Asylum seekers and immigrants.

[doormat]

Carrying on from benefits-unfit parents thread.

Any views on this subject anyone????

Being of ethnic origins myself (but born and bred here) all I would like to say is that it's great that 99.9% of people who posted on here have positive views on the subject.

Re the job adverts, I always find this sort of thing uncomfortable and that is soley because there are people out there who will assume that ethnic minorites are jumping up and down demanding that these jobs are only advertised for them, rather than them having been created for reasons mentioned in earlier posts.

When that ridiculous story about banning the Union Jack for the Golden Jubilee came out, the reactions on another parenting website were outrageous and the posters implied that ethnic minorities had made such a stink that the flags were banned, when really if the story had been true, they would have been banned out of a warped sense of politcal correctness. Needless to say, I no longer visit that site.

Anyway, will stop rambling now, but will mention lastly that I am lucky enough have friends and experiences from many cultures and have a beautiful mixed race son. So there

I have avoided posting on this thread as I feel embarrassed to admit that I don?t know enough facts about this one to be able to have an informed and reasonable opinion about it.
After reading this thread I feel much more informed - thanks to those of you who have given your time to explain a lot of relevant issues.

I feel that posters are making assumptions about me that is not true. I have never read the Mail/Express in my life. I read the Mirror.I like celeb gossip.So my opinions do not originate from reading rags. My opinions come from life experiences.I have been an "immigrant" and faced racial abuse so I know how unacceptable it is.Racists sicken me.It is intolerable.
pie your post re homeless and benefits was as usual excellent, but the reality is that it does not work like that.There are alot of homeless men and teenagers in this country.They do not get the chance to knock back any form of housing, decent or not.This is a fact.Govt policy is not always adhered to as you know.Have any of you actually spent time with the homeless. If you did you know where I am coming from.
I would never allow any human being to suffer oppressive or threatening living conditions.As for Iraq my best friend has just done a tour of duty for the last 6 months in Basra and surrounding areas in the south.What she told me shocked me, all I can say is dont believe everything you read.That should be another thread.
As for this trend of I am half this, that and the other, I find this disgusting. It does not matter what you are, we are still all british citizens.I never realised that to be british we all had to be a certain decent. This is utter rubbish.I feel that some of you are trying to put words into our mouths that do not exist and calling us rascists because we have different opinions. Some of you are being totally unfair and not reading the posts properly.The british empire is built on the strength of alot of nations. this is what makes us unique.
I still stand by my argument that the govt should sort its own out first and until the govt does I always will.

Doormat, my parents were homeless when they had me. When I was 21 I was homeless for 6 months. I know what it feels like to fight tooth and nail to get somewhere to live. So please don't assume that I have no idea, just as you have asked me to assume nothing about you.

Of course govt policy doesn't always work, infact if it did then there wouldn't be so many empty properties, as this is what is causing the housing shortage, not asylum seekers. And that was the only point I was trying to make as it seemed from certain posts that asylum seekers were being blamed for all the hardship British Citizens were facing.

And I think that the only point people of mixed decent were trying to make is that immigrants and asylum seekers were not some sort of bogey man, a them and us mentality if you will. But that you dig a little deeper and millions will be or have been where the people in this thread are putting secondary to those already living here.

This probably isn't the place to get into this but the British Empire buitl on the strength of alot of nations?? I think it was built on the exploitation and oppression of millions of people who had no choice as to whether they contributed to the all consuming Empire.

Actually I have just re read this thread, and I don't think that all anyone has asked is why shouldn't genuine asylum seekers get the same treatment as British Citzens (actually that should be Subjects).

Beetroot, I understand that you think that genuine asylum seekers should be given help as you said this "the genuine needy ones yes welcome them but the others can bugger off". If that is the case then would you want to see the genuine seekers make homeless and be given nothing to live off because of a govt 'Put Brits First' policy?

I don't think anyone here is arguing that fradulant claimers, whether Citizens, aslyum seekers or immigrants should get a fair deal. Fraud is fraud.

But how do you explain your term 'welcome' in the context of putting Brits first? Does it mean letting them through the borders so they are not being tortured, but then leaving them on the streets? I'm asking as I genuinely don't understand how you would reconcile these two views.

Opps my bad, I meant Doormat not beetroot, in my last post!!! Apologies for confusion.

Pie, it wasn't only the British Empire... the French, Germans and Portuguese had a huge hand in it too... We seem to have got to a point where anyone who is white & English has to feel so guilty for the sins of our forefathers that we are in danger of losing our own culture. Does anyone know what English culture is these days? No, because it's disappearing in a tide of PC. We have to be British, not English, and multicultural.

It's funny how people think it's OK for certain ethnic minorities to live together in one particular area, but as soon as someone says that actually they'd like to remain an all-white area it's considered racist. Why? Why can't it work both ways?

I have no objection to anyone coming to this country who is going to work & contribute to the economy, wherever they started out, & whoever they are. However, once you get people with a completely alien "culture" trying to impose that on the host country, you get trouble. All these countries with human rights problems are those who also treat women as second class citizens. They come here and expect to do the same. Their women cover up completely & are expected to act modestly. They see our women in skimpy clothes & think they are easy... I have been leered at by a bunch of Eastern Europeans & it was really uncomfortable... I'd expect it if I was a young dolly-bird but I'm a fat & frumpy 40 year old!

The rest of you are entitled to your opinions, but so are those of us who aren't happy with the situation. Leaving in Kent at the "sharp end" gives you a different perspective than a leafy village in Surrey.

That of course should be living.. not leaving. Leaving is what I'd like to do.

tallulah, my comment about the British Empire was in response to Doormat's comment: "The british empire is built on the strength of alot of nations. this is what makes us unique."

Of course I'm not debating that Britian was the only contry to build such an Empire. But Doormat was using the present tense and I find it hard to understand (1) that anyone thought there still was an Empire (2) and to be be proud of the way it was built?

I agree that people shouldn't feel guilty for the acts of previous generations. I certainly don't understand why people still hold the current German generation responsible for the Nazis, but this is different, in my opinion, to showing pride in the oppression of others for the furtherment of your own personal gain, whether this oppression happened last week or last century.

You also wrote: "It's funny how people think it's OK for certain ethnic minorities to live together in one particular area, but as soon as someone says that actually they'd like to remain an all-white area it's considered racist. Why? Why can't it work both ways?"

No one would argue that a person can live in any commnunity that they like, but I would hope that would not extend to the exclusion of others. There are websites dedicated to stopping asylum seekers moving to certain areas. But as of yet I haven't seen any dedicated to stopping White people moving to say Brick Lane. If anyone knows of such a campaign then I stand corrected.

pie I was not accusing you personally, as I said you put in an excellent post. Apologies if this seems directed at you, it sincerely wasnt.
No I would not like people to come here and live on the streets. This is exactly the point I am trying to make. There are homeless in this country.Sort them out first. We pay our taxes.Through work and vat.
Tallulahs last two paragraphs are excellent.Couldnt of put it better.

Oh my god! tallulah i have never heard such bull in my life! you do know that there's people born and bred who follow the same religion as those 'covered up' women! im appauled by some of the comments on this thread and i think everyone is entitled to their opinion but some of you seem really messed up because you think its okay to send innocent people back to countries where they are tortured, raped and killed for their beliefs! where they watch their children die because they can't get a piece of bread or a vaccination which we get for free and don't even tell me about the homeless! look after our own?! well having worked with the homeless and found that most of them were homeless by choice that is not even a valid argument! You talk about asylum seekers and being black and born and bred in 'britain' i didn't have a choice in whether my ancestors came here or not but i still get the 'oit..go back to your own country' comment and i wish to god i could, just give me the cash and im there! then i wouldn't have to listen to some of the ignorant opinions of the british people who brought me here! im sorry if i've got anyones back up but to tell the truth i really couldn't give a damn because genuine or bogus seekers are the ones who clean your public toilets, sweep your roads and cook your fast food which are jobs your 'homeless' or 'born and bred' think are too good for them!

But why do some people, esp. Eastern Europeans, go to such extremes to get in to Britain? Especially when they have to cross half of prosperous mainland Europe to do so? Why not stop elsewhere? Why would any sane person try to cross the English Channel in a child's rubber dingy? I know the English language is a big draw, but can it justify days spent in back of a sealed lorry container?

-Z (A cultural Refugee from the USA).

Zebra good point, if refugees were that scared why not settle in the first safe country???
jojo I live in Liverpool where there are so many homeless and alot not through choice. There is not enough housing to go around.

i think some of you should watch the new red cross advert then maybe you'd get an insight of what an asylum seeker is!

jojo I know that no one on this thread has denied for genuine asylum seekers to come and live over here in peace.

I would hazard a guess that most asylum seekers come here having heard about Britain's great history of tolorance and I'm not being facetious, I'm being honest.

Having travelled through Europe I can confirm that I would not want to live in any other part of it than Britain.

BTW, tallulah, I don't think many minorities 'blame' White people for their ills. They just want to be treated on equal terms, which most of us are .

what is genuine? what would you say is genuine? you may not think some cases are but until you've lived through them you cant say! a petty reason or so my collegues thought 'if i go home i'll have nowhere to go' was one reason i heard from an iraqi man i worked on a case with at social services reason being because 'british' and 'american' soldiers had questioned this man and he had people trying to kill him for breaking a code of silence which if he didn't do he would have died either way! He's unemployed getting 18.74 a week and food stamps and not doing much for society so should we send him home?!

what i hear is alot of 'not on our doorstep' attitudes!

'anywhere but here' right?!

As I have said I am no expert on who to let in or not. That is not my job. But I would say IMO that living in fear, threat and oppression makes a person genuine.No human being should have to live like this.

jojo who has said not on my doorstep, I must of missed that line.

Err, I get leered at by groups of West Country young farmers - I don't think 'leering' pertains only to asylum seekers tallulah...don't be silly.

let me just give you a few quotes

1. beetroot 'iraqi's coming over here while our boys are fighting and dying' erm...yeah like they asked them to invade their country and bomb their homes! i think that was your Tony 'bigman' Blair
2. oliveoil 'londonistan' wouldnt know try to stay away from the place!' why?! scared that you might learn a thing or two about cultural diversity. being a londoner i truely dont think you'd fit in anyway oliveoil so please do stay away! 3.erm yourself Doormat 'the government should look after its own' but if the GOVERNMENT put people in positions where they cant help themselves they should give them the means to better themselves,right?! and looking after its own first!LOL well i had a position going for volunteers for the BHF which included accomodation,meals and 15.50 a week advertised in a homeless shelter which slept around 27 people a night! wanna know how many calls i got?! 2! one from a young irish boy (is he a asylum seeker?!) and one from an elderly black woman so even though the government try to look after their own do their own want the help?!
3. whymummy 'they're nothing but parasites,should be sent back to their own countries' did you ask why they were here? maybe you should go to romania for your holidays! 5.Tallulah 'i have no objection to people coming to this country...however' LOL! thats what i was waiting for!

need i go on?! so when you ask who actually said not on my doorstep well....its kind of a vibe i get!
Donnie i whole heartedly agree with everything you've said! i bow to you! maybe they should send me back home to work in the cotton fields

jojo, I agree with you, but it wasn't beetroot in your first point, it was Boe...just wanted to say that!!

Oh I see what you saw jojo, beetroot had that in her post as it was a direct quote from what Boe wrote in an earlier post.