born isn’t optional as it’s a health check on your and your baby and if this was refused would be a big red flag that the health and wellbeing of the baby wasn’t being prioritised.

OP have you nothing better to do with your time? You say you didn't bond with your child because of there very very short visits, yet here you are wanting to spend more time pursuing them. Bloody bonkers.

It is NOT a 'legitimate concern'. It is bullying and harassment. OP said she doesn't want a HV. She said no.

They refuse to take no for an answer. That is bullying and harassment. I would be more concerned about the welfare of these fascists who won't take no for answer. Not a mother exercising her right to say no to something we are told is not 'mandatory' - but clearly is, if you are threatened, coerced, intimated, harassed and bullied into saying yes.

I see you’re quick to be ‘misogynistic’ as soon as it suits you. But no, as someone working in child protection, who sees actual abuse multiple times daily, the authorities have a duty of care to follow up on any and all concerns, as clearly indicated in this case. The fact that OP is not only happy to waste these very precious resources on an arrogant crusade of her own is a massive red flag. Each time she tantrums, a child in danger goes without SS care they should have had, things are that tight. Let the HV in and it all goes away. Because she IS putting her baby in a dangerous position for no good reason at all.

Nobody is saying the woman is a vessel and the child is other people’s property, put down ‘The Handmaid’s tale’ and give your head a wobble. She is saying that OP’s right to privacy does not trump the child’s right to safety.

Interesting that you only want to hear from people that think you're right. You turned a small thing into a massive thing. If I was your HV it would be very concerning. Child protection has to come first

That's unhinged! She is not putting her baby in a dangerous position at all. She is taking her baby to an actual clinic, DESIGNED to check baby's weight and health. Which is better than a stranger coming to her home.

Are mothers in every other civilised, first world country also putting their babies at risk because they don't have UK's batshit fascist set up? Well are they?

She is well within her rights to decline the HV. What has triggered the concern is declining the postnatal care from the midwife and refusing to allow them access to the baby.

You might be in for a long wait.
You've had responses. You just don't like them.
Am sure you can argue that registering the birth is an infringement of your human rights, doesn't make it true.

Your child is completely reliant on others to stay alive and be safe and happy.

Professionals are concerned that you are the person responsible for keeping the child safe and want to check the child is safe.

That trumps your discomfort you ridiculous person.

It's the bullies and fascists at the HV that turned this into a massive thing when they would not accept she...said.....NO!

Please can you tell me how OP attending a baby clinic enables midwives to verify that the home is a safe and clean environment for a baby?

I can imagine you being an antivaxxer for some reason...

Please tell me how and why they NEED to know this? And how do they have so much time on their hands, in UK where the NHS is underfunded, to do this? What a waste of time and money.

Further, a poster above said their HV said they weren't there to check the state of the house or the housecleaning. Only to look at the baby. So that contradicts what you said.