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Quotes from Narcissistic Mothers (& support for their victims) Thread 2

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01Name · 20/09/2022 13:55

Following on from this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4610023-to-ask-for-your-quotes-from-narcissistic-mothers?page=39&reply=120137262, started by @itsgoodtobehome as a tongue-in-cheek repository for anecdotes of appalling remarks/deeds from parents/siblings with rampant NPD. It morphed into a place where those of us suffering the effects of such behaviour could share experiences, solidarity, advice and support. I hope this thread can continue the good work of the original. Your voice will be heard; your opinion and thoughts matter. You are welcome and valued here.

OP posts:
SilverLiningPlaybook · 07/03/2023 17:32

How about ‘your son’ , ‘your daughter’? This is how my mother refers to my children. It’s so hurtful.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 07/03/2023 17:34

speakout · 07/03/2023 16:34

I like to exercise and keep fit,
My mother tells me it is a "waste of time" because I " never wear tight clothes to show off my figure". Verging on creepy.

Because women are only on earth for male gratification of course. 🤮

Nicola101177 · 07/03/2023 17:38

RenewableNewt · 07/03/2023 15:59

Also the eyes flashing with rage, @Nicola101177 - that’s a really vivid memory for me from childhood. I tried to do some EMDR with my counsellor around this, to desensitise the memory, but it was too upsetting and I didn’t manage to continue, unfortunately. Sometimes I wish I’d persisted, because lots of people seem to have really positive experiences with EMDR. Has anyone here used it for the sort of experiences and childhoods we’ve had?

Yes, I have. I was taken through a traumatic memory relating to my mother. It helped a lot. It helped me see the situation from ‘above’ and that it wasn’t my fault. It needs to be done carefully and it’s an individual thing I think. I have two daughters of my own now and if I feel like I’m going to lose control of my temper, I leave the room and calm down until I’m regulated again. When I saw the rage flashing at me at the age of 44 in my own home I was big enough to tell her to f@@k right off. But then I had to apologise 😂😂sending you lots of luck xx

speakout · 07/03/2023 17:49

SilverLiningPlaybook · 07/03/2023 17:32

How about ‘your son’ , ‘your daughter’? This is how my mother refers to my children. It’s so hurtful.

Wow, my mother does this too.
She also refers to my late father as "her husband", I find that odd.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 07/03/2023 18:08

speakout · 07/03/2023 17:49

Wow, my mother does this too.
She also refers to my late father as "her husband", I find that odd.

She used my children’s names - thank goodness, but yes, you’ve reminded me that she always referred to DH as ‘your husband’ when talking about him, but used his name face to face with him.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 07/03/2023 18:16

speakout · 07/03/2023 17:49

Wow, my mother does this too.
She also refers to my late father as "her husband", I find that odd.

Whats it all about do you think? So bizarre.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 07/03/2023 18:27

It might be a generational thing, but she would also refuse to update and use appropriate modern vocabulary. I know this was sheer stubbornness because I tried to tell her numerous times that it was wrong to refer to single parent families as ‘unmarried mothers’ She always assumed that if a woman with children didn’t have man living with her it was because she was ‘feckless and irresponsible’ to have had child out of wedlock. She refused to grasp that both women and men are sometimes parents on their own for numerous reasons. In her mind, a woman without a man was not complete.

She would also use very outdated terms for anyone of mixed race. Not quite, but bordering on offensive, and yet she was fiercely proud of not being British and extremely sensitive about anyone who said anything even slightly derogatory about her country.

speakout · 07/03/2023 18:35

SilverLiningPlaybook · 07/03/2023 18:16

Whats it all about do you think? So bizarre.

I think its because they are so entrenched in their place as the centre of their world, that they cannot imagine a scenario from another person's perspective.
So if my mother is talking about my late father she will refer to him as "my husband" rather than "your dad".

I was in my teens when my father became terminally ill and subsequent death-it was a distressing time, but throughout I was so aware that she seemed to have no understanding of my feelings- it was all about her "losing her husband" never acknowledging that I had also lost my dad.
So when friends and relatives came to visit, she would install herself as the grieving widow crying in the corner, barking orders at me to make tea, sandwiches and serve the guests.
We had no other family, and I remember crying in private in the kitchen feeling so overlooked as she was playing centre stage.

AliceMcK · 07/03/2023 18:59

speakout · 07/03/2023 17:49

Wow, my mother does this too.
She also refers to my late father as "her husband", I find that odd.

According to mine I came between her and HER husband and her and HER sons my entire life. You’d never know they were my Dad and brothers.

user1471538283 · 07/03/2023 19:31

My DM would have eyes of hatred and rage when she was jealous usually of me but anyone's happiness. And cats bum mouth. Usually with a dismissive word or action.

She was divorced from my DF for 20 years and still kept his name and called him in front of me "my husband", "when I was married" as if I was a stranger. Never "your dad". But then everything and everyone had to revolve around her. She would sit fuming day after day about the wrong done to her which was nothing. Just people leading their own lives.

She also constantly thought people were using her. When it was her using others.

Again these lot of DMs of ours thinking they are so special and they are all the same!

Shortbread49 · 07/03/2023 19:39

You have to see the funny side of it or it drives you mad mine is fond if the silent treatment when I was 19 I was ignored for 2 days because “how dare you make yourself a piece of toast” bonkers

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 07/03/2023 20:03

I was 17 when my dad died.
Like other DMs here, the funeral was all about her. She ‘fainted’ when the hearse arrived at the house and made a huge show of her grief despite the fact she was an absolute bitch to him when he was alive. Unfortunately, he was always very passive and compliant and only once stood up to her when she had me by my hair and he couldn’t ignore it anymore. He used to ask me “not to upset her because you know what your mum’s like” when really he should have been defending his child.

At the wake, several of her relatives came up to me and told me how much she needed my love support, now dad was gone. Like other posters on here, not one of them asked if I was ok.

After his death, dad acquired saint like status. There was no man that could match him and she even said, “I’m glad your father is dead as he would have been heartbroken to see how you’ve treated me”
Sad that he didn’t get the same adulation when he was alive.

speakout · 07/03/2023 20:22

After his death, dad acquired saint like status. There was no man that could match him.

Yes and ditto to that too! The man who talked me out of accepting an offer of studying medicine at university and taught me how to shoplift!

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 07/03/2023 20:31

speakout · 07/03/2023 20:22

After his death, dad acquired saint like status. There was no man that could match him.

Yes and ditto to that too! The man who talked me out of accepting an offer of studying medicine at university and taught me how to shoplift!

@speakout I’m truly sorry to read this. You didn’t deserve this dreadful treatment from both parents whatsoever. 😔💐

speakout · 07/03/2023 20:38

JohnPrescottsPyjamas thank you. None of us deserved this. But it helps being able to share our experiences here, be listened to, be understood and believed.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 07/03/2023 22:14

speakout · 07/03/2023 20:22

After his death, dad acquired saint like status. There was no man that could match him.

Yes and ditto to that too! The man who talked me out of accepting an offer of studying medicine at university and taught me how to shoplift!

My DM would have eyes of hatred and rage

My mother actually jumped up and down with excitement when she had upset me so much I left her house in tears. She stood by the door and jumped up and down with GLEE! How sick is that?

@speakout I really found your dad teaching you to shoplift funny, not sure why!
How sad you were talked out of doing a medical degree.
Very sad that you and @JohnPrescottsPyjamas have been made to suffer so much by such twisted women,
and your fathers didn’t protect you or stand up for you.

speakout · 08/03/2023 07:39

SilverLiningPlaybook thanks, I have just been playing over my teenage years in the shower this morning.
My elder sister emigrated at 16, leaving me, narc mother and terminally ill father.
I threw myself into school work, it was an escape,, and I ended up with really good exam results I was excited when I found I had done well enough to study medicine and was accepted to a University ( St Andrews in Scotland).
Although I came from a poor background- a council estate, in those days grants were available and funds for text books etc.
But the whole idea went down like a lead balloon.
I had accepted the place, and a course tutor phoned me over the summer-inviting me and my parent/s to visit, have I managed to find any text books, posted me reading lists etc.
But then the sabotague began.

Your sister abandoned me and now you!
How will I cope- just me and your father.
You always had a cruel heart.
Your Dad will die while you are gone.
No one will speak to you because you come from a council house.
You won't make any friends.
You will be very lonely.
The other students will laugh at you.
Our kind don't go to University.
You won't fit in.
You are setting yourself up for a big fall.

I had no one to support me, and looking back I was already struggling with anxiety and poor self esteem- which they had done to me, so I came round to their way of thinking, convinced myself they were trying to protect me. I was aiming too high, being unrealistic. Mypoor self image didn't have the balls to say "fuck it", so with a sad heart I phoned the University to tell them I wouldn't be coming.

I have worked through the bitterness-although it has taken many years.
I just now view my mother - and late father as not very grown up people. They just never turned into adults- and my mother is still playing the part of a truculent 6 year old.

I have made sure my own children had all they support they needed, to stand on my shoulders - and help keep their own dreams and wishes burning brightly and valued.

user1471538283 · 08/03/2023 07:47

@speakout - your DM would have hated it because you were and are special. She cannot take pride in your achievements.

My DM never took pride in mine. Like yours she was always so negative and it made me a nervous child.

I hated parenting her. She had life skills but refused to use them. I always wanted a mum, not even a good one. Just one that gave a shit occasionally.

My DM enjoyed others pain. She didn't jump up and down like @SilverLiningPlaybook because that is sociopathic. But she would grin and laugh. She often laughed after she had upset me.

I can't imagine treating a stranger the way our DMs treated us.

ItsRainingPens · 08/03/2023 08:19

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas

OMG, all of this: "He used to ask me “not to upset her because you know what your mum’s like” when really he should have been defending his child." "Unfortunately, he was always very passive and compliant"
"she was an absolute bitch to him"

Now, 30 years on, I really don't know how to feel about my father. He should have been defending me. I was a child. In many ways he was a victim too, but his failure to deal with the problem meant I grew up in an abusive household.

Shortbread49 · 08/03/2023 08:33

My mother also sabotaged my education as clearly I wasn’t allowed to do better then her. I got the best o levels in the school she was against me going to sixth form so I ignored her and went anyway she took no interest and never once set foot in the school (went to a different school for the sixth form). Took no interest in my a levels made it difficult for me to work at home then told I was not going to university as it was a stupid idea and if I went to study I a different city I could never come back home (she was clever never did any of this in front of my dad) so I stayed at home and went local and she was a complete nightmare plus they refused to pay their share of my grant (was before loans) so I dropped out and moved out to escape her. Wasn’t bothered I got “see I told you a degree was a waste of time” I have to now and a good job really pisses her off

girlswillbegirls · 08/03/2023 08:52

I'm very sorry @speakout and @Shortbread49 It's so unnatural not to encourage your own children to do well in life. It's completely unforgivable.

Everything posted for the past few days resonates with me. The referring of boyfriends as "he" or even "that one". The extreme rage in her eyes. The silent treatment and enjoyment of being hurt by it.

Yesterday my mother rang me and out of the blue said it was my own fault my sister does not speak to her in decades. I just lost it and said everything was in my mind about her.
I am used to greyrocking her but this time I just couldn't let go. I just told her about the psychological neglect when I was a child, her total disregard to anything happening to me. The nightmare of living with someone with those huge ups and downs, her rage and manipulation, being blamed for everything that did not make her happy from very early age until I left home and beyond. I went on a long rant of maybe 10 minutes non stop.
There was not purpose in that rant, I know she won't even understand what I am talking about, but it was a great release. I feel so calm today for some reason.
My dad was so lovely. He sent me a lovely short text message just afterwards.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 08/03/2023 09:16

Just such awful stories of abuse on here. My heart goes out to you all.
I haven’t spoken to my mother since November after she was verbally abusive. I just don’t know what to do. It upsets me as my siblings distance themselves ( they’re always on her side , not mine) and I feel completely out in the cold. I just don’t know how to manage the situation. She hasn’t apologised to me or tried to make amends as usual. Talking to her is pointless as she just thinks I’m paranoid . I don’t want family conflict as I have enough difficult situations going on at the moment. Usually I grey rock her but it’s exhausting and doesn’t solve much as it makes my mother more entrenched in her ideas that I am a sad loser with nothing going on in my life.

AliceMcK · 08/03/2023 09:46

So so many relatable stories, many bringing back memories I’d forgotten or repressed.

Everything being about her, even when DF was diagnosed with terminal cancer, it was about her. When he died dismissing his wishes to have some of his ashes put in with his mum, because well even in death she couldn’t have him around another woman that wasn’t her.

Putting other women down, o my god she thrived on this, you should see the self absorbed completely air brushed portraits of herself she had done of herself and plastered around the place. No pictures with DF, no pictures of her kids or grandchildren unless others were coming over. There were always digs about other women, especially women in my DFs life, me, his sisters, his nieces. I remember once I was 14 and trying a dress on I’d fallen in love with on the market, i came out of the changing cubicle and she started shouting at me asking if I was pregnant because I was due on and my belly was bloated. I was mortified, I’d never even kissed a boy properly. I’d been “fat” since I was 9yo and she let me stay with her parents for 2 weeks. She loved telling me how I’d doubled in size, this story has been told my entire life, even I’ve told it, I think I even wrote about it on here recently. It’s only now writing this I realise it probably wasn’t that bad, I was probably just going through puberty, I was in bras by 9yo as I’m big breasted, just like her, but unlike her I NEVER had a flat tummy! She used to phone me up and tell me how pretty my niece was, my niece looked like me, but apparently my niece was skinny. She couldn’t say I was ugly because everyone said I looked like her, unfortunately I know I do but I try my best, especially getting older to make sure I don’t look too much like her by wearing different style glasses, I made the mistake of cutting my long hair and I swear when I looked in the mirror she was looking back, so I’ve grown it out again and I try to dress a way she never would, I love nothing more than putting scruffy tracksuit bottoms and a hoodie on, no makeup and hair in a stuffy bun for the school run or supermarket shop because I know it would mortify her.

Dismissing or denying things she’d said something. I could spend hours writing examples, things were always in my head or I’d imagined them or taken something out of context. The queen of double edged meanings is my nick name (well one) for her.

I actually have nothing to do with my family because of her. I learnt a long time ago they are far happier when I’m not around because it makes their life easier they are not dealing with me around and the aggravation it causes when I don’t tow the party line, which is she can say and do what ever the fuck she wants, because, well that’s just the way she is. It’s really easy to ignore her when your not the target of all things nasty and cruel. I resigned myself, however sad that my good relationship with my DF was all me and wishful thinking, he was her biggest enabler, it was only when presented with his own mortality he realised he had enabled her too much, but then it was about him and his life not that he’d let her abuse me all my life. I can even reconcile to some extent that given his idea of abuse wasn’t phycological, he’d been beaten a lot as a child so to him if it wasn’t physical it wasnt abuse. Something I believe and defended for years too.

The saddest part is I really miss my extended family but still avoid family events in case her or my siblings, mainly one brother, her favourite, who have spent their whole lives slagging off our extended family are there. I know they get off on knowing I’m staying away because of them, they see it as a victory they are there and not me. The one thing I am grateful for is now my DF has gone there is less pressure from them when I do see them for me to put up with her. I was really scared after the last time I cut her off that my Aunts, my DFs sisters would be angry with me for going nc with her after DF died. One of my cousins told me her mum missed me and was upset I’d not been in touch so I bit the bullet and called her, she was nothing but supportive, she never said anything about my mother outright but it was clear she wanted me to do what was best for me and my family. Same with my other aunt who I know was closer to my mother. I now keep in touch mainly by phone more, but I still avoid going to see them because they live too close to my mother and brother and I don’t want any confrontation if I bump into them.

God I could write for hours, but just doing this has drained me.

So sad to hear so many horrible stories, but happy that so many are no longer putting up with their narcissistic mothers!

user1471538283 · 08/03/2023 12:42

@AliceMcK - it is draining. With my DM's family only my cousin understands. The others accepted her for her with her "ways". Sometimes they got it but not that often and not for long. It's very different when you have it day in, day out for decades. It is very hard for me to let go of the resentment towards her and some of her family because most of them did very little to defend or protect me from it. They wouldn't even help my DF when he begged them for help.

Yet she hated them all her life.

I am proud of us all and how we have coped. We shouldn't have had to but we did and we thrived.

WaggledMyAerialAndWolfedMyCustardCreams · 08/03/2023 13:13

Yes, so much here that is relatable. I notice how often the role of fathers is mentioned. I have a lingering feeling that mine could and should have intervened more, to stop her excesses, but then I suppose he too had been ground down.

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