Xl bully- advice am I being unreasonable?!

[Jade1989x]

My daughters dad has just gone and got an xl bully puppy on 31st dec, we are split so my daughter goes to her dads every other weekend. I need peoples advice, in my opinion it is really irresponsible and stupid that he’s gone and got this dog with it now being classed as a dangerous dog and banned breed. I’m now put in a situation where I’m not happy for my daughter to be around this dog yet obviously I still want her to have contact with her dad. I’ve shared my concerns with her dad but don’t really feel like I’ve got anywhere with him just gives me shitty answers back.
As her mother I’m well within my rights to raise any concerns with him about the safety of my child.
if you was in my situation what would you do? This is so stressful and causing me anxiety, my daughter is 11 but she is an anxious girl and not very confident around animals. She understands my concerns but I feel like as her mom I need to stand by my concerns. I just don’t know where I stand with this or what direction to go in.
please be kind, as I know this is a sensitive subject but I need advice.

Hold on, how I’m did he obtain one on 31st December. That action alone was illegal. So he’s failed at the first post so no, my daughter wouldn’t be going for that action alone. You have parental power to retain full custody of your child due to your concerns. I would raise this as there is a PR in place. As far as I’m aware, you can do this on a temporary basis without permission given the nature of your concerns and his illegal activities but someone more knowledgeable will be able to advise

I thought this as well but then considered maybe the OP is in Scotland? As I've seen and heard of lots of these dogs being taken there due to the E&W ban.

Incorrect. These dogs can turn on a family member, despite being trained, socialised and having an 'appropriate home' with stimulation and exercise. They've been bred to be aggressive. It is in their nature, they cannot help it.

I would not allow my child to be around a dog breed that is known to kill and maim quite frequently.

worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/strongest-dog-bite-force/

You may find this interesting, especially to see where the Pitbull and American Bully fall. Other banned breeds are on the list but lots of breeds that aren't which have a stronger bite.

Yes, yes, I know - bite force is not equal to aggression. But it's interesting reading all the same.

Some XLs you see are so malformed and cross bred that it's distressing. There was a Panorama documentary about them which is eye opening.

When I was at school, a friend had to have their shih tzu compulsory destroyed after it attacked a child. Any dog, or any animal, is dangerous. Cats, even hamsters! I had to remove a hamster from my DSis's nose once!

Training and responsible ownership is first and foremost, along with the animal's welfare.

Seriously?!!!!

Any dog can turn. Relatives of mine found that out. Fortunately it wasn’t big enough to do my uncle serious damage and he was able to drag it into the kitchen and keep it away from the DC while the vet was called.

What do you think most people’s chances are of doing the same with one of these dogs?

No child of mine would be anywhere near one of these animals. They have killed grown adults.

My local RSPCA had one advertised that stated it had to be rehomed by the latest 31st December. So yes, you could rehome on 31st December.

You have no right to prevent access. He would take you to court if you did and win visitation.

Exactly. Nearly 70% in the uk if I remember right came from that dog and they're being bred with each other because the UK is small. There are still idiots who want a direct line to kimbo. It's horrifying.

STILL people think it's an owner issue, it's bigger than that. Humans suck.

Not at any point have I said I’m stopping access so please don’t accuse me of that, she goes on holidays with her dad has extra time with him etc. I am saying that I am not comfortable with her being around a banned breed of dog/ dangerous dog.
im asking in peoples opinion as to where I stand because I don’t want my daughter put at risk by a dog who can kill.
as her mother I have every right to be concerned and ask the questions. I just don’t want her around the dog NOT her dad.

No, it wasn’t illegal. Like I said. The hyperbole around this ban is ridiculous with posters like this spouting shit out of their arse

XL Bullies attract irresponsible owners-
That they are actively seeking a Killer line shows the type they are.
But putting children at risk is so mindlessly selfish.
Sad inadequate men are trying to compensate by having an aggressive dog.

I own a bull breed and I still hate these dogs. They just aren't like other breeds. Other breeds may have the same/similar strength but the genetics of XL's seem to combine insanity and aggression with power. It's a recipe for disaster and how Facebook morons can still compare them to 'angry little sausage dogs' is beyond me.

Maybe with a responsible owner there's less chance of them attacking. But those are still not good enough odds when it comes to your child.

What was his reason for choosing this particular breed?

And how different would the outcome have been for your sister if it was an XL bully rather than a hamster?

All animals might be capable of aggression, but few are capable of the damage an XL bully can inflict. The OP wouldn't worry if her ex had a hamster; it's a totally different scenario.

Where you stand in what sense? What are you asking?

TOO many dogs in the UK come from that line though. That's the point. Not all of them irresponsible owners.

As in am I within my rights to say I don’t want a dangerous dog breed around my child.

Yes, it is. From 31st December it became illegal to sell, rehome or give away an XL bully

She has every right to protect her daughter from a violent banned dog breed, and her father would have to show explicitly exactly what he was doing to keep his child safe. And stick to it.

Court certainly wouldn’t look kindly at putting a child’s life at risk, which it will be when this animal grows to full size.

Best outcome here is the puppy being put down asap.

You're completely right. I'd hope the courts would look dimly on a parent getting a dog that is banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act and exposing their defenceless child to it, but I don't know what they would do. He's certainly behaved recklessly and irresponsibly, and if he's stupid enough to take on an xl bully now then he's probably also too stupid to keep it away from her when she visits. Hopefully the fact it is a banned breed means you can do something about it.

When she’s in your care yes. But that’s as far as it goes.

@Jade1989x does your ex live in Scotland- if not then ask for confirmation that he has registered the dog

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-a-certificate-of-exemption-to-keep-an-xl-bully-dog

It will be illegal to own the dog after 1st Feb if the certificate is not in place.

If he is registering it; ask him what steps he is taking to ensure that the child you share is safe; and do this all in writing.

If he cannot provide you with assurance that you find reasonable (a reasonable answer might be dog is never unsupervised with your child and dog will be fully assessed regularly by a trained behaviour specialist) then see about getting further safeguarding advice as your child will be at risk

I had an infant relative’s stepfather having one of these dogs and I was concerned for their life. I was so relieved when they broke up. Just keep her away he will have to make a choice.

That’s not correct @AnneValentine OP can take temporary custody where she has valid concerns of her child’s safety. Can you contact SS for clarity?

Honestly OP if I were in your position my child wouldn't be setting foot in that house again. I wouldn't give a shit what agreement was in place. I'd see him in court.

I would hate this, but one question, you said he's had other dogs, did he train them, if he trained them and actually trains this the chances are further reduced, but what a prat, why would anyone want one.