Would I be a terrible woman if i advise my DD's to act in a way so they are less likely to be assaulted.

[Rubytuesdayy]

With respect to lit streets, chaste clothes, state of drunkenness etc etc? Or would I be victim blaming prior to teh event. I KNOW that rape is the fault of the rapists, but I just want my DD's to be safe.

Bumbley. Your posts do not follow logical argument.

Agreeing with the op is exactly saying that you think you are increasing your risks of rape by what you wear, getting drunk etc. How could it not? You've spent the whole thread arguing that the 'safety advice' in the op should be followed because it may prevent 'a specific type of rape'.

Please do say now if you mis-typed and meant to say you didn't agree with the op? Or perhaps you meant to say 'I agree with you op, but not about the chaste clothing'. ??

I'm talking about the op not the title

Bumbley, do you agree with the following:

Women should wear chaste clothing, not get drunk, and stay on well-lit streets because they are reducing their risk of 'stranger' rape - ie that very small percentage of rapes that happen when a rapist jumps out on a victim in a dark alley (or similar)?

Because if you are - and I believe that's what you have argued throughout this and other threads, then you are saying that what a woman wears contributes to her risk of being raped.

Any comments on greythorne's link Bumbley - getting back onto topic rather than nit-picking at semantics and logical argument?

You're back tracking running you accused me of saying that a woman is raped because of what she is wearing. You realised that you were wrong but instead of admitting it you're now trying to change it. You could have just admitted you had made a mistake and we'd have moved on. I'm not sure why you've decided to keep going.

Blackout. That really is clutching at straws it's fairly obvious that the title is part of the OP. It's not a complete sentence otherwise - but you know that already.

It's because I haven't made a mistake Bumbley.

It's quite obvious that you did. The lack of quote proves it even if you can't bring yourself to admit it.

Actually Bumbley, as you want to play 'picky picky' perhaps you could quote where I accused you of saying 'a woman is raped because of what she is wearing'

And it needs to be the exact words now

You seem to have a very short memory running. I'm not sure why you've decided to question the wording now - after arguing with me that I have said that for the last few pages but here is the conversation from last night that started all this:

Scrounginscum Fri 06-Jul-12 22:08:10
I am beginning to think some people are deliberately missing the point. Off course women have been raped while wearing skimpy clothes bumbly but the point is they weren't raped because of their clothes.

bumbleymummy Fri 06-Jul-12 23:06:32
Why did you direct that at me scrounge? I haven't said they were

Scrounginscum Fri 06-Jul-12 23:19:43
Because I was replying to your post bumbly. I posted saying clothing advice offered zero protection against rape to which you replied by asking me why I thought this did I think women were never raped in those circumstances. So I was replying to that post.

runningforthebusinheels Fri 06-Jul-12 23:26:46
Bumbley has indeed posted to that effect on this and other threads - but I think she may be modifying her opinions on that score.

bumbleymummy Fri 06-Jul-12 23:28:30
Scrounge, please tell me which post it was (time?)because afaiac I have not said that a woman was raped because of what she was wearing!
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bumbleymummy Fri 06-Jul-12 23:30:54
Running, where?
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runningforthebusinheels Fri 06-Jul-12 23:33:59
Bumbley, I don't want to re-open wounds, but we had a discussion earlier on the thread about high heels. You have since said you have changed your opinion on what women wear and whether they are raped.

So are you going to argue now that you weren't agreeing with scrounge's accusation? That you meant something else? That you don't agree with how I've worded it?

How I worded it at the time and for the last several pages of the thread?

Oh dear Bumbley, I know you've spent simply ages re-reading the thread - but in none of those quotes do I say those words.

And quoting other people's posts and attributing them to me is a bit dubious

Ok, so now you didn't agree with what scrounge said? So you agree that I didn't say that? Well we could have saved ourselves quite a few pages of discussion of that was the case. Why didn't you just say that you weren't accusing me of saying that a woman is raped for what she is wearing? I did ask you directly where I had said that several times. Plenty of opportunity for you to say 'oh, that's not what I'm accusing you of'. It doesn't really make sense for you to argue with me for pages about it if that was the case does it?

Why, Bumbley, don't you just state clearly whether you agree with the advice given to women about wearing chaste clothing to avoid assault?

I personally believe that this advice is bullshit. If you also think this - then we're in agreement, and perhaps you should refrain from sarky comments about wearing heels.

I'll just highlight what you posted in the middle of the above conversation in response to scrounger's accusation:

"*runningforthebusinheels Fri 06-Jul-12 23:26:46
Bumbley has indeed posted to that effect on this and other threads"

Sounds like agreement to me... And then there are all the direct questions I've asked you over the last few pages too... Running, it's very obvious that you are backtracking as fast as you can. It's really not making you look any better.

Actually, what I said in your quote of 23:26 - I stand by. I do think you've alluded to the chaste clothing aspect in this and other threads. I think this because of your sarky comments about heels.

You've never explained what you meant on 'clarifying' your opinion on the chaste clothes btw. What did you mean?

Maybe you should refrain from agreeing with people's false accusations for pages and pages and pages...

Bollocks - it wasn't a false accusation - how many people have to point out that you agreed with the op?

Sorry, Bumbley I stand by everything I've said on this thread. I would LOVE an answer to whether you agree with the statement at 00:48 though - because if you don't - I don't know what you've been arguing on this thread.

{I don't agree with it}

Read the thread running.

the OP did not say that women were raped because of what they were wearing.

Running, if you read my posts you will see what I've been arguing.

Oh well, there's always the 'read the thread' response when you've totally lost the argument isn't there Bumbley? Ha ha.

Why did you agree with the op then?

The op stated 3 things - well lit areas, chaste clothes and drunkenness. You agreed with her.