Human rights health visitor

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I have seen it here before but the posts are old. Before my baby was born i told my midwife (UK) that i did not want any visits at home. I just like my privacy and want to be able to decide who enters my home. They offer visits as a service so i just decided to not let them in. I was happy to go for appointments.

Then in the hospital when the baby was born, they told me "someone was going to come into my house even if i do not want that". I kept saying no. They kept saying they just wanted to see where the baby would sleep etc. i said no. Then the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services. Social services called me and threatened with official investigation if i do not let the midwifes and later health visitor in my house. Also for the one year visit.

I texted them many times i did not want. I also told them in person. So i have a lot of proof. Ok long story short i let them in.because they threatened with social services investigation = trying to take your baby. I had to let them in, they said everything was fine, and closed the case. But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

So. It is ten months ago so the one year visit is coming and I DO NOT WANT THEM IN MY HOUSE. So i decided to go after them. And yes, it is human rights violation. It is not normal in civilised countries that someone comes to your house without your consent and without a warrant. If you do not let them in they basically threaten to take your baby.

I am not looking for the comments that they are just helping etc. I am not interested in that 😉. What i am looking for here is other moms who went after them. I am researching where to complain. I am also making a list of solicitors who would help me. And maybe some group court case? I will make complaint to NHS. I believe we only have one year for this kind of thing so only people who experienced this last year. Or if you went through going to court and have a good no win no fee lawyer (London or Kent). They are violating human rights you everyone so no, i will not let it go.

Your imagination is clearly off. OP said she is getting the baby vaccinated.

But it does, and that’s the point. You do have a right privacy and you do have a right to not let anybody into your home without your permission or a warrant.

Just to say I am with you, OP. I had first baby at a private hospital and would have gone back there for visits despite a long journey if I had known how thoroughly unpleasant and dictatorial the visiting midwife would be. I just said NO to health visitor and weighing visits. The last thing you need when you have a new baby is a succession of unnecessary visitors disrupting your routine.

I’m glad to hear that the authorities are putting the interests of the child first, as they should.

Your over reaction will have been the red flag not the decline in itself. Like you I was happy to visit clinics but not have people in my house for no other reason than I'm an adult, had plenty of help and didn't want to be bound to their time scales for visits and waiting around.

I see you also can’t seem to make a post without using hyperbole yourself. Can you just start to become aware that your baby IS part of a community, like it or not, and your talk of ‘fascists’, ‘misogyny’, ‘hysteria’, ‘ bat shit crazy’, ‘human rights’ and ‘violations’ immediately flag to professionals that you’re not comfortable with your place in that community. That makes your child at risk. And protecting children is of far bigger importance to society than your sense of entitlement, hyperbole and disconnect.

There are other human rights beside the right to privacy that must be balanced.
You seem fixated over this privacy point and I can’t help but wonder at your desire to persue this seemingly innocuous welfare check on your child ( who also has rights) through the courts.
Is this really a hill you want to die on?
i am a great champion of civil liberties but to my mind this seems like a gross over reaction to something mundane that obviously has the child’s welfare at the heart of it.
i am wonder if there may be some sort of transference going on here and that other things are actually the problem.

She declined a home visit from a midwife. I would too. Thankfully that is simply not the done thing in my country. Attending Baby Clinics is good for the baby, and medical visits, at the hospital or clinic, with the midwife. No need whatsoever for them to come to your home. The whole thing of them coming to your home is absolutely ridiculous!

Your behaviour and obsession with privacy will red-flag you.
I would be highly suspicious that the baby is going to be in an unsafe environment.
You really need to understand what post-natal care involves, indeed what perinatal care is about. Which basically is about keeping a defenceless child safe.

It's a choice whether you attend clinic or have in home visits here. Should be an option everywhere.

Community? Wtf are you even talking about? A family is not PUBLIC PROPERTY. Babies do best when attending a Baby Clinic. You don't need to have strangers enter your home (that doesn't have adequate weighing or medical equipment) to keep baby well. The brainwashing in the UK on this is absurd.

Their visit is to check your child’s human rights are being met ffs! It’s not about you.

you don’t understand why it’s important to check that a baby has acceptable living conditions?

Once again because you seem to be hard of understanding - this has fuck all to do with the HV.

As per the OP: the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services

The social services report was rightly made because OP declined to allow her baby to receive postnatal care. Part of the initial postnatal midwife visit includes ensuring that the baby has an appropriate environment. Sadly, it is all too common that a child does not. I’ve dealt with babies who have died from their drunk mother falling asleep on them. Babies who have been injured by dogs in the home. Babies who have been bitten by fleas and covered in dirt. It happens ALL THE TIME. That’s why we check.

You have no way of knowing that OP’s baby does or does not have appropriate care based on one thread on mumsnet. If you feel ensuring that babies are safe and cared for is facism then there is something seriously wrong with you.

Yet all other civilised and developed first world countries manage quite well without this fascist overreach. Strange that!

They have always done this as long as there's been a health.service . I can't see why it is a problem. Its.a privilege that we have this support for our children.

Fascist overreach - omg! Is this heading for classics ?

I don't expect you'll find anyone who has ever successfully "gone after" an essential safeguarding service, no.

If you don't want the HV in your house, the at least take your child to the HV clinic.

Again, other normal countries don't have this. If you believe the ONLY...WAY to 'ensure that babies are safe and cared for' is by a stranger visiting your home, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

I’m very glad for you you’ve not had to see the things I have. I can assure you if you’d had to deal with the body of a neglected infant you’d have a bit more common sense on the matter.

Christ, people love to make a song and dance over nothing. You must have too much time on your hands.

Midwives aren’t health visitors, two separate things. It’s normal to have a daily (though reduced if all is well) visit from a midwife for the first 10 days.

RTFT. She has already said she does that.

You’ve had to deal with that have you?

Is it a common occurrence?

Bloody hells bells

Ah, you’re not from the UK. I’d guess American with your obsessive, inflammatory language and assumption of individual entitlement over such a thing as child safety. Please realise that OP is also not from the UK and has presumably come here for its protections and generosity to the vulnerable. Which is what she’s then wasting the resources of. Take a look at child abuse stats in your own country, or read the articles of dead children that could have been saved if authorities had popped into the home - and come back and tell me a parent’s ’right to privacy’ is more important.