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NHS now say you can cosleep safely.

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Emmamoo89 · 11/03/2023 14:17

The never sleep with your baby has now been removed and updated to be safe if you share your bed with your baby.

Isn't that awesome 👏 😊

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Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 06:25

Nicecow · 12/03/2023 01:54

This says how to reduce SIDS. NOT THAT IT'S SAFE! My friends baby died from this, babies actually die from co-sleeping, so go for it if you're willing to risk that.

I'm sorry that happened to your friend. But you can't prevent sids. It's going to happen regardless.

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Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 06:27

Nicecow · 12/03/2023 01:54

This says how to reduce SIDS. NOT THAT IT'S SAFE! My friends baby died from this, babies actually die from co-sleeping, so go for it if you're willing to risk that.

When they die with co sleeping its more like to be suffocation

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tunamayo81 · 12/03/2023 09:54

Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 06:27

When they die with co sleeping its more like to be suffocation

Which tells you it’s not safe! Goodness me, are you always like this? carrying on even when people have shown that you’re innocent?

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HistoryFanatic · 12/03/2023 10:02

If you haven't squished your baby it is because of luck and not a supposedly superior motherly instinct because you happen to breastfeed.

FrodisCapering · 12/03/2023 10:18

@HistoryFanatic Amen! The voice of reason!

SalmonKnicks · 12/03/2023 10:21

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bussteward · 12/03/2023 10:21

HistoryFanatic · 12/03/2023 10:02

If you haven't squished your baby it is because of luck and not a supposedly superior motherly instinct because you happen to breastfeed.

This isn’t true, and it’s not about “superior” instincts – it’s about sleeping more lightly when breastfeeding and purposefully cosleeping, and breastfed, cosleeping babies moving around less when sleeping than formula-fed babies do. It’s not a breast Vs formula pointless and goady debate, it’s just how differently fed babies behave, well, differently.

Okunevo · 12/03/2023 10:28

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Not my experience. I hear of far more parents who didn't cosleep but their child started coming into their bed at 2 or 3 who have these issues, my sibling is an example.

Babyboomtastic · 12/03/2023 10:42

bussteward · 12/03/2023 10:21

This isn’t true, and it’s not about “superior” instincts – it’s about sleeping more lightly when breastfeeding and purposefully cosleeping, and breastfed, cosleeping babies moving around less when sleeping than formula-fed babies do. It’s not a breast Vs formula pointless and goady debate, it’s just how differently fed babies behave, well, differently.

Do ff babies develop gross motor skills faster then? As in, formula accelerates milestones? That's amazing...

bussteward · 12/03/2023 10:44

Babyboomtastic · 12/03/2023 10:42

Do ff babies develop gross motor skills faster then? As in, formula accelerates milestones? That's amazing...

Not remotely what I said. To what do you attribute your deliberate misreading of MN posts?

Okunevo · 12/03/2023 10:48

Babyboomtastic · 12/03/2023 10:42

Do ff babies develop gross motor skills faster then? As in, formula accelerates milestones? That's amazing...

DS crawled properly at 5 months, he didn't move around much at night. Breastfed, cosleeping baby. The PP meant behaviour, not ability.

Babyboomtastic · 12/03/2023 11:13

bussteward · 12/03/2023 10:44

Not remotely what I said. To what do you attribute your deliberate misreading of MN posts?

You said that breastfed babies move less.
Is there any evidence of this resent strange claim?

Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 11:25

tunamayo81 · 12/03/2023 09:54

Which tells you it’s not safe! Goodness me, are you always like this? carrying on even when people have shown that you’re innocent?

Well I am and its still a small risk. More likely to happen if you fall asleep on the couch than a bed

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Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 11:26

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Well I haven't made a rod of my own back and baba will happily sleep in his room on his own 🤷‍♀️

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Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 11:40

Okunevo · 12/03/2023 10:48

DS crawled properly at 5 months, he didn't move around much at night. Breastfed, cosleeping baby. The PP meant behaviour, not ability.

That's exactly what was meant.

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Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 11:40

HistoryFanatic · 12/03/2023 10:02

If you haven't squished your baby it is because of luck and not a supposedly superior motherly instinct because you happen to breastfeed.

It's not down to luck at all...

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Babyboomtastic · 12/03/2023 12:02

Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 11:40

That's exactly what was meant.

Meh, my ff baby was exactly the same.

Do you have any actual evidence for your claim?

User1706 · 12/03/2023 12:27

Great stuff, the NHS has finally accepted a lot do this anyway so better to provide sensible guidance then push more guilt on mothers.

Slightly separate topic but I think they could add an additional line in there, since lockdown I know a few families with dogs who also have them on the bed - surely this is also not safe. Regardless of what people will say on the size or temperament of their dog.

Okunevo · 12/03/2023 12:42

I'd have thought a dog shouldn't be unsupervised in a room with a child, or have access when parents are sleeping whether the child is in a moses basket, cot, or cosleeping?

User1706 · 12/03/2023 12:49

KickAssMumma · 11/03/2023 15:53

Stupid question but I’m alone and pregnant and ten weeks to go, but I always wanted to do what I think this is but told not to. Now it’s safe (though I’ll give all options good thought first) can someone explain please what this is? As I have a bedside cot thing (bassinet?) that you let the side down. A Moses basket I was told I can put on the bed next to me. (Also told NOT TO EVER- the advice is always so conflicting between professionals and it confuses me terribly) A tiny rocker thing that looks like a mix between a very small pram top and a Moses basket but it’s on a rocker stand, and an actual cot (yes I went overboard and intend to donate what doesn’t get used/ gets grown out of) but I didn’t have anything growing up and now age 35 first time mum no parents and clueless and a bit scared but also sick of health visitor “orders”
ie “you won’t need a breast pump yet as you’ll be breast feeding” erm what will I be doing now? What if I can’t? What if I don’t want to? What if I want to only express? What about the fact that pumping extra to store will make being alone so much easier for my life if he needs feeding and I’m done in and tired
so I want to breast AND pump? (FYI all- I got the damn pump AND the storage bags etc etc. My body my baby and I was sensibly told that ultimately- FED is best.) So anyway sorry for rant but I thought the bedside bassinet thing that you let the side down was co sleeping? Is it not? Is co sleeping the baby in bed with you? If so how is this done safely? I darent bloody ask the health visitor lady. Don’t need a pump indeed 🤨. Any advice on any of this would really help. I was advised not to google because of my anxiety. And also - experienced and new and soon to be mums are gonna know better when you ask a group of them! Thanks for any advice 🙏

If you go on the lullaby trust website they provide safe sleep guidelines for having the baby in your bed, they are a reputable SIDS charity so have always respected some families co-sleep. They also provide guidelines on cots and other sleep equipment too. If you follow them on social media they regularly post updates depending on the seasons e.g in summer they post about keeping your baby cool over Christmas they post about alcohol and sharing a bed etc.

Ps. Unfortunately and I think most mums will agree the health service seems to notoriously disagree when it comes to children, particularly infant feeding. At the end of the day I've always found as a mum its part of our job to educate ourselves and then go with what works best for our babies and us. If you would like to breastfeed I would search the term IBCL, this is the qualification you need to become an official infant feeding professional as the term 'feeding consultant' or similar isn't protected so your pet dog could call themselves that without any prior education which is one of the reasons so much incorrect or outdated advice is ouf there. The website kellymom.com is written by IBCL's and covers a wide range of topics including sleep and breastpumps. There are reasons why breastpumps, bottles, dummies etc aren't initially recommended but they can be incredibly helpful later down the line if it works for you. I always wanted to combi feed too for personal reasons however a few month's in found my son was having none of it so you never know!

Roselilly36 · 12/03/2023 13:03

I co slept with my two, as mums have being doing so for centuries, not a new trend. Both of them were ebf. My midwife didn’t have any problem with it.

jemimapuddlepluck · 12/03/2023 13:20

Combi fed both mine. Never co slept. I'm a very routine loving mother 😬i promise I am maternal though!
Still think this is about time. I think most parents I know co slept, whether they breastfed or bottle fed, dont we all rely on our instincts as mothers?
The most important thing apart from babies health obviously is mums mental health and lack of sleep can destroy it. The NHS stating this will take a lot of guilt away methinks and that is fantastic for new mums/parents doing their best.
I realise some people also co sleep just because they want to, it was never for me but I was bloody blessed with good sleepers who were happy in a moses basket/cot.

jannier · 12/03/2023 14:30

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Agree I've worked with so many parents who are desperate for a descent night's sleep and can't get one because their 7 year olds are still kicking off or worse 3 year olds who now wake the older siblings instead

jannier · 12/03/2023 14:33

User1706 · 12/03/2023 12:49

If you go on the lullaby trust website they provide safe sleep guidelines for having the baby in your bed, they are a reputable SIDS charity so have always respected some families co-sleep. They also provide guidelines on cots and other sleep equipment too. If you follow them on social media they regularly post updates depending on the seasons e.g in summer they post about keeping your baby cool over Christmas they post about alcohol and sharing a bed etc.

Ps. Unfortunately and I think most mums will agree the health service seems to notoriously disagree when it comes to children, particularly infant feeding. At the end of the day I've always found as a mum its part of our job to educate ourselves and then go with what works best for our babies and us. If you would like to breastfeed I would search the term IBCL, this is the qualification you need to become an official infant feeding professional as the term 'feeding consultant' or similar isn't protected so your pet dog could call themselves that without any prior education which is one of the reasons so much incorrect or outdated advice is ouf there. The website kellymom.com is written by IBCL's and covers a wide range of topics including sleep and breastpumps. There are reasons why breastpumps, bottles, dummies etc aren't initially recommended but they can be incredibly helpful later down the line if it works for you. I always wanted to combi feed too for personal reasons however a few month's in found my son was having none of it so you never know!

The Lullaby Trust do still say babies own bed is safest though but if you insist on co sleeping this is the safest way to do it .....I think most parents beds fail on the firm sleeping surface front for a start.

Emmamoo89 · 12/03/2023 14:48

jemimapuddlepluck · 12/03/2023 13:20

Combi fed both mine. Never co slept. I'm a very routine loving mother 😬i promise I am maternal though!
Still think this is about time. I think most parents I know co slept, whether they breastfed or bottle fed, dont we all rely on our instincts as mothers?
The most important thing apart from babies health obviously is mums mental health and lack of sleep can destroy it. The NHS stating this will take a lot of guilt away methinks and that is fantastic for new mums/parents doing their best.
I realise some people also co sleep just because they want to, it was never for me but I was bloody blessed with good sleepers who were happy in a moses basket/cot.

I love a routine. My son was in one at 6 weeks. He loves it. It helps a lot. It definitely is fantastic now mams don't need to worry or feel guilty 😌 I'm blesses having a good sleeper but it was only when he was teething/poorly we Co slept

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