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Parenting without punishment

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pinkliquorice · 02/11/2017 13:14

In general mumsnet seems quite punishment happy and this approach seems to be heavily criticised.
Just wanted to start a thread for other parents to share their tips and experiences with not punishing.

Anyone else against punishments?
Anyone wanting to try it?

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Anatidae · 03/11/2017 20:58

Well it may not be terribly gentle but I’d;

  1. Turn the telly off ‘right I can see the telly is distracting you from getting your clothes on and we need to go to school so I’m turning it off.’ Gently but firmly shove child into clothing while attempting to distract. ‘Maybe tomorrow if you can put your clothes on quickly we won’t have to turn it off.’
  1. No battles over food ever. It’s such an easy thing for them exert power over you with. Ds is a crap eater sometimes. We offer, ask him to try it ‘hey it might be tasty - you might find it’s great’ and we all sit to eat together if we can (not that often due to work hours but someone always sits with him,) if he doesn’t eat, he doesn’t eat.

That’s probably not how it’s officially done the gentle way ;) I dunno. No drama over food though, easier said than done I know,

Brokenbiscuit · 03/11/2017 21:00

I have never used rewards or punishments. DD (12) doesn't seem to need that kind of parenting.She has never been punished in school either - she is exceptionally well behaved and her teachers frequently say that they'd like to clone her or similar.

I don't know if it's cause or effect, really. If dd was less compliant, perhaps I would feel the need to punish her in some way. She never really does much that would warrant punishment tbh. However, my dsis and I were also brought up without any punishments or rewards, and neither of us really misbehaved either. For me, it's just normal to parent without rewards or punishments - it's all I know.

pinkliquorice · 03/11/2017 21:02

@MaisyPops

Regarding school I explain to my children that punishments are sometimes more useful and neccesary in school because the teacher has lots of children to deal with, the teacher dosnt have time to sit down and talk to each individual child who answers back or throws something, so they send them outside of the classroom so everyones learning isnt disrupted.

My children have not really ever been in serious trouble at school to the exent that they need proper punshments, a warning or a quick talking to has been enough.

If it got so serious and my child was so badly behaved that senior staff had to get involved which would mean them disrupting the teacher and every other childs learning as well as there own then i would remove them from school so i can deal with their behaviour, I dont think its fair to put that on the teachers.

My eldest who is now 22 started having behaviour problems at the end of year 6, turned out she was being bullied and was acting up in response, I took her out of school for the last term so she was removed from the bullies and so we could address her feelings and behaviour that resulted from the bullying, she went to a different senior school and had no issues.

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Naughty1205 · 03/11/2017 21:10

I have never punished dd who's 6.5 yrs. She's very sensitive also. I like the gentle discipline approach. Natural consequences. Time out and all that is horrible imo.

Frusso · 03/11/2017 21:12

@pink that’s what I thought.
But I’m confused, in the given scenario, why then you said you feeling upset and disappointed would be a natural consequence if you don’t express that you are upset and disappointed how would the child know that’s how you’d feel?

I’m not having a dig, but I cant get my head around how the child learns that you would be disappointed in their behaviour if you don’t at some point tell them you’d be disappointed in that behaviour. And if you don’t tell them that you’d be disappointed if they did something, how then would you being disappointed be a natural consequence, how would that link be made?

pipistrell · 03/11/2017 21:17

Well this is a thread about semantics isn’t it?

Reading your OP about natural —punishment—consequences I would say yes, I definitely do that.

DC are generally very “easy” and laid back and want to please. What sends DD off the deep end if she’s being naughty or had a tantrum is the idea that I’m cross or we’re not friends. She can’t cope with that at all and I quickly end up reassuring rather than punishing to calm her down.

If I used the naughty step or taking marbles out of a jar she’d be hysterical.

Natural consequences I use a lot are, you don’t get ready for bed nicely, you don’t get time for a story. You complain about having to put screens away, no screens the next day. You refuse to tidy your room, everything I pick up or “tidy” goes in a bin bag and gets put out of reach.

It all works because they are generally happy to comply. DC are all teachers pets in school too Grin

I’d say I’m strict. Very strict actually.

I have also occasionally lost it and shouted —and smacked— because I’m not perfect. We always talk afterwards though and I apologise. They usually apologise for being naughty too.

BertieBotts · 03/11/2017 21:39

Herbs I'll try if you want but as I said I don't think natural consequences work for every situation.

For refusing to get dressed - well actually, the natural consequence would be okay we need to go to school now in pyjamas/underwear/undressed, taking the clothes with you - and so the idea is that the child is cold or embarrassed and wants to get dressed. I admit I did used to let DS run out in the garden "just to see how cold it is" and he'd normally then decide it was a good idea to put clothes on - but he still gets annoyed and frustrated by having to wear clothes aged 9 - I think it's a bit of a sensory thing TBH - he'd be perfectly happy to wear pyjamas all day every day, and so actually I only ever buy him now short sleeved t-shirts, oversized baggy hoodies with the really soft inside layer, and then a combination of jogging bottoms, shorts, lined thermal trousers, baggy jeans, or very soft loose trousers with no pockets - and then he'll normally get dressed without an issue. Haven't found socks he likes yet, and shoe shopping makes me want to shoot myself, but the clothing we've finally cracked (only took nine years Grin)

Non punitive ideas would be:

  • Make it more fun to get dressed, make into a game, put on silly voices, "where are the toes?" etc. If he can dress himself try having a race.
  • Experiment with whether different types of clothing make a difference (possible sensory issue) or changing the order of the routine, possibly waking up earlier/later - whether it's better to get dressed first thing before he's really aware or later when he's had a chance to wake up.
  • Let him have more control e.g. choosing clothes, doing it himself - you may need to allow more time.
  • Positive reinforcement e.g. sticker chart (non punishing types are sometimes anti "generic reward" methods too, again, I've softened my view on these! But they can lose efficacy when used on too many issues at once or sporadically.)
  • Jig things around so that the TV isn't a given which can be withdrawn, but is a privilege conditional on him being dressed/ready in time. I suppose you could argue that this is punitive but I think it depends how it's worded/approached. "I'm going to turn the TV off if you don't get dressed" is quite different from "Come on then, let's get dressed, we might have time to watch Peppa if we're quick!" I found that scheduled programming was a lifesaver for timekeeping in the morning as it gave us a deadline he could understand to be done with dressing/eating plus it was a routine that when Peppa finished we turned off the TV and left the house, without whining for "one more episode" because there were no more. In a way, you could argue that having time/no time for something nice at the end of the morning routine is a natural consequence.

For not eating dinner, the natural consequence is of course to be hungry. I was quite vehemently against the idea of putting DS to bed hungry, and anyway from my experiences when I really couldn't get him to eat anything, I found he'd just wake up hungry. Additionally, I think at three they just don't get this - because at the time they are refusing food, they don't feel painfully hungry, so it just isn't a priority to them. This is the delayed gratification thing. Adults know that if we only have one chance to eat, we should eat even if we don't particularly feel like it, but three year olds live totally in the moment and can't imagine ever feeling another way.

Food issues/battles at this age are really common though. There is lots of great advice in the book My Child Won't Eat by Carlos Gonzales and I think he probably has more suggestions than I can come up with (it's been too long since I've read it to remember them all). But the first principle is not to worry too much over food/vegetables/vitamins etc, and the second one is to try really hard NOT to take food refusal personally. He's not having a go at you, he just has no concept at all of how much work has gone into cooking, plus he would prefer something different and/or to get down and not have to eat. Most children do become more adventurous about food as they get older.

But here are my non punitive (and non bribey!) ideas for food :)

  • Smaller portions overwhelm less. Put something on the side you know he likes. If he only eats the bit he likes, no big deal.
  • Try a serve-yourself kind of set up so he can choose parts of the meal he likes. He might get curious in a lower pressure environment.
  • Serve stuff you know he likes 90% of the time and only try something new occasionally.
  • Again - change of routine. He might be too tired to engage in dinner if you serve it too close to bedtime, he might not be hungry enough if you try too early. And even try mixing up the order of meals. Perhaps he'd be more receptive to trying new foods at lunchtime or snack time or even breakfast time. (Obviously, don't try at a time which is really difficult for you!) Then you can give him something easy and predictable for dinner, like a sandwich. Some cultures eat like this all the time. The (German) mums at DS's school were aghast at the idea of cooking in the evening!
  • If he's got into the habit of holding out for pudding just let him have pudding first or alongside. It takes the hierarchy of nice junk food vs healthy boring food out of the equation by just making the pudding part of the meal.
  • Get him to help you cook - this sometimes interests young children enough to try things.
  • In general take the fight out of the situation by not trying to persuade him to eat. Ellyn Satter's division of responsibility in feeding applies here: www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-feed/the-division-of-responsibility-in-feeding/
INeedToEat · 03/11/2017 21:56

I've never smacked, shouted, withheld things like WiFi codes or used time out with my kids(now both late teens) It doesn't mean I don't let them know when I think they are wrong or don't point out how their actions effect me, others or themselves though.

I use natural consequences when appropriate but like the OP also prefer to understand a behaviour rather than dishing out a consequence. I also think it's important to question why you are punishing a child. Is it just because that was what was done to you as a child ? Does it really matter ?

On a side note I'm also a social worker working in a home for teenagers with emotional and behavioural difficulties and as such we obviously have rules and regulations meaning most 'punishments' are not allowed. We do use positive reinforcement / and rewards for good behaviour but also use natural consequences for a fair amount of behaviour. We class this as (for example) ..
Adult disapproval
You got drunk now you have a hangover
You stole something and you got arrested
You spent your money on fags now you don't have enough money for the trainers you wanted
You didn't go to school you won't pass your exams

We talk to the kids about these natural consequences, treating them as individuals and with respect and not just leave them to wait for the natural consequences to occur.

Mamabear4180 · 04/11/2017 10:26

*What about saying 'no'. A lot of the positive gentle parenting seems to avoid using negative words.

I'm trying to formulate my view on this ready for when DD (currently 5 months) starts testing boundaries. I was brought up knowing that no meant no but I have friends who don't say no to their children. I think it's a useful word if used sparingly?*

This is where the gentle parenting 'rules' fall down for me. I think no is a perfectly legitimate word in some situations and it's clear and concise which is what toddlers (especially) need to hear sometimes. Long winded explanations are pointless in the under 3's and it makes parent's appear weak and wishy washy, like they don't have the authority to just say no. I do think it can be used sparingly but to actually ban a word out of fear to some kind of odd psychological damage you might be doing to your child seems incredibly short sighted to me. It also seems unnatural to be afraid of the no word.

In my earlier post I would add gentle parenting to the list of 'methodology' used by parents which I don't think of as healthy in a normal relationship, it's the same with anything else too. If you are following someone else's rules to the letter then you can't be following your own. Parenting by instinct and compassion is imo the best way, regardless what that means to individual parents or whether others agree. You shouldn't formulate anything, just act naturally. There's nothing wrong with using these things for reference but every parent and child is an individual. Going against your own instinct and becoming something you're not will not do your kids any favours and they will see right through it when the frustration comes out elsewhere! Kids are incredibly forgiving, you get a new start with them everyday. Don't sweat the small stuff as my dad would say!

pipistrell · 04/11/2017 10:53

Oh I say no all the time.

In a shop: Mummy can I have that? No

No is no round here.

grasspigeons · 04/11/2017 10:58

Mama bear - i'm not sure gentle parenting says never use 'no' I consider myself to be positive/gentle and still use no.

It's just can be more effective to say or do something else

I suggest try it out. You've not lost anything by spending a day trying out more positive approaches (eg 'walk' instead of 'don't run' or 'Stop! kind hands please' instead of 'no, don't hit' or 'gently' instead of 'don't be so rough')

They don't have to be long winded accounts of why you are so sad about their choice. Just a clear instruction of the behaviour you want rather than a instruction of what you don't want. (kind hands to me is clearer than don't hit, a very literal child I sat for would then pinch, or punch if I said don't hit)

To me it's telling them how to get it right rather than punishing them for getting it wrong.

If you try it and find it doesn't work you can find something that suits you better . I just found behaviour improved massively when I took this approach.

BeyondThePage · 04/11/2017 11:02

I find that gentler parenting when the kids were younger has stood me in good stead for teenagers.

I know a lot of parents who used NO to finish an argument with toddlers and are coming unstuck before my eyes now we all have teens.

teenagers who think for themselves have many many counters to NO! Starting with "Why?", "What's the reason I can't stay out longer? I'll get the bus, you don't need to do anything, so why?", "I'm 17 now, why on earth can't I stay over at my boyfriend's house on a weekend, it's not a school night?".

My real feeling is simply "because I don't want you to" - which I recognise is about moving from parent of a child to parent of an adult.

So we very, very rarely use no as a complete sentence here - you need to get in with the reasoning before they get a chance to close you down (sometimes with very sensible reasoned arguments darn 'em! Grin )

m0therofdragons · 04/11/2017 11:54

So if the child starts a fire the natural consequence is the house burns down. If dc stab daddy then the natural consequence is daddy dies. Is that it?

The natural consequence of your dc biting mine and you not bothering to intervene is me losing my shit.

Excellent, I think I get it.

pinkliquorice · 04/11/2017 11:56

@Frusso

I wouldnt say I rely on natural consequences, I just mentioned that in response to a previous poster who said I dont punish but my children have consequences, my children soemtimes have consequences to but sometimes theese consequences dont happen or are not obvious, I dont force them.
I would talk to them about why their behaviour is incorrect and help them to change it, I guess as they get older they naturally understand that bad behaviour will make others disapointed or upset.
But with little ones, not they dont understand that consequence and Its not neccesary to force them to understand that consequence.
I dont rely on my children thinking I'm upset or disapointed at all, I never want them to feel like that.

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pinkliquorice · 04/11/2017 12:02

@m0therofdragons

Nope.
You intervene, you stop the fire, the stabbing and the biting, removing them from the situation if it is unsafe and then you teach your children why that behavior is wrong.
If your child is starting fires, stabbing or biting people there is a serious issue. Turning of the wifi or sending them to bed early is never going to achive anything, if anything it is going to worsen their resentful and violent behaviours.
I would be taking them to doctors or phsycologists because that is extremely worrying.
Personally my parenting is based on intervening, correcting and explaining and not punishing. It works, none of my children have ever started any fires, stabbed anyone or biten anyone.

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Brokenbiscuit · 04/11/2017 12:10

I certainly say no to my dd, but I explain why the answer is no, and I'm open to debate and discussion.

Funnily enough, my dd said quite randomly the other day that she's happy to accept my decision that she can't have snapchat, which she had asked for, because she knows that I'm reasonable and will only say no if I have a good reason to do so.

BertieBotts · 04/11/2017 12:18

The idea of not saying no/avoiding negative phrases is simply a psychology trick.

When you say "No" or "Stop that" the child has to immediately work out what it is that they are doing wrong - they don't necessarily know. It comes with an assumption that the child knows that their behaviour is wrong and are acting maliciously/being intentionally naughty. One of the principles of gentle parenting is to assume positive intent.

So it's better to be descriptive. "Stop running" or "Do not hit your sister" "Don't touch the video recorder" - the problem of course here is that by the time you've got to the end of that sentence, the child has already done whatever it is you didn't want them to do!

So there is a kind of double trick in turning it round to a positive. First, by eliminating "don't" or "stop" you immediately shorten the phrase. Then you've got that old saying about "Don't think about an elephant" - as soon as you've said what you want them NOT to do, the thought is in their head whether they were about to do that or not! Lastly, when you ask them to stop or abandon an action in progress, the problem is that young children are extremely impulsive and their impulses can be very strong. It's very difficult for them to simply stop what they are doing and do nothing instead. Have you ever seen a three year old doing nothing? So think about it - when you tell them to stop, you're actually expecting them either to do something very difficult (replace a very attractive action with nothing at all, which is the most unattractive thing in the world to the point of being impossible for many children) OR to work out, in a split second, what the appropriate behaviour is for that situation, and then do it, even if it's something they don't want to do. This is practically rocket science. SOME children can do it, in predictable situations, when they do happen to know exactly what you want and they are winding you up on purpose, but in most cases, simply reminding them of what you do want, or providing a far more attractive alternative (this is like dog training Grin) works much better to get them to cooperate.

So you can be short:
Walk
Be kind
Leave it alone

Or fun:
Let's be bunnies and hop! On this side of me.
Hey quick, I need two helpers! Sam, I need some paper. Amy, I need a red pen.
Look! What's this over here?

Or make suggestions:
I need you to walk on this side of me, or sit in the buggy.
These are Sam's bricks, these are Amy's bricks. Let's move a little bit so you both have space.
Come and press these buttons. You might break that.

Or even turn it around to them:
Wait! We're in the library. How do we move in the library?
Amy, what's happening? What's the problem?
What goes in the video recorder? Yes videos. Not toast. Where does toast go? On the plate or in the bin.

Depending on your child's personality, age, your current mood, etc. It takes a bit of practice at first but it does become second nature - it's quite surprising. It's also useful to teach a generic freeze/wait/stop which you can then use in emergencies.

As for "no" as an answer to a question, it's a different topic. Some people see this as a totally separate thing to an "instructive no" and some people try to avoid this as well. If you choose to avoid or minimise its use as an answer to a question, then it's usually because you think that you should do more for/with your children or trust children more with their own decisions, so it's supposed to counter that situation of DC pestering you for attention and you go "No, no, no" all the time because you're tired or bored or lazy, or children asking for things that you think will be a hassle (like that craft kit you're dreading) whereas you could actually manage it if you spent more than a second thinking about it, and it's supposed to make you think about what you're saying no to and decide if it's really reasonable or not. I believe this is from a book called Taking Children Seriously. Another facet of it is just avoiding arguments, because toddlers will often melt down when presented with a straight No, and if you can get to the same conclusion (not having what you don't want them to have) without a tantrum, why not? So again there are some psychological tricks you can use which help avoid toddler meltdowns when faced with a no. It's been a while so the only one I can remember is the delayed yes - when you say Yes, we can go to the park tomorrow. Right now we need to eat dinner, have a bath and go to bed. Probably you'd also use statements which avoid just being a direct no, like reasoning/offering an alternative: I can't get you ice cream at the moment, but you can have a banana. Hey if we freeze it for an hour, it will be like banana ice cream! Hmm, I don't think that's a good idea, because it would upset the rabbit. What about feeding it a carrot? Or make a deal - I'll play Sonic with you if you can finish your homework and clean your room before 5. Otherwise, we don't have time. Etc. Yes there is some argument that it "doesn't prepare children for the world" but I do think there's a difference between indulging children and saying yes to everything whatever, and carefully considering their request/wording the rejection in a way which is less likely to set them off. It doesn't really matter overly that other adults won't carefully word their Nos in the same way because the main person they are looking to for acceptance is the parent anyway, and most children will be more wary of kicking off in front of an adult they know less well. I know everyone has encountered a child who melts down at every no, but I don't think that's necessarily indicative that they've been parented like this. More likely they just have a permissive parent who gives them everything that they want, or the parent says no too, and they melt down at them as well!

BertieBotts · 04/11/2017 12:22

Ooh forgot to add - I think some gentle parenting proponents do think of the avoiding no thing as not being overly negative, whereas to me this is simply a bonus, it's not the main point of the exercise. The main point is to be clearer and as a consequence gain more cooperation. The fact that you spend your life saying things like "Come and play with me!" or "Let's go this way" or "How can we solve this?" rather than "No!!" "Stop it!!" "Leave her ALONE!" "Don't do this, don't do that!" 100 times a day is a lovely bonus.

BeyondThePage · 04/11/2017 12:28

BertieBotts exactly!

Queenofthedrivensnow · 04/11/2017 12:32

I think all this is context really. Dd1 has been sent to her room about 4 tiles Tver and she is 8. That was all the threat I ever needed with her she is mostly very good, calm and kind. I am
Very lucky. Dd2 is very good now she’s 5 but 2-4 I needed a constant threat on the go (put your shoes on we have to fetch dd1 or I will take away james party) I rarely had to go through with the threat but it was the only thing I had to stop us being late to fetch dd1 from school.

I have never done naughty step it’s not to my liking but also I’ve been lucky enough not to need that type of method.

I have been pretty strict from the outset with my children and expect them to behave nicely and be respectful to other people. I’ve never had any big problems and they have never broken anything or hurt each other. I am very lucky but not stuck up and superior about it.

I did have a friend who was allergic to the word no with her ds. She was very anti any kind of discipline and her child was so vile we stopped socialising with them when he attacked dd1.

Mamabear4180 · 04/11/2017 12:42

Bertie wow that's such a long explanation it would be rude to ignore it!

What you're talking about is positive parenting which I think is great and very worthwhile! What I'm talking about is not taking 'rules' so seriously and saying 'never will I say no' which just makes one seem like an extremist and is a bit of a difficult/impossible standard for most and can get in the way of just acting naturally which was my point I suppose. There's nothing wrong with any of these parenting approaches except when people go against their own instinct imo.

I disagree with with one thing though, I don't think there is an assumption on the child at all. No is a parents way of making a boundary, it doesn't have to be about blame. It's 'negative' maybe but it depends what comes next. I could counteract all those examples with others where using no could work and could still be positive but I won't get on my high horse because I agree with you anyway so it would be goady, I just think it's not what you say so much as how you say it. You could say 'I love you' aggressively to a child and they won't hear the words! It's about the overall manner and tone and parents and children themselves! No methodology is better than a parent's own as long as they are tuned into themselves and their kids imo.

buckeejit · 04/11/2017 13:05

If you don’t punish bad behaviour though, surely by the same ideal you wouldn’t reward good behaviour. Dd was particularly kind to a new girl in tae Kwon do class & I was very proud of her behaviour. If you don’t want them to know you’re disappointed in them, then you wouldn’t want them to know you’re delighted in their behaviour? It seems a bit sad

karmakameleon · 04/11/2017 13:13

But why couldn't you praise good behaviour? Most people who favour this type of parenting on this thread have said that they'd discuss poor behaviour, why we shouldn't do it and express disappointment so why wouldn't the inverse be true?

BertieBotts · 04/11/2017 13:20

Yes, I agree that sometimes people latch on to a particular part of a philosophy and go "Right I will never say no" which ignores the whole reasoning behind everything and takes it out of context, and then it doesn't work as intended, and the parent creates a whole load more work for themselves or extra problems which would never have existed before.

I also think that like myself some parents find it difficult or painful to create conflict or uphold boundaries with their LOs and so they see something like "You don't need to punish" or "It's possible to never say no!" and run with it, without really looking into the explanation behind those concepts.

Sorry, I know I end up getting very wordy on this topic. I believe that it is actually highly complex to explain and this is why it's not as simple as a small soundbite, like 1, 2, 3, Magic, or the naughty step technique, or pasta jar method or whatever it is. But in practice when you understand the theory, it's not complicated at all. It's just that it means undoing a lot of what we think we already know about child discipline methods.

If you say no to a child, then I think there is an assumption there, it doesn't have to be assuming that they are terrible (perhaps malicious was too strong a word to use!), but when you say no, you ARE making an assumption that they will understand what exactly the no is for. As an adult, to you, it's completely obvious that the no is about the face grabbing or making an annoying noise or running towards a forbidden object, but to a child who is literally just learning to navigate the world, perhaps a baby, they don't know how to differentiate between a normal action like walking, having their hands in their pockets, exploring things, looking at the sky, humming to themselves, and something we disapprove of like causing pain or damage to something. They might struggle to see the difference between grabbing a person's face and grabbing a toy. Of course, they work it out eventually, so it's not really a big problem.

However this is mostly moot because I do think most parents who use no regularly do back this up with removing access to the thing, explaining, offering alternatives etc. It's not like there is a sharp divide with some parents being Trunchbull and others being Miss Honey Grin and I think some "gentle parenting" sites can give this impression and it's so unnecessarily divisive. I cannot tell you, looking back, how much useful advice I discounted because I felt like I was in a "gentle parenting bubble" and must reject all "traditional discipline" based advice. Noooo. This is such an unhelpful mindset. Sure, there are parts where gentle/positive/attachment parenting will contradict assumptions which are part of other parenting theories, but to make it all about the contradictions all the time is really quite harmful.

You're right that much of what I explained also comes under the heading of positive parenting - there is a lot of overlap, and even a good measure of overlap with "standard parenting" - whatever on earth that might be. I think my point is that what I think of as gentle parenting isn't anything particularly special, superior or difficult. Anybody can take parts of it which they consider useful and reject parts they think are nonsense. It's not an all or nothing thing. I do think it's useful though to follow advice down to a root rather than just taking the surface level thing of "You should smack them" or "You should never say no" - none of it's going to work if you don't understand why you're doing it.

Cloudhopping · 04/11/2017 13:25

I would say that when my dd's were toddlers, I was more the 'gentle parent'. Generally they are good children but now they are 9 and 11, I find that they can run rings around me in some ways and I think it's because of my early parenting approach. However much I try and be reasonable and parent positively, my eldest will not help out around the house or tidy her room. I end up losing my shit, shouting and then feel dreadful as this is not really me

What would a positive parenting approach be for tackling this-or should I just let it go and put it down to a natural stage in her development? She's doing really well at school, has lots of friends etc so is otherwise great.

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