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Husband bullying 4 years old daughter

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rabper · 10/10/2024 11:17

Hi there,

Wasn't sure whether I should post in marriage/relationships or parenting but this mostly concerns my kids so I am wondering if another parent is going through a similar situation.

My husband has always been disrespectful to me. He has moments where becomes very mean and mostly he shows very narcissistic personality traits, eg belittling me and insulting me, calling me worthless, that I am nothing in front of him etc. We have been on verge of separation multiple times. He has periods of 1-2 months of peace (not a good relationship but just peace at home) followed by meltdowns, and the cycle goes on and on. We have been together 8 years and have 2 kids.

My elder one is 4.5 years old. She is a sweet and lively girl. He was OK to her until my second daughter was born. I really misread him and always thought at least he would be a good father. But he has started to BULLY my elder daughter since my second one was born. There is A LOT that happens but I will just mention things I can remember quickly on top of my head.

  • If she does something of his disliking, he stops talking to her. Eg if he asks her to pass on something to him (and kids can be forgetful). Sometimes she's playing or doing something else and if she doesn't listen or delays, he would STOP talking to her. Even when she tries to call him multiple times, for few minutes, he would be sitting there scrolling on his phone and does not answer her, making her very upset and she starts to cry. It's almost a daily occurance.
  • He bullies her by calling her cry baby all the time. I leave them for 10-15 minutes and I hear her screaming after a bit because of this.
  • Sometimes he responds to her in a very mean way. Eg if she asks what are you doing daddy and he'd respond 'can't you see what I am doing' etc
  • There are instances where he says to her 'don't try to be my mother', 'are you blind'
  • He deliberately loves my 2yo in front of elder one, while not answering her, asking her to go away, I don't wanna talk to you etc etc that makes her cry even more

I can go on and on. What really troubles me is that she is really attached to him and can't even stay away, so she ends up going to him and then running back to me crying. We have had HUGE fights on this recently. He tells me not to come between them or interrupt. But I have said to him that it's my responsibility to protect my daughter so if you bully her, I would interrupt. And by interruption I don't mean that I argue in front of kids, but sometimes I just remove her from that space/take into another room, or I console her and tell her it's ok etc etc.

He says I am spoiling her by not being strict with her and I am not disciplining her. Which is not the case. I try to communicate boundaries in a firm but gentle ways. I don't think parents need to belittle or insult children especially when they have breakdowns or cry. Instead of consoling or calming her down. He becomes very aggressive with her.

He is very resentful and negative person who keeps grudges even with a 4 year old child. Who does that?
I can write many pages on things that he says to me and what not, but I wanted to know if any other parent has gone through the same situation and what did you do? He is extremely rude and can say very hurtful things to me and her both.

I am 36 yo. I have a good job (100k per year), I have over 110k invested in a house. But I am afraid that even if I separate, and lose my job, how will I take care of the kids alone in this economic situation? My company has been laying people off recently.

TBH I just wanted to shareout and hear from other parents if they are experiencing something similar? How do I protect myself and my daughter? We have talked about it, but he becomes very rude and aggressive. I have known him for 8 years and I know he will not change as this cycle has been going on for some time.

OP posts:
BluYlloRedPurpl · 10/10/2024 15:23

@rabper You need to leave him. I've been in a similar situation and it's extremely unhealthy. At least when you put your foot down and show your children where your boundaries are, they will learn that. Hopefully. But without leaving, the cycle continues for sure. They will find husbands that treat them like shit, because that's normal to them.

jannier · 10/10/2024 15:26

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 14:23

I’m not saying “stay and suck it up”.

I’m being realistic and speaking from experience, OP needs to know how this is likely to develop so she can be forewarned.

It comes over like you think she should stay. If she gets advice she will be in the best position she can be

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 15:29

jannier · 10/10/2024 14:17

Go to women's aid, gather evidence and get a social worker .....your point means no abused women would ever leave.

You have no idea what you are saying.
Yes, go to Women’s Aid.

@rabper
please, please read
inform yourself.
Forewarned is forearmed.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-66531409

Livinghappy · 10/10/2024 15:31

I left the marriage when I could see that the toxic nature of our relationship was impacting my dc. I had previously had a good job but due to moving for Ex and supporting his career I had a low salary. However I saw no alternative but to leave.

I had to move house, start a challenging new job, settle dc into school as well as going to court with Ex. I don't know how I got through those years but I rebuilt my finances and years later my dc have thrived. In every way they are successful young people. Yes it would havd been nice if the dc were from a together family but the alternative of a toxic marriage is much more preferable.

They recognise their Dads toxicity and whilst they see them he has a lower priority in their lives. Our bond is very strong and I am so grateful I took the steps to leave.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 15:35

jannier · 10/10/2024 15:26

It comes over like you think she should stay. If she gets advice she will be in the best position she can be

I have advised her to go to Women’s Aid.
She absolutely needs to know everything she possibly can about this system at the outset. Knowledge is power.

Jessie1259 · 10/10/2024 15:35

This is a really horrible situation OP, staying leaves her open to emotional abuse every day, leaving leaves her open to abuse with no one to run to when she gets upset. How do you explain to her why you've left when you have to send her back to him every week? It's a shit situation OP.

I think at the very least you need to start getting the message into her that this isn't ok. You're telling her it's ok when she comes to you - and it really isn't. She's already completely desperate for attention from an abusive man - how do you think that is going to play out as she gets older.

I'd try 'was daddy unkind to you? That is not ok. If people are unkind to you the best thing to do is to spend time with someone else instead. Why don't you play a game with me?'

Does she see him treating you badly too? If it's comments then you need to at least be standing up to it. He puts you down and you say 'that is not true and you are being very rude and then walk away - with the kids if they are there. You don't want her learning that women should just take this - although obviously you also don't really want her learning that this is what adult relationships are like.

Ideally of course you'd be able to run far away and never look back, and you and the kids would never see him again. I think I would ring Women's Aid, tell them about the abuse towards you and their daughter and see what their advice is.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 15:41

Jessie1259 · 10/10/2024 15:35

This is a really horrible situation OP, staying leaves her open to emotional abuse every day, leaving leaves her open to abuse with no one to run to when she gets upset. How do you explain to her why you've left when you have to send her back to him every week? It's a shit situation OP.

I think at the very least you need to start getting the message into her that this isn't ok. You're telling her it's ok when she comes to you - and it really isn't. She's already completely desperate for attention from an abusive man - how do you think that is going to play out as she gets older.

I'd try 'was daddy unkind to you? That is not ok. If people are unkind to you the best thing to do is to spend time with someone else instead. Why don't you play a game with me?'

Does she see him treating you badly too? If it's comments then you need to at least be standing up to it. He puts you down and you say 'that is not true and you are being very rude and then walk away - with the kids if they are there. You don't want her learning that women should just take this - although obviously you also don't really want her learning that this is what adult relationships are like.

Ideally of course you'd be able to run far away and never look back, and you and the kids would never see him again. I think I would ring Women's Aid, tell them about the abuse towards you and their daughter and see what their advice is.

Edited

Generally good advice 👍

“I'd try 'was daddy unkind to you? “

That won’t go down well with the system.

It will be looked on as ‘parental alienation’ asking ‘leading questions’ and ‘putting ideas in her head’’. 😔

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 15:53

Ebeneser · 10/10/2024 13:00

See, this would be my concern. But the mother will get blamed either way - either because she didn’t leave or because she did leave and the child got it worse

Correct. The mother will be blamed, and there’s nothing she can do to protect them from him. If she leaves they will have a safe home with her but will still have to be taken to him regularly, and left there. He will have free rein and as long as there are no marks left on them no one in the system will care.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 16:03

StopStartStop · 10/10/2024 13:42

Get your children out of there, and don't give him unsupervised access.

don't give him unsupervised access.”

If he wants contact the court will make that decision and from bitter experience the courts will give him every other weekend plus weeknights.

The mother won’t be able to stop it.

JustWalkingTheDogs · 10/10/2024 16:10

I think you'd be surprised at the impact it has on your dc.

Sounds like your eldest is trauma bonded to your dh as a result of his treatment of her. This isn't a healthy relationship for her.

You'll be showing your dc that they don't have to be treated like this by a potential partner, husband or someone they know. You'll teach them healthy boundaries etc

Bbq1 · 10/10/2024 16:13

I don't think Op is even coming back. That probably means the abuse of an innocent young child will continue to be enabled. Sickening.

Normallynumb · 10/10/2024 16:51

This is heartbreaking to read
Your DDs deserve to feel loved and protected by their parents not bullied
Leave, like yesterday.
This cruelty may well affect your DDs throughout the rest of their lives
Everything else can be sorted( housing, job, finances) Difficult it may be for a while, but they will know they are loved, valued and safe

Turnups · 10/10/2024 17:09

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 15:12

Please read this to understand what I’m talking about.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-66531409

Yes, terrible. But it doesn’t say anything that leads me to think that keeping records of unreasonable behaviour (without telling the child) can be seen as "parental alienation".

zazazoop · 10/10/2024 17:51

rabper · 10/10/2024 11:30

How did separation impact your kids? Did you ever think it impacted their self esteem or overall?

Well your daughters self esteem will be slim to none anyway if you stay with a man like that, he will give her a host of issues that will take her adult life to resolve if you do stay. The best thing you can do is leave and quickly

zazazoop · 10/10/2024 17:52

To be clear I mean leave him and start afresh in a happy environment with your children

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 18:26

zazazoop · 10/10/2024 17:52

To be clear I mean leave him and start afresh in a happy environment with your children

If he wants to be in their lives the courts will facilitate that for at least ten more years.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 18:30

Turnups · 10/10/2024 17:09

Yes, terrible. But it doesn’t say anything that leads me to think that keeping records of unreasonable behaviour (without telling the child) can be seen as "parental alienation".

It’s not looked upon favourably. And can be taken as evidence that the mother is ‘hostile to contact’ and is actively engaging in ‘parental alienation’.

Please believe me. I and others have experience of how this system works.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 10/10/2024 18:36

rabper · 10/10/2024 11:30

How did separation impact your kids? Did you ever think it impacted their self esteem or overall?

My DD was 3 when I kicked her emotionally abusive father out. She cried the day he left and used to scream the house down when the phone rang as she thought it was him. And she didn't want to talk to him.

Within a matter of weeks she wasn't bothered about him. And now 12 years later she doesn't even remember him living here.

She's absolutely fine.

justthatgirl1 · 10/10/2024 18:43

My husband has always been disrespectful to me. *
*
Immediate red flag. Hes a heartless man. Please don't think you won't be able to cope without him, life will be better and easier in the long run.

He sounds pretty evil to be horrible his own child.. don't know how you have lived with this man for so long.

Paulettamcgee · 10/10/2024 18:43

I have not read the full thread, apologies. I echo this is a horrendous situation for you and your daughters and see little option aside from leaving. But.....please speak to either your local domestic abuse service or Refuge's National Domestic Abuse Helpline. You want a professional recording this type of behaviour in case you need to rely on it in future e.g child access residency. The domestic abuse agency may speak to you about making a safeguarding children referral and whilst that may feel scary, I'd suggest it's not a bad thing.

Turnups · 10/10/2024 18:43

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 18:30

It’s not looked upon favourably. And can be taken as evidence that the mother is ‘hostile to contact’ and is actively engaging in ‘parental alienation’.

Please believe me. I and others have experience of how this system works.

Ok, I’ll take your word for it.

StopStartStop · 10/10/2024 19:13

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 18:26

If he wants to be in their lives the courts will facilitate that for at least ten more years.

I'm so frustrated by the way women and children are dealt with by authorities. Do you have a solution? The vile father will continue to emotionally undermine his children after divorce, to hurt their mother.

I divorced my husband in 1988. My daughter was 4. She's now 42. She had to see him every Saturday (that he turned up and wasn't 'on holiday' again) and Saturdays are still nightmarish for her, full of low mood and hurt. Visits stopped when she was 18 and her father died about ten years ago but she still suffers.

Someone recently asked 'When did 50/50 start?' When men realised they wouldn't have to pay maintenance if they took the children half the time. Any woman having a baby today needs to think about how she'll raise her child alone. It's all fucked.

Getonwitit · 10/10/2024 19:14

You have chosen to have children with a bully, why are you surprised he is now bullying your child? You need to do the right thing for your children and get them away from him and you need to do it now before he damages your poor child anymore than he has already. He is not going to get better. Get them out of the mess they live in.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 19:16

StopStartStop · 10/10/2024 19:13

I'm so frustrated by the way women and children are dealt with by authorities. Do you have a solution? The vile father will continue to emotionally undermine his children after divorce, to hurt their mother.

I divorced my husband in 1988. My daughter was 4. She's now 42. She had to see him every Saturday (that he turned up and wasn't 'on holiday' again) and Saturdays are still nightmarish for her, full of low mood and hurt. Visits stopped when she was 18 and her father died about ten years ago but she still suffers.

Someone recently asked 'When did 50/50 start?' When men realised they wouldn't have to pay maintenance if they took the children half the time. Any woman having a baby today needs to think about how she'll raise her child alone. It's all fucked.

I’m so sad to hear what happened to you and your daughter. It is diabolical. And I use that word advisedly. It’s literally hellish. The trauma never stops
The children continue to suffer on and on 😭

pinkyredrose · 10/10/2024 19:17

My husband has always been disrespectful to me

Why did you marry him?

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