MN Little Italy 19

[Francasaysrelax]

Hello, welcome, benvenuti

Yes SG truly anything goes in the early days, sounds like you have your priorities sorted. Cuddles deifinitey no.1 priority!

I'm off too, notte.

god, I really hate this media circus around the knox/sollecito, whatever the verdict, can't believe it's the first item on the national news here and they barely mention sollecito and meredith

I've been getting really angry on the Meredith thread. FFS- it's not like Italy is some banana republic with some dictator deciding that just because a girl is a foreign slapper who wears nice cardis she's guilty. (well, I know, in some Berlusca driven things, it is a bit like that, I bet he fancies her as well) but YKWIM?

Anyhoo, verdict is in, so hopefully at least nasty serial killer smile will be wiped off their faces for a bit.

Oh yes, gazillions of maternity pads, was getting through 2 packs a day at times. And hoooge pants.

I've just had a lurk on that thread Buch-tis very annoying! It's the usual deep routed assumption with certain people that foreigners cant't possibly have as a refined and just system of justice as the English speaking world. Also that those nasty furriners are ready to pounce on any unsuspecting English speaking non natives and fit them up for the purpose of satisfying their corrupt idea of justice. Which of course would never happen in the UK (ahem Guildford 4, B'ham Six.............)
SG I found the disposable knickers I had weren't big enough to feel comfortable-perhaps I found crappy ones. I got some cheap primark type knickers which could throw away. I wanted something big and ugly to hold in the brick of a maternity pad I had. Actually for the first few days when I was still in hospital the nuns gave me particularly hideous nappy things to wear . God there is no dignity in childbirth is there!
Sun is shining, is a beautiful day but I have a hangover and all I want to do is curl up on the couch. I should move my arse and go down to Piazza Navona for Xmas market shouldn't I- I'll regret it next week when am back for a few weeks in the dank miserable North West.

When do you leave Gio? We are off on the 18th. School meeting last night and dd is fine, "da il massimo" is a "peperina" (lol- that's my girl)

lol at peperina. We go on Friday 11th until the 30th. Me and ds first then dp joining us the the Christmas week. How long are you staying for Buch?

Oh, meant to say re the asilo- I haven't seen the video (and don't want to) but did anyone see the documentary in the UK nursery a year or so back? They put a girl in undercover as a nursery worker with a hidden camera- it was awful. I don't get how the parents don't sense this sort of thing is happening. I mean, there is a nursery next to the posh private school I work at in the summer in the UK and I can see,just walking past, that it's awful- the staff all look about 17, tattoos, piercings, on their mobiles having a fag in the "garden" while the children play. Sometimes you can hear them shouting at the kids. And I bet the parents are paying a fortune. It's a city centre nursery and most of the cars that pull up are professionals, obviously about to leave the children all day.

I have to say, I think I was very very lucky over here. and continue to be so with the maestra who is lovely. She was saying last night that some of her colleagues maintain discipline by being strict and terrorising the children but she doesn't agree with that. Speaking to a friend this morning, she was saying that her maestra said her daughter was "sufficiente" but "non bravissima" while ours didn't say anything like that, just that each child was working to the best of their ability and each one would get to the right place at the right time.

I'm feeling very magnanimous, can you tell!!!

Dd and I leave on 18th, then dp joins us the23rd/24th, haven't booked his flight yet. Staying till 6th Jan (last possible minute for rientro!) Cannot wait. Am listening to Terry Wogan and the lovely Christmas songs and my ebay parcel of blank cards just arrived for dd and I to make cards this weekend!

Better shut up about Christmas, I saw Franca being very bah humbug! on another thread!!!

what show are you listening to Buch-is Terry doing a Xmas special? Am also feeling very christmassy now. Now am feeling livlier think this pm will be Piazza Navona (hope the market has started), roast chestnuts and a few presents). Just stuffed face with pandoro as well.
Asilo story just awful. Vile horrible people.
Your maestra sounds lovely. Must admit am happier with mine now, is still quite old school but is very cuddly with them and ds seems to love her.

Grrr, getting madder on Knox thread now. Will go and mop floors to calm down.

I'm listening to Terry's prog of yesterday. Uptown Girl at the mo' and we've just had the Osmonds! Lovely!

yes, I saw you on that thread! had to sit on my hands, because I'm obviously a forrin' so i'm biased. As much as I think Italy isn't the best country in the world in many aspects,the way it's been portrayed it's unbelievable, especially on the US media....

I remember that doc, horrendous. all the nurseries I visited had a majority of young girls working, and the first we tried was appalling (I did the first settling in day and the things I saw, I mean, if they couldn't be bothered changing pooey nappies and wiping snotty noses with me there, god knows.... the kids were stripped to their vests for lunch, which I thought actually wasn't a bad idea, but then left the big french door open - in febreuary). the one ds went too was lovely, but I saw 2 girls getting very angry at two crying babies, though these girls I think were just on work experience or s.thing as only saw them a couple of times. But after that doc, DP said til dd goes to school, we're doing all the childcare. I feel sorry for her in a way cos I think asilo was great for me (even if I cried all the first year)

I've gone and said now that he looks like a serial killer.

I'm going under the parapet before the righteous and the wronged come and get me.

Hi all,

I haven't dared (yet) going on the Knox thread, as I know there's going to be awful comment about Italy. Which I agree is a country with many faults... still... there is always this sense of righteous superiority colonialist complex that makes me a bit angry. I was very shocked by some comments on the Portuguese police, very xenophobic
Anyway, I'll go and have a look...

Hello Gio, at the market in Piazza Navona. And so happy to hear your ds loves going to materna now

Bucharest: well done your peperina!!!

And , no, I'm not that bah humbug about Christmas... I love Christmas trees and spending time with family, and if it snows I'm even happier . However, I am a bit of some uber organized threads, which usually start in september!

SG: buy some cheap knickers (possibly black) at the market for the first few days, I think disposable knickers don't hold the pads very well.
I really recommend presteril, they are great, especially if you have stitches

Camo, come on lets go and post on the knox hread!

Please do, I feel like the boy with his finger in the hole holding back the tide. The latest is the police are all rural oiks with straw in their ears.

Goodmorning, sorry I was taking a break plus busy with life.

I have gone into the Knox/sollecito thread and got so pissed off after only reading 5 mosts .
I am supposed to do so many things and I am so tempted to sit and read it all. Why oh why!

Maybe later.

Glad you are all all right by the way. I'll come back later when I've organised mysef.

I was just asking dp what Pincopallino meant lol.
Laters, am off to buy cribs and angels for presepe.

Buch this you said "What I do think is this, there are so many loopholes and sleb lawyers who whore themselves around the most sensational newsworthy, high profile cases and these lawyers are the same ones who have been recruited by Sollecito's family in primis, and Knox's in second place, if there had been a way of getting them off reaching a not guilty verdict, it would have been done, and it would have been done quickly. The fact that it hasn't, to me, says it couldn't." is so true.

Two of my best friends are super duper lawyer, one of them tried to get the case, and I have been explained the inns and outs of some quite big cases and it's shocking how everything works tbh.

I would not be pushing my dds to be criminal lawyers, let's put it this way.

Basta must go now.

lol, I had vision of PPallino dd1 and Mnulty ds1 as criminal lawyers....they would be so dopey.... ds would immediately lose his pencil lol

Am I wrong or is there maybe somebody on the Knock thread who is maybe involved with the families concerned? Boh...

Non credo.

There was someone on MN who knew the Kercher family, but can't remember who.

I was all geared up to post on it, mainly agreeing with you Buch and to give my impression on the difference of reporting the case here and in italy, but I see the thread has degenerated in a gossip/fight between guilty and not-guilty believers, and I haven't got the time, must be a good hostess to friends now so I might be back tomorrow night (having a TT night with bf )

buon weekend!

Camo, have a lovely time !

Masseuse, good post on the other thread. I doubt that many people know about the US responsibilities in many Italian misteries. Ustica springs to mind

Had a lovely time, thanks franca. pity DD decided she didn't want to sleep by the time we went to bed (3am) and that DS woke us up with "can you clean my bumbum" at 4 and then again at 8!!!

friends left just before lunchtime and I've just managed to drag myself off the sofa after 2 glasses of wine at lunch knock me out

funny franca, I was just thinking yesterday that if as some suggested there was something against america, then they should really look up ustica. don't have the time to get drawn into that thread now, so I better avoid it. maybe later...

Thank you for all the advice, which I shall heed.

Knox/Sollecito thread sounds one to avoid...

Not particularly great weekend in the SG household: DH had cold since Wednesday, which got a lot worse today, now has temperature, headache, has thrown up (twice) and is almost lethargic. Thankfully temperature is not too high, so I have just made up the spare room and settled him in there. Now we just have to pray he is better tomorrow morning and I have not caught it.

Feel a bit guilty because when we were out this afternoon he did say he was feeling worse, but I just "parked" him in a v comfortable armchair in the dept store in which we were and went off to buy his Christmas presents. But then the queue for getting stuff wrapped was quite long and it must have been a good 20 mins before I was back. And am now doubtful I got the right present too...

This week we are supposed to be starting the NCT course, with classes tomorrow, Wed, Friday and Sat, so wondering whether he'll be able to come or not. Also a bit annoyed (probably unreasonably so) that the supposedly local NCT group is 45 minutes away by public transport. If the other course-takers are local to the course I shall never see them... To be fair one could drive, and then it would be about 10-15 mins, but my driving is awful and cannot park, so not really an option in practice. My own fault for never learning to drive properly, of course, but still annoyed at the fact that the course that we are doing purely to build a social network is such a long way away...

Sorry for the rant. Off to check on DH and then to bed. Tomorrow suddenly rather busier than expected...

Anybody help here with cloth nappies?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/living_overseas/874041-Terry-nappy-squares-in-Italy

Hi,
Camo, glad to hear you had a lovely time with your friend

SG, oh dear. Poor dh. How is he feeling today?