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threeangels · 19/03/2003 15:58

I know war has been a lot more on many minds lately. I found this sight and wanted to share it with anyone who is interested.

I also want to say that any mumsnetters who have any family members going to war along with everyone else in the world will be in my thoughts and prayers.

Are We Nearing the End Times?
Did you know all the signs Jesus said would signify His second coming are occurring in our time?
The Rev. Billy Graham, Pope John Paul II and numerous Orthodox Jewish rabbis have all said they believe that the coming of the Messiah is very near. Why? Because so many Bible prophecies are being fulfilled.

When Jesus' disciples asked what would signal His return, He gave them several signs to watch for. He also taught that the time immediately before His coming would be known as the "beginning of sorrows" (Matt. 24:8), which in English means the "onset of labor pains."

Jesus was saying the signs of His coming would start out as mild pangs spaced widely apart like human labor and then gradually become closer together and more intense, like the birth process, until this seven-year period of suffering and judgment would culminate in the coming of the Messiah.

The Signs
Consider the signs that Jesus said would be the prelude to His return and notice how they've begun to occur in our time:

False Christs The past few decades have witnessed a huge upsurge in charismatic leaders claiming to be Christ or the Jewish Messiah, including the Moonies' Rev. Sun Moon, the Buddhist Dalai Lama, the Hindu Krishnamurti, and the Bahais' Baha Ullah, to name a few. Collectively, their followers number in the u millions. . Jesus replied to them, "See that none misleads you; for many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many." Matt. 24:4,5
War War in the original Greek of Matthew 24 is ethnos, meaning ethnic or racial war. A recent editorial in Time magazine reported there are presently 67 wars being fought around the planet and most of them are ethnic wars, including the recent slaughter in Rwanda and Bosnia. According to the National Defense Council Foundation, conflicts around the globe have doubled since 1989. "... you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars..." Matt. 24:6,7
Famine The LA Times reported recently that more than one billion people suffer from serious malnutrition, exacerbated in the past months by worldwide drought. More than 35 million people living mostly in the southern states of Africa suffer from acute hunger and are threatened with imminent death. "There will be famines..." Matt. 24:7.
Pestilence The rate of infectious diseases has increased 58% since 1980, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Diseases once considered conquered are now reappearing, sometimes in drug-resistant forms. AIDS has become a worldwide scourge, and viral diseases such as Ebola pose an international threat because of transcontinental flight. "There will be pestilences." Matt. 24:7.
Earthquakes The number of dangerous earthquakes measuring 6.0 or greater on the Richter scale has been steadily increasing since the 1950s when there were nine. In the 1960s, there were 13. In the 1970s, 51. In the 1980s, 86. In the 1990s more than100 such serious earthquakes have already been recorded, according to the LA Herald Examiner. "There will be...earthquakes in various places." Matt. 24:7.
The Seas and Waves Roaring The Associated Press reports that the most recently completed Atlantic hurricane season produced 11 hurricanes, 8 tropical storms, and $7.7 billion in damage. Serious flooding has also occurred recently in the U.S., Russia, Japan, Mexico, China, Europe, Korea, and the United Kingdom, according to Barron's. "There will be bewilderment at the roaring of the sea and waves." Luke 21:25.
Great Signs in the Heavens The 1994 comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, a string of 21 space rocks that slammed into Jupiter with the power of thousands of nuclear explosions, could be a heavenly sign. Jupiter is the mythological king of the planets and in Christian symbolism it is a representation of Christ. The 21 explosions are reminiscent of the 21 judgments that will befall Earth during the seven-year period that ushers in the coming of the Messiah, according to the Book of Revelation. The comet Hyakutake has recently lit up the night sky, and what promises to be the spectacular comet Hale-Bopp, first sighted in 1995, is scheduled to come nearest to our sun in the spring of 1997. "Great signs shall there be from heaven." Luke 21:11.
Violence Since 1960 violent crime has increased in the U.S. by 560%, according to FBI statistics, and the number of reported cases of child abuse in the U.S. has risen from 670,000 in 1976 to nearly 3 million in the 1990s. Other nations are experiencing similar dramatic increases in violent crime, reports the San Francisco Chronicle. "...as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mt. 24:37. ("And God said unto Noah, '...the earth is filled with violence...'" Gen. 6:13.)
Gospel Preached to the Whole World Pope John Paul II has traveled to 70-plus nations during his pontificate, preaching the gospel to millions. The Rev. Billy Graham recently conducted a week-long crusade from Costa Rica translated into every language on the planet and broadcast via satellite around the globe. With Communism's collapse, Christian radio and TV are now reaching into almost every nook and cranny of planet Earth. "...and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached to the whole world and then the end shall come." Mt. 24:14.
All of the signs that Jesus said would precede His return seem to be occurring in our time.

Other Prophecies Fulfilled
Other prophecies relating to this seven-year period of judgment, coming from many parts of the Bible, have also begun to be fulfilled:

Israel reborn as a nation in 1948 (Ezek. 4:3-6, Lev. 26:18)
Israel surrounded by hostile Arab countries (Psalm 83:4-8)
Jerusalem inhabited by the Jews (Luke 21:24)
Israel negotiates a peace treaty with her enemies (Daniel 9:27)
Doomsday weapons threaten earth (Joel 2:3)
Ecological devastation occurs (Rev. 11:18)
The Roman Empire revives as the European Union (Daniel 2:40-44)
Heresies become widespread (II Thess. 2:3)
Russia rises as a military power (Ezek. 38:1-12)
A hole in the ozone layer develops (Rev. 16:8.9)
TV communications are global (Revelation 11:9,10)
Satanic and cultic activity arises (I Tim. 4:1)
Sub-dermal microchips for identification purposes proposed by the U.S. military (Rev. 13:16,17)
Massive increases in wealth occur (Jas. 5:3)
GATT and World Trade Organization become possible forerunners of a world government (Rev. 13:7)
Asia possesses resources for a 200-million-man army (Rev. 9:14-16)
The Euphrates River can be dried up (Rev. 16:12-v 14) and a military highway linking Asia to the Middle East is being completed (Rev. 9:14)
Knowledge vastly increases (Dan. 12:4)
Russian and Ethiopian Jews return to Israel (Jer. 23:7,8; Zeph. 3:10)
The Hebrew language is recovered (Zeph. 3:9)
Jerusalem is rebuilt in nine specific directions (Jer. 31:38-40)
Levites and priests train for Temple service (Ezek. 43:14,15)
Israel's rainfall increases dramatically (Joel 2:23) and the country becomes fertile and blossoms (Isa. 27:6)
Men become more selfish, arrogant, abusive, ungrateful, fierce and treacherous (II Tim. 3:2,3)
Where We Fit In
Referring to these signs, Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." (Luke 21:24-28).

If we are approaching that seven-year period that precedes the second coming of Christ - and all the signs indicate we are - the Bible tells us those years of judgment upon the earth will be accompanied by untold human suffering.

But believers in Christ who have sincerely placed their trust in Him can be certain of the redemption to which Jesus referred, for He promised His followers that "God has not destined us for wrath but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9).

So where does that leave you? Are you one of God's children who's been called to believe in His Son but has rejected each invitation? Where are you going to spend the seven years of God's wrath? And the rest of eternity?

Jesus told us that "God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John. 3:16). But He went on to say that "...he who does not believe is already condemned because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God" (John. 3:18).

Is it too late for you to find salvation?
Not yet. God designed an "escape hatch" for us by offering His only Son to die a miserable death on a cross so that our sins could be blotted out in our Creator's sight and we could be reconciled to Him.

All we have to do is accept His Son as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. By doing this our loving Father promised that, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor heart imagined the wonderful things God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor. 2:9).

Would you like to receive those "wonderful things" in the everlasting life Christ promised His followers? Do you want to know how to accept God's Son? It's simple. All you have to do is sincerely pray this prayer: "Lord Jesus, I know I'm a sinner and need Your forgiveness. I believe that you died for my sins and I want to turn away from my wrongdoing. Right now I'm inviting you to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You, making You my Lord and Savior. Amen."

What Next?
If you prayed this and meant it, you need to start talking to God through prayer, reading the Scriptures daily to get to know God better, and find a church where Christians like you worship Christ and where the good news of the Bible is being preached.

Remember, you are now Christ's representative to a needy world that appears to be embarking upon the period of unimaginable suffering that precedes Christ's second coming. You can help lead others to the Truth you've discovered and enable them to avoid the agony to come. Don't put this off. Today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow may be too late. God bless you on your journey.

If you would like to pursue a more in-depth study of Bible prophecy, books by Hal Lindsey, Grant Jeffrey, Jack Van Impe, Peter LaLonde, and John Walvoord among others are available at most Christian bookstores.

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threeangels · 19/03/2003 16:00

Sorry, didnt know it would look so long. I read it and it just made me think about life more these day.

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Tillysmummy · 19/03/2003 16:02

That sends shivers down my spine threeangels

kaz33 · 19/03/2003 16:06

Does that count as advertising ?

Sorry, I certainly feel for any families that have loved ones in the gulf and my thoughts go out to them.

Yours agnositically

threeangels · 19/03/2003 16:10

Sorry, hope my post didnt sound like it. Just something in my heart.

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kaz33 · 19/03/2003 16:12

No it didn't - more a tongue in cheek comment and apologies for being frivlious. One of my faults.

Jimjams · 19/03/2003 16:13

Is the Dalai Lama a false Christ? I rather like buddhism myself.

Have to say I feel a bit funny about too much religion on mumsnet.

I too feel for anyone with family in the Gulf. This is the first conflict that we haven't had any family involved, but I do remember how worrying it is.

Your agnostically as well but in tolerance of all religions.......

bundle · 19/03/2003 16:15

I feel a lot for the troops in the gulf & for Iraqis waiting for hostilities to begin. but threeangels, I think this stuff is yuk, you can twist words to make them 'mean' just about anything. I agree with kaz33, it's advertising of the worst kind.
this is just a personal opinion, regardless of my own religious background. sorry for being so blunt.

threeangels · 19/03/2003 16:22

Not a problem Kaz33.

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GeorginaA · 19/03/2003 16:54

Heh, I'm no longer a christian but everytime I see things like this I always think back to the bit in the bible when it talks about the end days arriving like a thief in the night - no-one will know when they arrive. Honestly, the amount of times we've got through "the end of the world" unscathed...

Don't mean to trivialise sincerely held beliefs or the anxiety that war brings though.

Bozza · 19/03/2003 16:56

Yes that crossed my mind too GeorginaA.

Jimjams · 19/03/2003 17:05

Know you mention it I do distinctly remember being told that the world would end in the 80's or 90's and that all the signs were there. I was fairly scared about it as a 12 year old.

I definitely prefer buddhism. Last time I met with some buddhist priests I was invited to have a feast - with rather a lot of beer- in front of their altar. I found living in a non-christian country quite eye opening. Always refreshing to see someone else's viewpoint.

Not anti religion, but a bit suspicious of religious fervour (sp??) of any type.

Clarinet60 · 19/03/2003 17:15

I read through them carefully, but most can be discounted. For instance, there have always been nutty false prophets. Imagine how many infectious diseases there were before antibiotics. There have always been famines. In the stone age it would have been commonplace. (Not that that's any excuse for inaction). The earthquakes, etc have increased, but not to the extent they were in prehistoric times.
Some of our more fundamentalist christian friends have been gazing at us strangely and fondly of late, as though they are watching the last days being played out. This extremely creepy behaviour has been triggered by a book depicting the days before armaggeddon, all linked in with current world events. Not to knock christians - I've dabbled myself from time to time, but quite honestly, when it comes to armageddon, I'm with Def Leppard.

But thanks for an interesting & thought provoking post, threeangels.

Tinker · 19/03/2003 19:29

TV communications are global (Revelation 11:9,10)????????????????????

susanmt · 19/03/2003 20:03

I am a Christian, but I firmly beleive what Jesus himself said 'The Son of Man will come at a time when you do not expect Him' Luke12:40.
I don't think that the world will end when anyone is expecting it. That would be too predictable!

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threeangels · 19/03/2003 21:53

Hi Susanmt - You are absolutely right that christian are not meant to know the hour or the min when Christ will return for his children. What I meant from my post was that this could be the beginning to the end times. I'm simply saying that christ could come any moment or 1000 yrs from now. I feel as a christian (obviously for those who beleive) that I myself want to live as if he were coming tomorrow. I mean this as in serving him. I think my original post came off a little different from what I actually meant.

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kaz33 · 19/03/2003 22:05

Threeangels - you are very brave to post your convictions.

We all should, believers and non believers, live our lives with an understanding of the consquences of our actions and a desire to do right by others.

That is my position on faith - though whether it has anything to do with what is intrinsically right or just sound commonsense in a world peopled by so many other people is a whole other philosophical question.

Strangely enough I have always thought that life would be a lot easier if I had faith, no chance of that though unless I have my own revelation on the road to Damascus !!

On another related theme - faith schools seem to have taken over in Blairs Britain. If I wanted to run a school that only took the children of agnostics and aethiests would that be discriminatory ?

Haven't had a good religious spat for ages.

threeangels · 19/03/2003 22:13

Hi Kaz33 - I'm not sure if I totally understand your staement about the faith schools and the discrimination. Sorry for being brain dead. You statement is clear as day but I'm just not absorbing it correctly. Could you explain again?

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Rhubarb · 19/03/2003 22:39

ThreeAngels - I'm a Christian too, but am sceptical about all this predicting the end malarky. All the Bible quotes were churned out during the last Gulf War, and during the Cold War with Russia. The Jehovah's Witnesses have been predicting the end for years now and keep changing their minds as to when it's going to be. They have now decided to be more general and just refer to this time as 'The Last Days'. I too believe that no-one will predict the time and the hour. Yes Jesus said that all these things will come to pass, but the end still could be a long way off yet. After all isn't one day in Heaven a thousand years down on Earth?
I guess it just goes to show though how accurate the Bible is.

Clarinet60 · 19/03/2003 22:41

I have a feeling it's a long way off. Just a gut feeling.

Inthecloset · 19/03/2003 23:47

Personally I would rather not talk about my religion here, I feel it is not the time nor the place but after reading this I feel I must post this link. Here .

threeangels · 20/03/2003 02:45

Rhubarb - Agree with you and I have said many times myself no one knows the exact time when Christ will return but I know this world is getting worse and won't be getting any better. It's been going down hill since the beginning of time. I expect many more horrible things to come before Christ comes back. I'm sure youll agree we christians should try and bring others to Christ before it is too late. You just never know. Sorry I just have a strong passion for this in my life. I come from a family and a church who other then our families base our lives on winning souls over. I guess this is why I tend to bring up this type of issue every now and then. Don't like to cause any negative feelings with anyone though.

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Copper · 20/03/2003 09:36

threeangels
why do you think the world has been getting worse since the beginning of time?

Janeway · 20/03/2003 09:47

I have no problem with strong feelings being expressed on mumsnet irrespective of subject (we do broach to GF issue quite boldly) and am upset that people feel that they can not speak their mind (or need to be in disguise to do so) for fear of recrimination - we went through a very strange period last summer with people leaving for having their opinions slammed and I'm seeing similar casualties recently (mum2toby) and hope this will stop. As I see it, mumsnet is here to allow us access to information & to adult conversations - the only restriction should be that intollerance of another's opinion should not be allowed.

In this vein my only objection to Threeangles original post is the reference to other religeons holy figures as false christs.

Yours aetheistically, Janeway

Croppy · 20/03/2003 10:26

Janeway, as a mumsnet contributor for 3 years, the main reason I like this site is for the strong opinions people hold. Generally this doesn't casue problems as debates are maintained with civility. IMO, problems obly arise when people start to use emotive and sensationalist language, indulge in sweeping generalisations AND START SHOUTING!!!!.

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