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Word for toddler girl private parts...

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Blessedbethefruitz · 13/10/2023 19:23

Weird question, sorry! Huge searchable history on here, I'm not a troll!

With ds it was easy - willy is freely used across the UK.

But I want dd 20 months to have a word to describe her vulva/vagina, for if she's hurt, needs a wee, has a uti etc. Right now she seems to think it's her bottom as I refer to changing her bottom/nappy. I don't want something ridiculous like flower, or something gross like minge or fanny. What's usual in your home/circles/region? She knows when she needs a 'wee wee' from copying her big brother. I could use that I suppose?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2023 20:30

Zola1 · 13/10/2023 20:25

The safeguarding squad.. honestly it takes me 1 second to say to a child 'what do you mean by your flower' or whatever. They tell you or point. That's it. I've sat in a whole lot of police interviews for sexual abuse and given evidence before Jurys on disclosures of sexual abuse and helped secure convictions and long custodial sentences. Not one child has ever used the word vulva or vagina to me.

Squad rather than brigade. At least the names have changed.

Because a child repeatedly talking about her genitals would be a red flag but a girl wandering around the playground saying, "flower, flower, flower" wouldn't. Because a child holding a toy car randomly goes up to the teacher and says "bobby touched my Mini" would be misinterpreted. Because not all adults a child discloses to are teachers or doctors. Every single person needs to know every single euphemism. Because children who actually are talking about flowers and minis shouldn't be used to clarify or show or point.

What exactly is wrong with vagina? Actually.

Zola1 · 13/10/2023 20:30

GodDammitCecil · 13/10/2023 20:26

Ok, but those words aren’t offensive. So why not just use them?

Did I say what my own child uses? No 🙃. I was reflecting that as a professional who takes disclosures of sexual harm, this has never been muddied by use of a euphemism

Ilikeyourdecor · 13/10/2023 20:31

BodegaSushi · 13/10/2023 20:16

I'm still laughing over the poster who said their toddler would see a pregnant woman and say the baby is in her uterus 😂

Ohhhhhhkaaaaay

Why? My 2.5 year old knows the word uterus. I intentionally taught it to them and never say a baby is in someone's tummy. Dc has actually started saying the baby is in the Mummy's belly (no idea where they picked that up, possibly Bluey or something) but I say uterus.

OP, I would use vulva, vagina, and probably, (like a pp), wee-hole, baby-hole and poo-hole. The different parts of the bottom haven't come up in conversation yet though.

Tuppence - never heard of it before this thread
Mini, foofoo, foof, front bottom, fairy, flower - I've heard of these, but never heard anyone actually say in real life.
Private parts - my Mum used this when I was growing up. I find it OK if I'm referring to everything between my legs.
Vajayjay - I do hear it, mostly mockingly, but wouldn't teach it to a child.
Fanny - slightly crude and wouldn't teach it to a child.

Maybe I just live in a really weird part of the UK! Everyone I know says vagina or vulva 🤷

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BodegaSushi · 13/10/2023 20:32

Zola1 · 13/10/2023 20:25

The safeguarding squad.. honestly it takes me 1 second to say to a child 'what do you mean by your flower' or whatever. They tell you or point. That's it. I've sat in a whole lot of police interviews for sexual abuse and given evidence before Jurys on disclosures of sexual abuse and helped secure convictions and long custodial sentences. Not one child has ever used the word vulva or vagina to me.

Thank you. I think a while ago a post went 'viral' about a kettle girl telling her teacher that her uncle touched her cookie and no one had a clue what she meant. It was a pile of made up shite but so many people ran with it and said nonsense like 'your child will be less likely to be abused if they know the correct words' 🤯

GoodVibesHere · 13/10/2023 20:32

sleepD3pr1ived · 13/10/2023 20:24

Vulva and vagina - do you make up silly words for other parts of your children's anatomy?

Yeh there are some silly words but I do use them.

I mean belly button is pretty silly, but oh well.

Naval = belly button
Gluteus maximus = bum, butt, arse, bottom
Little finger = pinky
Breasts = boobs

BodegaSushi · 13/10/2023 20:33

Penguinsmum · 13/10/2023 20:26

We call it willy for boys and willow for girls!

Genius

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2023 20:33

I know the etymology @fartfacenotfatface

And I prefer cunt TBH. My point was the sound of the word vagina is not ugly.

Zola1 · 13/10/2023 20:33

YouAreBeingUnbearable · 13/10/2023 20:28

@Zola1 With all that you’ve seen, would you still feel weird about a child using the correct word? I find this a really weird argument. Great that you are able to ascertain what the child means in the most horrific of circumstances, but surely that sort of exposure makes you realise just how ridiculous it is that some people think that teaching the word “vulva” is too much?

Edited

As mentioned, it's not a weird argument, I honestly don't mind what words your children use. Teach them to say vulva, it certainly is not offensive to me (why would it be?) and its great that it'll bring you confidence that your children can use the anatomically correct language. I was just commenting that at the point of sexual harm having taken place the actual terms used aren't make or break.

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/10/2023 20:35

DC is too little yet but we will use penis and vulva/vagina to assure that there's no confusion when talking about them.

I'm also not a fan of flower, foof etc.

raaraaskirt · 13/10/2023 20:36

We just use the anatomical words vagina/vulva or penis and also 'private parts'. I think front bottom sounds gross.

mondaytosunday · 13/10/2023 20:37

My daughter used to call it her front bottom. She learned the correct words but that made more sense to her.

Mammillaria · 13/10/2023 20:38

Personally I think vulva is rather cute sounding and very easy for a young child to say.

I don't see any harm in using well known regional variations in every day use so long as everyone knows and is happy to use the anatomical names when appropriate. I've never heard foof but one friend's DD did use Minnie and, whilst I'd never heard it used for vulva, I did work out from the context what she meant.

I don't want to shame anyone as it's not your fault if you grew up with hang ups about the female body, but I am surprised that adults go to the doctor only prepared to say they have pain "down there" then - what? Coyly point towards the location of pain whilst the doctor prompts them to discover whether they mean their vulva /vagina/clitoris/etc?? Offer up clues like "when I wee/have sex" and hope they can guess from that??

TheBirdintheCave · 13/10/2023 20:40

My son knows he has a penis. For me it's no different to saying hand or leg or eye. It's just the name of a body part 🤷🏻‍♀️

If we had a girl I'd be saying vulva/vagina.

YouAreBeingUnbearable · 13/10/2023 20:41

@Zola1 It seems really odd that someone in your position would say anything that may dissuade people from trying to protect their children, whether you think their reasoning is valid to your specific experience or not.

Maybe not ‘make or break’ but potentially helpful. I wouldn’t be putting any parent off doing all they can to raise a red flag sooner and more clearly if the worst was to happen.

TheShellBeach · 13/10/2023 20:41

We'll bring different words in when they're old enough

And that will be when, exactly? How will you decide that?

WeightoftheWorld · 13/10/2023 20:43

GodDammitCecil · 13/10/2023 20:24

Likewise, only on MN will someone say ‘foof’ is preferable to vulva.

Surely you can see that for someone who doesn’t use the word ‘foof’, it is a ridiculous word!

I'd never heard 'foof' before. Or some of the other examples given on this thread.

Snugglemonkey · 13/10/2023 20:44

blanketsmell · 13/10/2023 19:45

Why would it need to be any clearer though?

In the worst case scenario, they were sexually assaulted, it needs to be very clear what happened to them. There is also evidence that using correct terminology reduces shame around discussing sex, sexual pleasure, enhances connectedness to one's own body, confidence and body image.

Using euphemisms encourages the idea that talking about a vulva or vagina is wrong, shameful or dirty. Children may well feel it is rude to mention "private parts" and be discouraged from reporting inappropriate touches, or dodgy conversations predators may initiate with them.

Using correct words lays the foundation for healthy adult sexual functioning and the ability to communicate well with sexual partners.

The NSPCC has excellent advice on this topic, as do numerous child protection agencies.

mathanxiety · 13/10/2023 20:45

Vulva and vaguna, surely?

mathanxiety · 13/10/2023 20:46

It would be a shame not to teach your son the correct terms for his private parts too.

EarringsandLipstick · 13/10/2023 20:47

Onlywords · 13/10/2023 20:12

My girls use vulva but also use wee hole, baby hole and poo hole. It was never my intention but it just grew out of discussing the role of the various parts of their ‘bottom’.

Oh God 🤮

Donein2023 · 13/10/2023 20:48

Vulva, urethra is more likely wee hole at first, anus

if they need to tell you for any reason, there’s no confusion with the real name

Bibbitybobbitty · 13/10/2023 20:52

Really important to teach them the proper words early & they are not embarrassing! For safeguarding reasons, you can check the nspçc website for info on how to talk to children of all ages. There have been documented cases of abuse where opportunities to help children at an early stage were missed because e.g. a child told teacher that X was playing with her 'flower'. (Of course trained abuse staff will be well aware of many possible descriptions but that doesn't help if the original adult disclosed to doesn't understand so therefore it won't be escalated)
Much more important that you get over any embarrassment & just normalise the language.
I've never heard the term 'foof' & regionalisations just add further confusion, no guarantee a teacher would be from your area & know this either .

EarringsandLipstick · 13/10/2023 20:53

It wasn't a conscious thing but for my boys, it's 'penis' & 'vagina / vulva' for my daughter. They are now teens / preteens so the boys presumably have their own terminology but when they've to talk to me, it's 'penis' without any self-consciousness

I do remember my DD saying 'front bottom' when small, occasionally but generally we used proper terminology.

Snugglemonkey · 13/10/2023 20:56

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2023 20:21

Vagina is a lovely word. If it wasn't a word for genitalia it would probably be a girl's name. So why the 'eeeuuuuuwwwww'? I mean it is because it's girls' genitalia, isn't it? 'Willy" is just as boring a word in itself.

It's OK to have a think about that. Why we think cunt is the 'worst word'. Why we shy away from vagina for toddlers. Why we expect girls to wear skirts but then also knickers and bike shorts. There is a lot to unpick. Some of it is uncomfortable. So we call people who think differently a 'brigade' and 'clinical' and 'virtue signalling' and all the other words on this thread. Easier to just reject other women and call them names than think about internalised misogyny.

So this!

QueenOfHiraeth · 13/10/2023 20:57

The problem with using vulva and vagina intending to reduce confusion is that so many adult women don't seem to understand the distinction and refer to the whole area as the vagina anyway!
Foof does seem to be the colloquial term round here