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they taking her away-please help

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Nikaleeona · 07/01/2007 23:59

DD is 21 months, was rushed to a specialist hospital 120 miles away from home as it was discovered she had a bleed on the brain. she has totally recovered n is back to normal but child protection n social services are involved and are putting her into foster care 2mora as they say she is at risk living with us. They are also planning on taking out baby away when it is born as they are accusing me n DP of throwing her around n abusing her. All we know is she fell off the sofa n found her on the floor unconcious when i was at wrk n DP looking after her. They have no evisence of us doing anything and we havent done anything to hurt her, we dont even tap her hand or anything. Its ridiclous, im in such a state. She is my world n they taking her away for no reason. Any advice or anyone else been in similar condition?
Many thanks x

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MamaMaiasaura · 08/01/2007 00:25

Hadnt read other thread till now. A ladder falling on her is quite significant if it hit her head. Did you take her for medical treatment following this? I can see you called, this should be logged on her notes.

NurseyJo · 08/01/2007 00:27

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MamaMaiasaura · 08/01/2007 00:27

EPO can be got same day in my experience. Might have changed tho

MamazonAKAfatty · 08/01/2007 00:28

if they have asked you to sign papers then they do not have an EPO and you can of course refuse to sign.

they wouldn't be sacked for telling you your child may be put on the at risk regsiter which could also mean having your baby taken.

I do think you need to find a solicitor and start telling the whole story. hidig things just makes you look more guilty. it also means that t he Dr's do not have a full history and cannot give proper treatment.

If you had sought medical advice in teh begining this could have been avoided.

Saturn74 · 08/01/2007 00:28

You commented on the other thread that your DD "seems a bit cautious around my cousin".
Have there been other incidents when your cousin was looking after your DD?

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MamazonAKAfatty · 08/01/2007 00:29

and EPO cans till be got the same day if we can prove that the child is in immediate danger.
a case like this where the child is in hospiytal they wouldn't take the fast trak route as the baby is safe in teh hospital.

MamaMaiasaura · 08/01/2007 00:30

they would if the child is fit for discharge.

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Greensleeves · 08/01/2007 00:33

SS are well known for their "bull in a china shop approach". I've met a fair few of them and they weren't the brightest stars in the firmament. I wouldn't like to think of them making life-altering decisions about my children.

I agree with Aloha that you need immediate legal advice. If SS have asked you to sign papers, don't until you have had decent advice. Re: the ladder incident - get anything you can down in writing - date, times, anything you remember. Call NHS Direct and ask if they have a record of your call and get them to send you a written record if possible.

Anything that passes between you and SS/the hospital/solicitors/GPs from now on - insist on everything being noted in writing and keep your own records. Whatever social workers may tell you, SS are a notorious blunt instrument and they do make regular arse-ups.

MamazonAKAfatty · 08/01/2007 00:33

she is still in hospital isn't she?

i think you need to sit down and realy think about your situation and be honest with yourself Nikaleena.

toddlers fal over all the time, very few of them develop bleeds. even fewerr result in care proceedings.

both incidents happened whilst she was out of your care, are you certain that your cousin and [artner may not h ave been a little heavyhanded or simply not giving the full story? they may feel guilty for not watching her properly.

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MamaMaiasaura · 08/01/2007 00:34

Agree with Greeny (hi btw x )

MamazonAKAfatty · 08/01/2007 00:35
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Nikaleeona · 08/01/2007 00:36

Been with with Dp for 9 months now. I dont leave dd with anyone so yea i trust him. No reference number for nhs direct.

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hunkermunker · 08/01/2007 00:37

You've got the date of the thread from the ladder incident.

How is your DP around your DD? More importantly, how is she around him?

MamaMaiasaura · 08/01/2007 00:38

fatty - that might be exactly what ss view are.. it could also be the wrong view. Thing is ss will have risk assessed and quite rightly so, if they asses the child to be at risk of harm or has been harmed they have a duty to act. Thing is tho there are times when it is simply bad luck or miscommunication.

I can understand ss concerns from what has been posted but it doesnt mean that nika's dd has been deliberately harmed or s at risk of that iyswim.

MamazonAKAfatty · 08/01/2007 00:39

but you left her with your cousin too and she was hurt then as well.

if you called NHS direct then that call will have been logged and your gp informed (if they took your details) so that it can go on your notes.

I am sorry to say this but i can understand (from the info i have) why the ss would be concerned

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Nikaleeona · 08/01/2007 00:40

They said if i dont sign the papers they take me to court n get it that way but if they do that i loose all rights as a mum

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controlfreaky2 · 08/01/2007 00:40

you need legal advice from specialist family solicitor.... urgently.
ssd cannot remove your dd to foster carers without either your consent (which it sounds as though they are asking for) or a court order.... either an emergency protection order or an interim care order. the police ahve power to make an order for 72 hours (police protection order) to prevent her being removed from hospital or other emergenct sitution. they could get that or an epo without you necessarily being given notice but this shouldnt happen in your circs....
if the injury happened some time ago there has surely been feedback from hospital / ssd / police involvement as to their thinking and discussion of why they consider injuries are non accidental / why dd / unborn baby are at risk?? this would be usual practice.
work in field of child protection and am sorry to say this but you need to give careful thought as to whether dd could have been injured by your dp (given that you weren't there when it happened). as someone else posted research shows children do not sustain serious head injury (which this is) / subdural bleeds unless subjected to excessive force.... rta for instance or fall from significant height.
also re ladder incident medical view is that accidental bruidsing to childrens face will almost always be on bony parts, namely those that stick out.... as parents of toddlers who fall know.... foreheads / cheekbones etc.... not black eyes. that is classic non accidental injury. who was caring for dd when this injury occurred?? (forgive me but havent read whole of other thread).
not saying this "proves" anything. ssd may have no proper reasons for their concerns but you need to get urgent advice and to think about some difficult things.
good luck. let is know what happens.

Greensleeves · 08/01/2007 00:41

You need to speak to a solicitor Nikaleeona.

lornaloo · 08/01/2007 00:42

Are you not at all suspicious of your cousin and dp?

Saturn74 · 08/01/2007 00:42

Nikaleeona, you need expert help from a professional.

MamazonAKAfatty · 08/01/2007 00:43

That's what i mean Awen. she may not have been deliberatly harmed, it could well have been a genuine accident but through fear the story was altered as to what happened.

the Dr's hear the explanation given and as it doesn't add up with what they can see medically it must mean someone is lying.

as i say, be brutally honest and give as much info as you can.

MamaMaiasaura · 08/01/2007 00:53

Try and locate contact details if family solocitors you can contact in teh morning for urgent advice. You should be entitled to legal aid (not 100% sure). There are some really good posts on here. Worth reading and although painful really thinking about wether she has been deliberately harmed when not in your care. From your job in a nursery I am sure you know that it far more common than we like to think. So sorry for this horrid situation and esp for you little one being in hospital.

Can you partner stay elsewhere for a while and you provide 100% care for dd? Reading your other posts I can see that your engaged so obv heartbreaking ot even consider that he may have been a bit rough with dd. IT may be that he wasnt but you really need to consider dd first and foremost.

xx