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Quotes from Narcissistic Mothers (& support for their victims) Thread 2

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01Name · 20/09/2022 13:55

Following on from this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4610023-to-ask-for-your-quotes-from-narcissistic-mothers?page=39&reply=120137262, started by @itsgoodtobehome as a tongue-in-cheek repository for anecdotes of appalling remarks/deeds from parents/siblings with rampant NPD. It morphed into a place where those of us suffering the effects of such behaviour could share experiences, solidarity, advice and support. I hope this thread can continue the good work of the original. Your voice will be heard; your opinion and thoughts matter. You are welcome and valued here.

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SilverLiningPlaybook · 18/03/2023 10:10

speakout · 18/03/2023 07:32

My mother gave me an album of photos of herself when she was young "to remind" me of "how beautiful she was"

And added " it's a pity you didn't inherit my fine features"

This is just unspeakably awful.
My mother would remind me all the time that she had a tiny waist when young and could eat anything she wanted as an adult without gaining weight. Which wasn’t true as she hardly ate anything. Both my father and mother would compare me unfavourably to her . Somehow it didn’t crush me but it could have. They never complimented me, even on my wedding day.

My sister on the other hand was considered amazing by them both. Even though she wasn’t actually more attractive than me objectively. Her personality just suited them better so they decided she was infinitely preferable .

speakout · 18/03/2023 12:30

SilverLiningPlaybook that is unvelievably horrible.

It is so screwed up to treat other people this way- but to tear down our daughters is unbelievably cruel.
But it seems our mothers are oblivious to the damage we cause,and if we try to object or complain, the conversation quickly turns into an attack, or a boast, or a put down.
So in the end we just don't bother.
No one has had a better marriage than my mother, no one has had a more interesting life or ever travelled or has a funny story worth telling.
And if we start telling our story about being chased by a giant tortoise or swimming with wild turtles or how I felt seeing a forest of giant Redwood trees we are quickly moved to her few travels.
So in the end I just don't try.
Because she simply is not interested. In fact I can see the shutters come down.
She has zero interest in my life, knows that I am a cruel monster, nothing I can never say is valid or worthwhile.

I did try for decades to cutivate our relationship, but my efforts were ignored or ridiculed.
My mother has no concept of who I am- in her eyes she already knows, and doesn't like what she sees.
I can see myself reflected in my mother's eyes, she treats me like a violent monster. She thinks I am hot headed, vulgar, too outspoken, evil, self indulgent, selfish, brutal, distrustful.

Grey rock does work, it is hard not to react sometimes, and I often have to bite my tongue.
I let her live in her fantasy world.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 18/03/2023 13:34

@speakout Totally get it. My NMs focus (apart from my disappointingly to her non curly hair) was my neck. She was obsessed with the fact my neck was dirty. Whenever I had washed myself, she would grab me, yank my hair out if the way and accuse me of not washing it. I have this dreadful memory of my parents arguing about whether I had or hadn’t whilst I was bent over her knee unable to move. My DF said, “Tell you what, I’ll go into the garage and get some sandpaper then you can clean it thoroughly!”
I was absolutely petrified because I genuinely as a child believed she would actually use it too.

@AliceMcK Coincidentally, I have had dreams throughout my whole life where I’m screaming and crying at her, trying to get her to understand something and she’s just laughing, mocking or ignoring me. I’ve actually woken up emotionally wrung out because they were so vivid. Luckily, they are much less frequent since her death, but they still catch me out sometimes.

All these posts are so familiar we could almost be dealing with exactly the same woman.

IclimbedSnowdon · 18/03/2023 13:57

@Nicola101177 my mother also has no photos of me in her home. There are pictures of my brother, his wife, his children, my children and her great grandchildren, but not one of me, or with me included.
A few years ago she also gave back via my son all my baby/childhood photos, with the message "I'm old so I no longer need them".
Like you I asked myself why would she do that?

speakout · 18/03/2023 18:53

JohnPrescottsPyjamas I am so sorry that you have suffered this humiliation- you deserve so much better.
I can so relate to the dirty neck situation.
I wonder why our narc mothers see such opportunity involving personal hygiene and care as a means to denigrate their children.

user1471538283 · 19/03/2023 10:10

Oh god yes the hygiene thing. I always had a bath each evening and my DM used to complain bitterly that I hated having my hair washed. Which I did because she was rough and the shampoo went into my eyes. My DGM and DGF heard the noise when we were staying there and my DGM scooped me up, comforted me and washed it again covering my eyes with a face cloth. Apparently that was me attention seeking. At 3 years old.

My DGM also scrubbed my neck once because I'd got dye from a polo neck jumper on it. Apparently it wasn't that. It was because my neck was "always dirty" but she "wouldn't tell anyone". Liar.

God I hate her.

But Happy Mother's Day to you all with DCs. You are doing an amazing job! X

speakout · 19/03/2023 10:21

I was mentally rehearsing the hug dodge this morning, so that worked. I thrust a bunch of flowers into her outstretched arms, the the attacks was deflected.
However she has left the house in a fury with me ( OH takes her to church on a Sunday morning).
She started to arrange the flowers, then realised she needed to leave for church in a rush when she realised the time.
" I am going to be late for church because you gave me these flowers, I will be a laughing stock if I walk in late", she slammed the door as she left.
I don't think anyone has slammed the door on me for giving them flowers.

On the plus side she will be gone from the house for a couple of blissful hours.

user1471538283 · 19/03/2023 10:23

She also constantly made everything into such a big job.

She refused to have an automatic washer because of course she would have time for a job. Instead she made Mondays all about doing the little laundry she did (and did badly). Sunday roast would take all day. She would get a few groceries every Friday. Again making out she was doing a huge shop and it took all day.

If I was ever off sick from school I'd see her sat in the dining room with the radio on smoking cigarettes for hours. Doing nothing. So that's what she did. Whilst my DF worked 2 jobs.

When she was older and on benefits she referred to going to the Job Centre as "going to do business". As if she was CEO of a global company. It was signing on. Again took all day.

Her first instinct was spite though. She would hide food, get rid of things that weren't hers, deliberately either not buy me things I needed or buy the wrong things, eat and drink things I'd been given as gifts. If my DF bought me anything even when I was tiny, she would have to have something or she would scream.

Because of course everything, all the time was about her.

user1471538283 · 19/03/2023 10:26

@speakout - your DM is the gift that keeps giving isn't she? I honestly don't know how you do it

reesewithoutaspoon · 19/03/2023 11:08

Happy mothers day to everyone.
Just about to get a last-minute card and hoping I can find one that isn't too schmaltzy for the dreaded visit later today. Not even got my sister with me, shes away (we usually go together for moral support) so will have to suffer her cats bum face by myself for a few hours, plus all the tales about what her friends got from their daughters. I no longer care, I stopped trying years ago to get a thoughtful present because nothing was ever good enough, it would be opened and shoved to one side without a thanks anyway.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 19/03/2023 11:17

So many bells ringing again. They must have a handbook which they work from. My mother displays loads and loads of photos of my sister and her family. There might be a very old one of me stuck at the back, usually a school photo.
She would also keep presents given to me or return them. She would throw books of mine away without mentioning it. I had a book once on tarot which just threw away because she disapproved if it. Along with lots of novels I had bought. My textbooks from Uni disappeared, probably also in the bin.
I was constantly called an attention seeker as a child.
Basic needs were badly catered for and that was it. No love or affection, no interest in me as a person.
Another strange thing she does is if she’s alone in my house she goes through it looking for something, I suspect incriminating evidence of wrongdoing. She was convinced I took drugs for years. If I stay with her she goes through my room when I’m out. Once she just took a book off the bedside table to read for herself! When I asked her where it was she just informed me she’d taken it as she liked the look of it!! She also stole something from me and took it home on another visit. What is that about? Needless to say she is never left alone now and I don’t stay overnight.

RedBonnet · 19/03/2023 11:43

I could write a book 😪 been total nc since I was 15 so this is all from my childhood (I'm 58 now)

Aged 6 I slipped on ice at school and broke my arm. Did the same thing the next winter and she said if I broke my arm again she'd break my neck.

She fostered kids (for the money) and was bad to them too. Two little boys who'd suffered abuse came and one bit his fingernails quite badly. Her solution was to tape gloves to his hands then tie them behind his back. The other boy left his jumper at school so she locked him outside in just his vest in freezing weather 😪😪

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 19/03/2023 12:31

user1471538283 · 19/03/2023 10:10

Oh god yes the hygiene thing. I always had a bath each evening and my DM used to complain bitterly that I hated having my hair washed. Which I did because she was rough and the shampoo went into my eyes. My DGM and DGF heard the noise when we were staying there and my DGM scooped me up, comforted me and washed it again covering my eyes with a face cloth. Apparently that was me attention seeking. At 3 years old.

My DGM also scrubbed my neck once because I'd got dye from a polo neck jumper on it. Apparently it wasn't that. It was because my neck was "always dirty" but she "wouldn't tell anyone". Liar.

God I hate her.

But Happy Mother's Day to you all with DCs. You are doing an amazing job! X

I think what makes me so sad, is the lack of empathy - even with their own young children - that these NMs have.

it’s really not hard to see genuine distress from a very young child - but my tears were always ‘whining or attention seeking’ My hair washing consisted of me with my head hanging over a full washing up bowl in the kitchen sink. She used a jug, but to rinse it fully, she pushed me down into the water. I wasn’t fully dunked but I still remember the fear at the strength of her shoving me face forward into that bowl and the water pouring over my mouth and nose. I used to scream and scream and she ‘joked’ for years to others about the fuss I used to make and how surprised she was that she never got a visit from child services!

As you say, @user1471538283, all it took was a little imagination. I could have been sat in the bath with my head tipped back so the water ran away from my face rather than over it, and a flannel to stop my eyes stinging from the shampoo.

My own DCs were far from indulged, but if they were genuinely upset, there was usually a reason. She often used to say, “A good hard slap. That’ll give them a reason to cry” or “Nothing a smack won’t sort out”
She loved and often quoted that horrible old expression, “Spare the rod, spoil the child”
What sort of parenting is that?

user1471538283 · 19/03/2023 12:47

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas - oh my so yours like mine thought she did a great job! To offer us advice!

It's about not seeing us as human beings. Not allowing our feelings and terror to be valid.

I only had to look at my DS to know if he was about to get upset.

It didn't matter what happened to me other things trumped it like an imaginary slight from someone to her.

No empathy, compassion or decency from any of them. And yet mine used to always say she put herself last as in "I'm sick of putting myself last". When? No you never, ever did.

Nicola101177 · 19/03/2023 13:55

This group is a masterclass in how not to parent❤️
i didn’t give a card or gift this year for the first time ever. Mother’s Day is for mothers and my mother gave up on me in 1993

Nicola101177 · 19/03/2023 13:59

Last Mother’s Day I invited her to a bbq my husband was doing for me for Mother’s Day. Of course she arrived talked all about herself, lied to me and told me my sister was paying her mortgage for her, kept telling me how skint she was, to the point I was questioning some of the things she said and I GOT WRONG 😂😂 for causing ‘problems’ oh ho ho happy days! NEVER AGAIN 😂

girlswillbegirls · 19/03/2023 14:00

All the stuff mentioned really resonates with me. The story of your mum's photos and her comments is really shocking @speakout

I have no framed photos of my mother at home at all (would be very stressful to see) so she keeps giving me her photos of her when young for me to display and her comments are hugely embarrassing. She goes on and on about being the most beautiful and stylish young woman ever.

She can't stop her criticism about my hair, or the very simple make up I wear "look at you, never making the most of yourself". I was hugely insecure as teen/ young person and any odd time I put makeup on she would laugh really loud and say "you so look like a clown". So I could never win. Either "you make no effort to look good" or "you look like a clown with that make up"
And she always (still now) compares me with my very good looking friend from uni.
As it is my fault she is so beautiful and I am not like her. And she makes this comments I'm front of her at family events. It's so embarrassing for everyone.

God I hate my mother. Its amazing to have a space to be able to say it.

I hope you all have a good day with your children. I am having a really good day with my three children and husband. It has been a really really good day. I wish time could stop xx

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 23/03/2023 20:48

The hiding things and/or sabotaging is very familiar.

When I was a teenager, a BF gave me a watch for my birthday. It wasn’t massively expensive but I loved it and the thought behind it. I always took it off at night and put it on my dressing table. One day, it just disappeared. I hunted everywhere for it and I remember her commenting on how I must have put it somewhere silly, but didn’t help me look for it. In the end, I was resigned to the fact it was gone.
Months later, I decided to flip my bed mattress, and there it was. Right in the middle on top of the divan. Her first defensive words were, “You must have put it there yourself!”
Why on earth would I have hidden it there but she kept trying to convince me I had done it myself.

She would help herself to my clothes and makeup and then swear blind I had told her she could and she never respected my privacy or had any boundaries as I knew she regularly went through my room when I was out.

The confrontations about drug taking are also familiar. When I had been out, she would often accuse me of “smoking reefers” I was actually so naive I had no idea what a reefer was!

@girlswillbegirls Don’t ever feel guilty about saying you hate your NM. I’ve often analysed my feelings for mine and I think I despised her and at the same time pitied her because her whole life was consumed with her hang ups what others were thinking about her, maintaining an unrealistic image, pretending to be something she wasn’t and looking for opportunities to take down those she was envious of. I was in my fifties before I realised that she was actually in competition with her own daughter when we should have been allies together in womanhood.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 23/03/2023 21:10

I just want to understand why they do it. All of it .

reesewithoutaspoon · 23/03/2023 22:15

SilverLiningPlaybook · 23/03/2023 21:10

I just want to understand why they do it. All of it .

That way madness lies. You will never understand it because they don't work the same way as other people. You just have to accept that they do and minimise the impact they have on you by either No contact or low contact.

girlswillbegirls · 24/03/2023 00:12

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas Many thanks for your words.
The lack of boundaries or any respect for privacy is so familiar too. I remember her reading letters from my first boyfriend I was keeping in my bedside locker and laughing about it. I was so embarrassed. Why would you do that to your kids.

Since I can remember to this day she has also a habit of touching my face I absolutely hate. The way she cannot keep a personal distance and has to touch my face.

My NM was also obsessed with the drug taking when I was young and accused me of taking drugs just because I was going out with my friends. I actually never took drugs.

@SilverLiningPlaybook I do not think is possible to understand why they do it. And actually I do not even want to understand it any more. I agree the only thing you can do is to protect yourself either with low or no contact. They don't have the capacity to change.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 24/03/2023 09:17

I find the obsession with drug taking an interesting theme. I’ve never touched drugs.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 24/03/2023 09:55

@girlswillbegirls The touching on the face - this too and very odd. She would also grab my arm very firmly with her hands like claws so it was almost painful. If I had bare arms, she would often leave nail marks. This wasn’t necessarily done in anger, it would sometimes happen when we were walking in public.

She would also want to be very touchy feely, which I hated because I couldn't disassociate the cruelty and spite and found her expectation for me to hug and kiss her as though we had a genuine loving relationship and nothing had happened - very confusing. If she put her arms around me I was acutely aware I was shrinking away.
Because of her, I’m still protective of my personal space and luckily my DH and adult DCs understand why I’m like this.

@SilverLiningPlaybook I spent so much of my life trying to understand why she behaved like she did. I think I wanted a reason to justify, apply logic to or even excuse her behaviour, maybe in the vague hope that if I unpicked it, we might have been able to build a ‘normal’ mother/daughter relationship. But in the end, whatever the reasons (and I do suspect she was also a victim of emotional abuse) if an NM doesn’t see it in themselves, you won’t change them and @girlswillbegirls says, you need to learn coping strategies and to protect yourself. Easier said than done I know because of the influence and impact NMs had on our formative years.

RenewableNewt · 24/03/2023 10:10

She would also want to be very touchy feely, which I hated because I couldn't disassociate the cruelty and spite and found her expectation for me to hug and kiss her as though we had a genuine loving relationship and nothing had happened - very confusing. If she put her arms around me I was acutely aware I was shrinking away.

I totally recognise this with mine too. Always wanting to sit too close to me and hug and wanting me to tell her I loved her. I agree that it’s so so confusing, even as an adult but very much so as a young child. It’s another way to trample all over your boundaries, isn’t it? ‘I can treat you however I want and no matter how badly I behave, you must give me this physical affection because as your mother I’m entitled to it’. That’s how it feels, anyway.

Nicola101177 · 24/03/2023 13:00

I used to feel like that. Wouldn’t go an d give her ‘cuddles’ (bleugh) which of course led to more shaming ‘you’re so cold I get loads of lovely cuddles from
your sister’ I honestly grew up thinking I was weird. Now I know exactly why I was like that she was awful to me of course I didn’t want to. My children are really clear if they don’t want to hug or kiss anyone including me then they don’t.

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