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mediterraneo · 27/05/2007 20:38

buonasera!

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francagoestohollywood · 06/07/2007 09:50

welliemum: what kind of genre do you like? I think you should go for some "classics" written after ww2, like for instance Giorgio Bassani "Il giardino dei Finzi Contini" ? something with clear, but elegant Italian. Or would you like something a bit more "contemporary"
we need ELLBELL!
Califrau, stop being lazy and get yourself to San Francisco . I saw one Italian deli near the famous bookshop (the ferlinghetti one, what its name), they had pecorino in the window

Rosa · 06/07/2007 21:13

When I was in Oz and US I rather liked Kraft cheese slices..Tasted nothing like cheese and was / is dissapointed that the cheese slices tasted a more like cheese in Europe.
I dont buy them by the way any more as fresh parmesan, mozzarella,are far more to my liking...
Lovely day today sun , no wind what was that about no summer think we have just had it !

francagoestohollywood · 06/07/2007 22:22

yes, much better today rosa. I have to go bake the cake now!

welliemum · 07/07/2007 03:17

at Cheeseheads - Wisconsin is evidently an irony-free zone.

Franca, I read anything and everything really. The Bassani book sounds perfect. I'm very rusty though. I have a copy of Eco's "Il Pendolo di Foucault" and I took it down the other day and started to read, but it just makes my brain hurt - I'm reading it so slowly that I can't make any sense of it.

I also have one of the "Piccolo Mondo" books by - what's his name - don't want to disturb dd2 by going to see. That's an OK level for me.

Have read Primo Levi in the past, "Se questo e' un uomo" being my favourite.

Just to give you an idea - all book suggestions welcome!

francagoestohollywood · 07/07/2007 19:14

Welliemum, Umberto Eco would make my brain hurt as well, his Italian is quite "complesso". We have to think about something with a "clearer" structure.
I'd go for:
Giorgio Basani "il giardino dei finzi-contini"
Carlo Cassola ; "la ragazza di bube".
I really liked Niccolo' Ammanniti "Io non ho paura"
and what about gialli? try google carlo lucarelli and see what you think (many of his books are set in bologna).
Me, med and pippi are also big fan of Natalia Ginzburg. I think she writes fantastic, "dry" Italian. she uses short sencences as well. Her most famous book is "Lessico familiare", it's the story of her family, set in Torino before and during the war.

Rosa · 07/07/2007 19:35

How was the cake and party ??? I am so glad it stayed nice for you all auguri to little franca or its franco as its ds !!!!

francagoestohollywood · 08/07/2007 01:05

. Thank goodness it was a lovely day here in Exeter. We had I think 25 children... lets say it was pretty intense!!! Thankfully some friends helped us out. The cake was a complete debacle, I baked yesterday night and it was awful, so today I made a trip to M&S... . But I made lots of choc chip cookies... it's a franco. Did you go to the beach today rosa? can't believe how beautiful the weather was here today! (we also had 8 friends around tonight... it's either all or nothing in the franca household)

Califrau · 08/07/2007 01:06

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francagoestohollywood · 08/07/2007 01:10

oh wow, that's amazing califrau!!!
your boys are adorable

Ellbell · 08/07/2007 01:27

Tanti auguri a franca's and Cali's bimbi. Agree with franca that your boys are gorgeous Cali!

Welliemum... I agree with all franca's suggestions. Definitely Ginzburg. I also recommend Carlo Lucarelli (we use him for getting people started on reading in Italian). His first three novels (Carta bianca, L'estate torbida, Via delle Oche) are set at the very end of WWII and share a protagonist (Commissario De Luca). He has also written more contemporary detective novels set in Bologna (including 'Almost Blue') and also various 'true crime' books (and he had a series on Italian TV). I am also a big big fan of Primo Levi. I'd recommend Se questo e' un uomo and La tregua and also, perhaps, Se non ora, quando? La chiave a stella is a bit harder I think. (My torinese friend claims that you have to be from Turin to understand it, but I do think it's comprehensible, even to a foreigner like myself, but it is more challenging.) The other thing I really like of Levi are his short stories (published individually as Storie naturali, Vizio di forma and Lilit e altri racconti; but also by Einaudi in a collected volume as 'Racconti'). They are sometimes described as 'science fiction', but that's really misleading... they are sometimes set in the near future, but they are more of an ironic look at our present (or, at least, his present - they date from the late 60s and 70s) - world. Otherwise... I dunno... I'm not a great fan of Silone (Fontamara, Vino e pane), but people do find him not too difficult. You could also try some Pavese (Paesi tuoi, La luna e i falo', La casa in collina - all of these are about the Fascist period and WWII again). Oh, and another good one to look at would be Stefano Benni (Il bar sotto il mare is a collection of short stories linked by a common thread insofar as they are all told by the clientele of the eponymous bar sotto il mare). I will keep thinking for you....

Must go to bed now... I am trying to write a conference paper (for Monday... aaaaaargh!).

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francagoestohollywood · 08/07/2007 10:09

I second Stefano Benni, I loved Il bar sotto il mare, although I think the structure might be a bit more complex? Can't remember now, I'll go and have a look.
I was hooked on Lucarelli Tv series about true crimes. The first series were shown very late at night on rai2 or rai3, now I'm having a bout of nostalgia!

Ellbell · 08/07/2007 20:49

I think they have been published as 'Misteri d'Italia', franca. I'll check for you. (I met Lucarelli... I went to a crime-writing convention in Harrogate to hear him talk about 'crime-writing in translation' and got him to sign a copy of 'Almost Blue' for me (unfortunately I had to buy it in English as that's all they were selling at the convention!). He seems nice. We also had Marcello Fois here in the department the other day. He was lovely, though I haven't read any of his novels...! I should do so, I suppose.

Ellbell · 08/07/2007 20:49
francagoestohollywood · 08/07/2007 21:06

ce l'ho misteri d'italia 1 e 2 .
Ellbell, don't panic, everything is going to be allright... breath breath................... (I've always been a last minute kind of person..... I know the feeling.....)

francagoestohollywood · 08/07/2007 21:06

what's the conference on?

Ellbell · 08/07/2007 21:10

It's a general Medieval Studies conference (very big). I have a poncey title involving a Latin quotation, which seemed like a good idea at the time, but now doesn't really match with what I want to say, so I'm hoping no-one will ask me what the hell my title has to do with anything...!!!

Right... really AM going to do it now....

A presto....

francagoestohollywood · 08/07/2007 21:30

ciao0, let us know how it went . Ah, Latin quotations...

Ellbell · 08/07/2007 22:17

And I have ing well forgotten to bring home a translation of the ing De vulgari eloquentia, so I am having to translate my quotations myself. Aaaaargh.... [head-exploding emoticon]!

I will post tomorrow or the day after (have people staying tomorrow, post-conference, so may not get to computer) to tell you how it goes!

mediterraneo · 09/07/2007 10:34

Good luck ellbell.
Can't manage to mumsnet much since back from holidays. In fact i spend my time thinking of going on holiday.
Anybody know where in Italy it will be warmish at beg of April?
Summer seems to have returned to london. Brilliant.

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francagoestohollywood · 09/07/2007 13:12

med!!!! ciao.
Beginning of April... you know what they say, Aprile non ti scoprire . Sicily could be quite safe (although you never know...) this seems like a good giro... (friends of mine told me that la riserva di vindicari is really good).

mediterraneo · 09/07/2007 14:52

Stavo pensando alle vacanze di Pasqua dell'anno prossimo......voglia di mare....

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francagoestohollywood · 09/07/2007 15:12

Lampedusa?
Pantelleria?
San Vito Lo Capo?

mediterraneo · 10/07/2007 10:03

oppure la puglia? Vorremo andare in Campeggio.... My ds keeps talking about returning to Italy..

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francagoestohollywood · 10/07/2007 10:17

I don't know puglia that well. I went to Otranto once (rented flat) and there are really nice big beaches near the town with what seemed really nice camping sites (nella pineta). Anyway, we'll spend a week of our holiday with some friends who'll be going to a camping side in Puglia (prima di incontrarsi con noi, that is), I'll let you know all the details when back!
Yes, ds keeps saying he wants to go to Italy as well. He says he needs caldo. Dh and I have been talking about the possibilities of going back for good. I'd verey much like to do so, but I'm very concerned about work, and changing the children's routines etc. Dh is more determined, but ds says he can't possibly leave his bet friend at school... it is all quite complicated.

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