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Horrific play date

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SapphosRock · 01/10/2020 09:24

I am mortified. DD is 5 and in year 1. She is quite highly strung and has the occasional meltdown but otherwise just a normal 5 year old.

Obviously there have been no play dates due to lockdown so this was her first proper one. A lovely little girl in her class bubble (let’s call her Lily) invited her over after school.

I arranged to collect DD after an hour as I know she can get overtired so thought this would be enough. Had a big talk with DD about manners, playing games Lily wants to play as well as her own (she struggles with this), being kind. DD can be sweet and charming and was confident the play date would go well.

Well, I’ve never been so embarrassed in my life. Lily’s dad was clearly very ready for DD to leave. Apparently they couldn’t agree on what game to play and she’d kicked Lily’s bookcase over. She was wearing one of Lily’s dresses and refused to take it off. She then refused to leave. Had a full on meltdown when i tried to help get the dress off, screamed, shouted, ran into Lily’s Dad’s bedroom, pulled his curtains and tried to get in his bed, shouting ‘no no no no’ the entire time and ‘worst play date ever’.

I would have physically carried her out but I had baby DS with me too so couldn’t carry them both. I asked if we could return the dress at school tomorrow to make a quicker exit but this made Lily cry so I had to get it off DD.

No exaggeration DD kept up the meltdown for over half an hour with Lily and her dad staring at us with shocked faces. I was apologising profusely and trying to calm
DD down enough to leave. In the end I had to leave DS with them, carry DD to the car with her kicking, screaming and clawing at my face, lock her in the car and go back to retrieve DS. It was hideous.

How should I have handled that? She’s lost her screen time for a week and no more play dates for the foreseeable. When she calmed down she said she didn’t know why she got so angry and she made Lily a card to say sorry (unprompted).

I don’t know how that could have been avoided? I made sure she had a snack after school before going to Lily’s so she wasn’t hungry. Other kids just don’t behave like that.

How can I make sure that never happens again?

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supersonicginandtonic · 01/10/2020 14:08

As soon as she started why didn't you go put your little one in the car and then go and drag her out? I would no way on earth have let that behaviour carry on, especially in somebody else's house. Going into somebody else's bedroom, that really isn't on at all.
My second eldest has ASD and ADHD and I wouldn't even let him behave like that for that long.

ChickensMightFly · 01/10/2020 14:08

I feel for her, her emotions were absolutely massive. It is very telling that once calm she wanted to write a sorry card without prompting and was baffled herself how she got so out of control.

Sounds like the playdate was a Massive Big Deal to her, when there is a lot riding on something emotionally it is so easy to get overwrought at that age.

Next time I would tempted to not bother with the Big Talk about manners and how to behave in a strangers house, she won't remember it all and it will just make things seem to be a huge deal, if she is used to good manners at home, all you need is a gentle don't forget your please and thank you's on the way in.

Also, would have stayed with her, at that age I definitely wouldn't leave for a first playdate, especially if you aren't familiar with the parents parenting style, what works for their child might escalate yours.

Also, she will have missed out for a significant period on all the usual little practices to such an event like brief interactions in playgrounds etc etc.

I would keep it light next time and accompany. A little chat about how emotions can get the better of us because you can see she wishes she hadn't behaved like she did, and next time mummy will be there is all you need. I would drop the punishments.

OhCaptain · 01/10/2020 14:09

@Woundedadmiral

Who are these people who drop their five year olds off unsupervised with unknown strangers?

Being another parent doesn't make them safe.

Who are the people who decide to plant themselves and their babies uninvited in other people’s homes?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

emptyshelvesagain · 01/10/2020 14:10

@Woundedadmiral

Oh fuck off. Both myself and DD are autistic and neither of us 'presented' like this.

Clearly uncalled for aggression has absolutely nothing to do with it. No parallels whatsoever...

I have parallels with many people. They are not all autistic.

OhCaptain · 01/10/2020 14:11

@SapphosRock if you’re still reading I don’t think you need to be bringing wine or flowers or big scraping apologies to their door.

It’s done. It’s not that big a deal.

TheVanguardSix · 01/10/2020 14:11

Oh you poor thing!
OP, my eldest is 18, my youngest is 6. I've had LOADS of kids kicking off and hiding all over the place when their parents come to collect... loads! I still have paint marks all over my floor from when DD's best friend threw acrylic paint in a fit. Part of me is flattered. Grin It was that much fun that you have to destroy my house while being dragged out of it? It must have been a good playdate, even though you're now saying it's terrible. Grin I've been there many times!
Please know that I've had the same kids back over and over and over and over again. DD's best friend throughout primary has always thrown Luxury Size Tantrums (bookcases are nothing! This girl can make a whole house spontaneously combust!). But I love her. When she's over, she has a brilliant time (she no longer tantrums as much. She's 10). DD adores her and they are best of friends. I never judge a child by their tantrums, ever. Kids get tired, overwhelmed, and they don't (especially at 5) have the coping skills to deal with the let-down of a long, exciting, exhausting day.

Maybe hold off on the play dates until your DD gets her sea legs on with regards to her long school day. All of my children found the leap to year 1 very hard. It's quite a jump from reception and their days are filled with more 'work' less 'learning through play' and a lot of structure. It can be very stressful for small children to hold it all together all day long. My 6-year-old is in year 2 and is loving it waaaay more than year 1, simply because I think the leap isn't very big. It's not 'too grown up' in the way year 1 was for him. We did NO play dates in year 1- maybe one or two. But it was a tough year and DS found it all tiring. He was quite frazzled by day's end.
I'm a big fan of starting regular play dates around age 7. Kids develop a lot between 5-7. It's quite a significant leap in maturity. So maybe keep the playdates to a minimum over winter/while DD gets used to being back at school, etc. Flowers

spiderlight · 01/10/2020 14:12

It happens, and as others have said, they were probably both overtired and it all spiralled a bit. Maybe something had happened at school that wound her up beforehand, even. I can think of at least two occasions when I've left other people's houses carrying a wailing child under my arm like a surfboard, and I've hosted some doozies of playdates here (the relief of not having to do them any more is immense - now I just get a houseful of stampeding teenagers who tower over me and are unfailingly lovely).

It's not the norm here for parents to go along to after-school playdates - I never did, even in Reception. The fact that she's made a card to say sorry is lovely though.

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LadySeaThing · 01/10/2020 14:31

Just to offer up the flip side to this @LadySeaThing*, I too think I’ve spent my whole life with undiagnosed autism, I have one child diagnosed and one on the waiting list.

A specialist HV told me that autism can actually present as anxiety, especially in girls and worsening in the teen years. It’s the pressure of struggling socially and masking at school and always feeling different from their peers.

This idea of not pursuing a diagnosis because someone’s struggles are “mild” and they can do a pretty good job of passing as NT is so pervasive. But a diagnosis doesn’t have to be a lifelong burden. It’s a path to self-understanding and self-acceptance. Oh, I’m not a rubbish human being, I’m just autistic! If I could get assessed tomorrow I would.

It saddens me that there’s still such negative beliefs around neurodiversity and getting formally diagnosed, that spending a life undiagnosed but struggling is considered better, because you don’t have that dreaded “label”.

Anyway, that’s not a criticism of you personally. You’re probably in the majority as a parent smile I just think that all autism deserves to be diagnosed, instead of brushing the “mild” cases under the carpet.*

Haworthia i think you misunderstand me a bit, though I take your views on board. I think the opposite to you - I don't think it's at all pervasive or common to avoid a diagnosis because it's mild. What I see is people informally diagnosing each others' kids all the time and many parents pushing and pushing for a diagnosis until they get one. That doesn't mean I don't think people should get a diagnosis if they have ASD and if it will help them - but I also think that the diagnosis itself can make coping more difficult (in some cases).

It's absolutely not about "You can pass as NT so don't get a diagnosis". I am not interested in passing as NT, nor "passing off" my kids as NT. But I do think the categories matter less than is often made out, in the mild/borderline situation. I do worry that it's almost no longer possible to just be shy, awkward, geeky, a bit of an oddball etc - you must have ASD.

That is not me running away from it - if it was clear that a diagnosis helped, I wouldn't try to avoid it. But I know that my DD would find it exteremely distressing and it would add to her anxiety. She hates any kind of special treatment or label - not because she wants to be "normal" NT as such because she hates being singled out and having special attention paid to her, having to be taken out of class for appointments, etc.

I also feel that many, many people, people who are NT or normal or whatever you call them, have social difficulties, anxieties and trouble managing emotions, and that "masking" is a normal activity for almost every human. We all have to learn to mask.

Again that doesn't mean she is or isn't NT, and yes of course anxiety can look like ASD and vice versa, and of course they're often both present. It means I have to balance what's right for her at the moment. I try to keep the lines of discussion open with my DC. We talk about ASD traits, people we know with ASD, and how we find various things difficult ourselves in that way. If or when either of them feel it's something they want to look into for themselves, I'll support them.

I have been different and "weird" my whole life in some ways - not just ASD ways. I've also learned many useful skills and coping methods and am quite successful. I am absolutely not negative about neurodiversity. But I am reluctant to be like so many people I know and pursue diagnoses exhaustively.

And I am a leetle bit tired of being told it presents differently in girls. I know.

CokeyCola · 01/10/2020 14:31

Eugh, have teens now, but I remember the playdate days.

Take advice, but ignore the judgement on here. If it's any consolation, playdates don't happen as they get older. Flowers

LongDivision · 01/10/2020 14:32

It happens to everyone sometimes (with and without SN), and not worth worrying too much about. I think what can make it worse is when you start to feel upset/anxious as well, as your child picks up on that. I also agree with others that she might be too young ti be left alone, although I understand that covid is making this very hard... Next few playdates might need to be at the park!

yetanothernamitynamechange · 01/10/2020 14:49

@supersonicginandtonic

As soon as she started why didn't you go put your little one in the car and then go and drag her out? I would no way on earth have let that behaviour carry on, especially in somebody else's house. Going into somebody else's bedroom, that really isn't on at all. My second eldest has ASD and ADHD and I wouldn't even let him behave like that for that long.
To be fair... that would have been the best thing tactically to do in hindsight but I think everyone has mishandled a situation at some point. If this is the first time the OP has had to deal with a massive screaming tantrum in someone elses house then she won't have known the optimum way of handling it automatically (and also had done better than me for her child to get to five before it happened).
problembottom · 01/10/2020 14:54

Oh god that sounds horrendous OP, I hope you realise by reading this thread that it happens tho. I've been in fits of laughter at some of the stories here. My DD is still a toddler but I remember taking my nephew on a playdate for my sister when he was five. He pulled a chair to the window facing out and sat there with his arms folded absolutely refusing to engage with this little boy who was desperate to play with him! Totally out of the blue as he was such a sociable boy normally. I had to take him home in the end.

Notverygrownup · 01/10/2020 15:31

Thevanguardsix - what a lovely parent/friend you are. I was blessed with a couple of friends who could see past a tantrum or over-exhuberant behaviour, to give my child another chance and was sooo grateful.

Squigglypig2 · 01/10/2020 15:46

I'm sure my (now 10) year old dd and many of her friends had similar embarrassing turns at play date pick ups at around that age. I think it's pretty normal if horrible behaviour to deal with - they're usually tired and they have an audience. My DD and her friends are much more reasonable now. Wait a few weeks and invite her friend back to yours, there's no harm done.

merrygoround51 · 01/10/2020 15:49

For some children 5 is just too young for play dates and your DD sounds in that bracket and also maybe a bit spoiled (sorry but it does really sound like that )
Also the friends father could have handled it better, we’ve all had tantruming kids and I would have thought that he could show some sympathy.

My DD went through a stage where a couple of play dates seemed to go badly for one reason or another and ended up with me having to get involved. I said no play dates until she learned to handle them and we had one false start but then we got into our stride

What you really don’t want us your DD doing this in a few houses so definitely hold back - no play dates at all for a while

Paddingtonthebear · 01/10/2020 16:15

We had a child round to play in reception year that did almost the same things. I don’t know what the answer is in how to deal with it but your child definitely isn’t the first. Strong words to your DD and an apology text to the girls parents? That’s what I would do.

Hailtomyteeth · 01/10/2020 16:30

@MarriedtoDaveGrohl

Autism doesn't start at age five, it's right there in the dna. It's not some naughty habit children develop. So fuck that. Love, an autistic person.

OP, I'm sorry the play date was a disaster. So sad for your daughter. Don't punish her. Love her and learn who she really is, so you can offer less stressful activities in future.

Greypurse · 01/10/2020 16:49

I know a Lily who sounds just like your DD and her mother refuses to believe her behaviour is anything other than ‘character’.

If it’s a one off, make amends and then relax, if not then perhaps get specialist advice rather than internet randoms.

I would say it is inappropriate behaviour, but you’ll know best if it’s naughty or down to more.

Good luck!

CharityDingle · 01/10/2020 17:49

[quote OhCaptain]@SapphosRock if you’re still reading I don’t think you need to be bringing wine or flowers or big scraping apologies to their door.

It’s done. It’s not that big a deal.[/quote]
Exactly. Leave it alone. You did your best, forget about it now. The more you do sometimes, the bigger a deal something becomes. As you can see, many posters have had similar experiences and come out the other side.

Have a Wine and relax.

Oblomov20 · 01/10/2020 17:56

I completely disagree with nearly everyone on this thread. The behaviour was so bad, that tiredness just doesn't cut it. Her behaviour is seriously not ok. And I think it's been appeased and justified and tamed down on this thread, when I actually feel it's totally unacceptable. Even ASD or ADHD doesn't justify it. And yes I am a SN parent, and have 3 friends with dc severe ADHD.

Rocknroller42 · 01/10/2020 18:04

@Oblomov20 so what do you suggest the OP does? Disown the child? Become a hermit so she never has to go outdoors and risk a public meltdown again?

It's bad behaviour no doubt but it's happened, op has punished the child and I suspect she's come here for advice and support. I'm not sure what your post is trying to achieve...

purplecup · 01/10/2020 18:05

My ds has a friend who at 5 years old did this at the end of every play date. He would strip off and scream and cry and hit his mother. She was mortified. He did it for a couple of years and now at 10 when he's collected he just gets up and leaves. He's not autistic I just think he was to young and didn't want to go home.

Doliv63 · 01/10/2020 18:06

People saying that you should have stayed is not the answer. Admittedly it’s a few years since my children were so young but I always thought that children were generally better behaved when their parents are not present.
I would just call the parents and apologise .

GrumpyHoonMain · 01/10/2020 18:11

My DN is a similar age and these kinds of meltdowns when he’s really, really frustrated. He doesn’t have SEN but he does have a really high IQ and boredom usually sets things off. Has she had her IQ tested recently?

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